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The new Marantz AV8802 relacing the actual AV8801 has been announced, it's a 13.2 XLR processor, HDMI 2.0 ISF video and Wifi + Bluetooth integrated, with Audyssey MultEQ XT32 and an Audyssey Pro capacity. Indicated Public Price : 3800€... on the high side compared to the 8801 listed at @ 2800€.See details here :http://www.avcesar.com/actu/id-14423...e-lav8801.html (in French)





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Thanks Hugo!! This might be what I'm looking for!
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So the 8802 adds more height channels and HDMI 2.0 for $1000 more? No Dolby Atmos?
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So the 8802 adds more height channels and HDMI 2.0 for $1000 more? No Dolby Atmos?

As indicated in the original article, the Dolby Atmos capability if/when available (Q3 2014?), will be added (eventually) via FW, and probably same goes for the new DTS-UHD, or whatever name it will then have.

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As indicated in the original article, the Dolby Atmos capability if/when available (Q3 2014?), will be added (eventually) via FW, and probably same goes for the new DTS-UHD, or whatever name it will then have.

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No more network hub?
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I am happy to see that Marantz retained the phono inputs…

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No more network hub?

The 100Mb hub was kind of pointless.
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The 100Mb hub was kind of pointless.

That and it was on the wrong side of the copper shield tongue.gif

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oh lord, here we go. I have'nt even powered-up my 1.5 year-old AV8801 yet (seriously) smile.gif

One thing that I have'nt researched enough yet is HDMI v2.0 spec: are (new) HDMI cables required? I ask because I'm still finishing a theater room (using AV8801) and I've recently had an electrician route a 12M AudioQuest Forest HDMI cable through my ceiling. I'm concerned whether it will support HDMI v2.0? Otherwise I would just swap it out.

Update: I just confirmed the AudioQuest Forest HDMI cables do support HMDI v2.0
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oh lord, here we go. I have'nt even powered-up my 1.5 year-old AV8801 yet (seriously) smile.gif

One thing that I have'nt researched enough yet is HDMI v2.0 spec: are (new) HDMI cables required? I ask because I'm still finishing a theater room (using AV8801) and I've recently had an electrician route a 12M AudioQuest Forest HDMI cable through my ceiling. I'm concerned whether it will support HDMI v2.0? Otherwise I would just swap it out.

Update: I just confirmed the AudioQuest Forest HDMI cables do support HMDI v2.0

It's a matter of bandwidth, not pinout, so...

Passive cables which meet the HDMI High Speed specs are supposed to be OK. Unfortunately, my understanding is that cables longer than about 25ft have no official specs, so they can be hit-or-miss. Also, people have reported problems when using certified HighSpeed cables with HDMI v1.4, so I'm afraid you really can't know if it'll work without trying it. In other words, it might save some time if you actually test the cable's compatibility before pulling it.

Older active cables (the ones with built-in equalization circuitry, like Redmere) are unlikely to be compatible frown.gif
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Hi,

The new Marantz AV8802 relacing the actual AV8801 has been announced, it's a 13.2 XLR processor, HDMI 2.0 ISF video and Wifi + Bluetooth integrated, with Audyssey MultEQ XT32 and an Audyssey Pro capacity. Indicated Public Price : 3800€... on the high side compared to the 8801 listed at @ 2800€.

See details here :

http://www.avcesar.com/actu/id-14423/marantz-av8802-pre-amplificateur-remplacant-de-lav8801.html (in French)




and for information to be compared to Denon's AVR-X7200W rear panel :



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That is disturbing that the Denon and Marantz are so much alike

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It's a matter of bandwidth, not pinout, so...

Passive cables which meet the HDMI High Speed specs are supposed to be OK. Unfortunately, my understanding is that cables longer than about 25ft have no official specs, so they can be hit-or-miss. Also, people have reported problems when using certified HighSpeed cables with HDMI v1.4, so I'm afraid you really can't know if it'll work without trying it. In other words, it might save some time if you actually test the cable's compatibility before pulling it.

Older active cables (the ones with built-in equalization circuitry, like Redmere) are unlikely to be compatible frown.gif
Interesting, I just sort of learned this.

