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Best Budget Reciever? & Questions?

Hi,

Basement on track to be completed by end of month and already got a new TV Vizio 602i-b3.

Now all that is left is a receiver and speakers. I know absolutely nothing about this. Our living room currently has a $50 Samsung Home Theater in a box that I found at The Source but we want something a bit decent this time.

Our budget is about $500 $800 for both receiver & Speakers which is not a lot when seeing receiver prices but we gotta make do.

Few Questions:
What would you suggest I spend more money on the speakers or receiver?

Also I noticed on the bestbuy website there are receivers that deliver say 1000W for $300 but for the same price a different brand only provides 100W. Is it just measured differently or per speaker? Why the big difference?

And any suggestions on what I should get? I really have no clue in on what is what in the home theater scene.

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Spend usually around 75% or more of budget on speakers. In your case it is hard to do that because you can't really buy a decent receiver for $125.00 I'd look at last years models refurbished receiver off accessories4less.com

For low budget I like polk speakers off newegg.com, they go on sale periodically for fairly decent deals.

Power ratings on receivers are just marketing. If it says 1000W it probably means peak power, and that is all channels added. In reality that would be like 50 watts per channel, 7 channels driven. Receivers are all very similar in power output, especially in the low end price range. Some high end receivers can do like 120-150 watts per channel.

If I were you, this is what I would buy:

subwoofer 195.00 http://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F1.../dp/B0015A8Y5M
receiver 190.00 http://www.accessories4less.com/make...airplay/1.html
speakers 160.00 on sale http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-Mon.../dp/B009WSVRL2
if you can't wait for them to go on sale then I'd buy http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882290268 which are currently on sale for 100.00

in the future you can buy a center and surrounds, but start with 2 ch for now, with that budget. Buy some 14 gauge speaker wire off monoprice.
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Spend usually around 75% or more of budget on speakers. In your case it is hard to do that because you can't really buy a decent receiver for $125.00 I'd look at last years models refurbished receiver off accessories4less.com

For low budget I like polk speakers off newegg.com, they go on sale periodically for fairly decent deals.

Power ratings on receivers are just marketing. If it says 1000W it probably means peak power, and that is all channels added. In reality that would be like 50 watts per channel, 7 channels driven. Receivers are all very similar in power output, especially in the low end price range. Some high end receivers can do like 120-150 watts per channel.

If I were you, this is what I would buy:

subwoofer 195.00 http://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F1.../dp/B0015A8Y5M
receiver 190.00 http://www.accessories4less.com/make...airplay/1.html
speakers 160.00 on sale http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-Mon.../dp/B009WSVRL2
if you can't wait for them to go on sale then I'd buy http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882290268 which are currently on sale for 100.00

in the future you can buy a center and surrounds, but start with 2 ch for now, with that budget. Buy some 14 gauge speaker wire off monoprice.
Thanks!

I forgot to mention the speaker wire is already run by the contractors so no need of that. And I cant wait till early July to get things so will deff wait for the sale. I would however prefer to go straight to all 5 speakers as I doubt it will happen later. I can probably stretch the budget a little bit.

Since good speakers are more important as you said, perhaps I can get a used receiver of Kijiji. The only problem is I dont know what to look for. Speakers and receivers seem like something that will last a long time if treated well?

Is this a good reciever?: Pioneer VSX-D711 ($100)

Also: Denon AVR 1611 7.1 Receiver + Energy Take Five 5.1 Speaker. ($400)

Onkyo TX-DS696 ($125)
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You won't find a better deal than the refurbished one I linked. It's quite a decent receiver it has Audyssey multeq which automatically sets up your speakers and eq's them. Buying refurbished is better than used, as they are reliable because they have been double checked by the factory. If you want 5 speakers, you can get the monitor 35B's for surrounds, 45B's/35B's for L/R and the matching center http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882290274 (I don't know where the black one is, you might have to look around) The Monitor 15C is also another (smaller and less expensive) option for center.

That pioneer and onkyo receivers you linked would sound fine, but they don't have HDMI or any of the modern features new receivers have, so that would be a pretty big negative, and would not be worth it. I don't think you can find anything remotely close to the E300 for the price.

The 1611 is a few models down and 3 years older than the E300, and those energy speakers are bad.
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You won't find a better deal than the refurbished one I linked. It's quite a decent receiver it has Audyssey multeq which automatically sets up your speakers and eq's them. Buying refurbished is better than used, as they are reliable because they have been double checked by the factory. If you want 5 speakers, you can get the monitor 35B's for surrounds, 45B's/35B's for L/R and the matching center http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882290274 (I don't know where the black one is, you might have to look around) The Monitor 15C is also another (smaller and less expensive) option for center.

That pioneer and onkyo receivers you linked would sound fine, but they don't have HDMI or any of the modern features new receivers have, so that would be a pretty big negative, and would not be worth it. I don't think you can find anything remotely close to the E300 for the price.

The 1611 is a few models down and 3 years older than the E300, and those energy speakers are bad.
Thanks!

I did not notice the lack of HDMI on them. Looking into more detail, I now see how much better the receiver you posted is !!

One more question and excuse my lack of awareness but the speakers you mentioned seem rather large? I am used to seeing the tiny speakers like that of the bose Acoustimass 10. I am guessing if I want small+good quality the price goes up?