This is from AudioQuest web-site (quote):
"HIGH SPEED DATA CAPACITY: All AudioQuest HDMI cables up to 10 meters meet or exceed the 10.2 Gbps maximum data rate for HDMI and are approved High Speed with Ethernet cables. This means that all AudioQuest cables up to 10 meters are capable of transmitting 100% of the data required for all of HDMI’s current audio/video features including multichannel high-resolution audio, 1080p and 4k video, and 3D video from Blu-ray. All AQ HDMI cables will deliver 100% of the data required for 120Hz/240Hz/600Hz displays.

ETHERNET AND AUDIO RETURN CHANNEL ENABLED: All AudioQuest HDMI cables up to 10 meters are rated High Speed with Ethernet. From 12 meters to 20 meters AudioQuest HDMI cables are Standard Speed with Ethernet."

Confirms the "grey area" beyond 10M- ie. could or could-not yield High Speed processing. Intriguing that an additional 2M (or 6.6ft) would make a difference in yield as such.
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The new Marantz AV8802 relacing the actual AV8801 has been announced
delivery estimation? December 2014?
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13.2 whatever, i want 20.2. How hard it is to throw out some of the other inputs and outputs and throw a few channels more on a preamp!?
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I think there might be improvements due to Atmos - if I can be sure there are BDs supporting this from the major movie releases. But other than that, I can't find any compelling reasons to upgrade now from the 8801.

And since it's only a planned update and not even confirmed for launch, I'd rather wait to see it officially released before jumping the gun.
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I'm surprised to see they don't seem to have added an asynchronous USB interface. Two years after the 8801 and they're still missing this fairly important and popular feature. Many competing products have it.
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delivery estimation? December 2014?

Probably, as my bet lies on between mid November / very early December... just on time for Xmas. smile.gif

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Absolutely. If it doesn't work on release.....assume that it'll never work.

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Mine never worked that great on the 8801. Kept locking up the LAN.

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Agreed. Not so sure that there is much of a market for it.

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13.2 whatever, i want 20.2. How hard it is to throw out some of the other inputs and outputs and throw a few channels more on a preamp!?

For most the enthusiast market, I'd say that 9.X is likely to be the max. Beyond 9 speaker channels, its a bit obvious that the Consumers Electronics people are just trying to sell upgrades and speakers. I'm at 7.1 and holding. This would make a good topic for a poll. What's the maximum speaker system would you install in a dedicated home theater?

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Just consider the size of the room required for there to be any real differentiation with 20 speakers.

I'm at 11 now in my ~300 sq ft and to be honest, it's a bit ridiculous...as is the msrp on this unit by the way. ~$5,000?! I can't wait to see how it stacks up against $1500 avrs in 6 months.

But heh-- it has the "boutique" name plate and 13.2 processing so they know full well people will pay through the nose for it.

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The 13.2 would be processed via audyssey or neo x?

I got to 19 channels from doubling some
Channels in an 11.2 system and it sounds phenomenal. Practically seamless soundfield.

MUCH cheaper than buying a 8802. Two more processed channels that arent discreet wont be much better than what I did for a lot cheaper.

For enthusiasts, 20.4 is the bare minimum i would build into a flagship processor once atmos is releases, especially if it is to have atmos. Let the consumer decide to use all the channels or not.

This next marantz release is likely to not be ready for atmos if I had to guess... They are likely waiting for the specifications to be completed before committing to a higher channel count.

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I am interested not for 13 channels but rear heights. I can not use rear surrounds or wides but have front and rear heights in place but not currently in use.

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So does Atmos add any value for standard TrueHD or DTS sound?

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Split the Height signal to an Amp & use it for Back Height?
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That is disturbing that the Denon and Marantz are so much alike
The core control and digital audio processing elements of D&M products have been shared for years. Those are the most expensive parts to engineer, so they need to leverage them as much as possible. That's a good thing, as otherwise the 8802 would cost double if not more.

The chassis, power and analog sections are engineered to each brands target value / quality goals. So Marantz might typically have better analog performance as well as features like balanced analogue audio out.
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Doesn't seem to be much new here for a lot of people. Incremental upgrade IMO.

If it's not worth waiting until the last minute to do, then it's not worth doing.

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So does Atmos add any value for standard TrueHD or DTS sound?
Atmos is a mixing/rendering system. TrueHD and DTS are compression codecs. They can be used together, but I'm not sure what you mean by "add any value".

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