I should have mentioned this earlier:
The speakers are being bought mostly for movies/sports and regular shows and would be placed beside the TV and behind the couch. From front the back the speakers would be placed around 12-18ft apart and left to right would be around 10-12ft?

In the odd party they would likely have to cover a much larger area but at that point quality isnt to important to us.

Thanks again for the replies!

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The polk's would probably be considered a medium size, they definitely are not large haha. But yes they are much bigger than home theater in a box speakers, but they are MANY times better. There really aren't such thing as small + good quality in home theater as it defies the laws of physics. But yes, small and decent quality are very expensive, and they are not common.

But yeah definitely make sure you measure where you want them to make sure they'll fit. These speakers are great for movies and sports. Not GREAT for music but they are still good, they will go quite loud if you want them to, of course I'm comparing these to speakers that cost 10-100x the price for music. Those distances seem fine. You'll definitely appreciate the volume these speakers can do in a fairly large room like that, smaller speakers would be quieter and strain to play a decent volume.

The good thing about having decent size speakers + a decent receiver like this denon is they will be good quality at low or high levels of playback. With dynamic EQ and dynamic compression you will get clear dialogue at low volumes. If you want it loud, turn those features off and these guys will go quite loud and play with fairly low distortion to pretty nice levels.
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The polk's would probably be considered a medium size, they definitely are not large haha. But yes they are much bigger than home theater in a box speakers, but they are MANY times better. There really aren't such thing as small + good quality in home theater as it defies the laws of physics. But yes, small and decent quality are very expensive, and they are not common.

But yeah definitely make sure you measure where you want them to make sure they'll fit. These speakers are great for movies and sports. Not GREAT for music but they are still good, they will go quite loud if you want them to, of course I'm comparing these to speakers that cost 10-100x the price for music. Those distances seem fine. You'll definitely appreciate the volume these speakers can do in a fairly large room like that, smaller speakers would be quieter and strain to play a decent volume.

The good thing about having decent size speakers + a decent receiver like this denon is they will be good quality at low or high levels of playback. With dynamic EQ and dynamic compression you will get clear dialogue at low volumes. If you want it loud, turn those features off and these guys will go quite loud and play with fairly low distortion to pretty nice levels.
Fair enough! I guess my standards were super low, haha.

I think I am going to go for the 35b's, $200 for the 4 speakers seems like a good deal.

I also forgot to mention I am in canada I can't find the Polk 35b, or 45b anywhere or any polk speakers for that matter. PSB seems to be popular here though, every store seems to be selling them. I am making a trip to New York on July 1st so thinking Ill ship it to my cousins place and pick it from there.

I can't seem to find the 25C in black though. How does this one compare? http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-Cen...lk+monitor+25c

It looks nice and is a bit cheaper.

Also any chance you could recommend a cheaper sub woofer?

I am already exceeding the budget! Although I am looking and anything below that price drops from the 475W to 100W


Scratch that, we agreed to increase home theater funding

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Instead of the Energy Take 5.1 Classic setup, you may want to save even more and get the very similar Monoprice branded 5.1 setup. The Energy are very often recommended on this forum for starter speakers and would match well with either the 1611 or E300. Note too that the E300 is the 2013 successor model to 2010 1611, however, both offer the same audio qaulity.

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Instead of the Energy Take 5.1 Classic setup, you may want to save even more and get the very similar Monoprice branded 5.1 setup. The Energy are very often recommended on this forum for starter speakers and would match well with either the 1611 or E300. Note too that the E300 is the 2013 successor model to 2010 1611, however, both offer the same audio qaulity.

http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_i...seq=1&format=2
I saw those while on mono price but didn't like how they looked.

We revised the budget, so pushing $600 to maybe $800 for audio setup.

So here is the list:

Polk Audio Monitor Series New Monitor 35B x 2 : 100 x 2 = $200

BIC America F12 12-Inch 475-Watt Front Firing Powered Subwoofer : $200

DENON AVR-E300 5.1 : $200

Still looking for the Polk 25C In Black : $150?

Total with tax will likely be around $800?
I am thinking of downgrading the subwoofer but don't want to go down to much.

Thank JWagstaff so far for all the recommendations!

EDIT: Whats y'all think about this? http://www.kijiji.ca/v-electronics/m...ationFlag=true

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Should have told me you were in Canada, I know all the deals here!

The 45B's are on sale right now, free shipping and only 168.00 !

http://www.visions.ca/Catalogue/Cate...&sku=MONITOR45

Another speaker in you can get in canada, the M10, goes on sale quite often for 68.00 and would be great surrounds. http://www.visions.ca/Catalogue/Cate...d=2382&sku=M10

I can't believe speakers I bought for 68.00 shipped to my door sound as good as they do. I really like them, I ran 120W to them for about 5 hours straight one night and it broke the dustcaps off both of them but they still work fine haha.

Putting a bit more money to front speakers and a bit less to your surrounds will give you better overall sound than spending the same on all four.

I strongly suggest to not downgrade from the Bic F12, it's basically the lowest-end sub you can buy that is actually a subwoofer. Cheaper subs are than it are pretty much a joke. The sub you linked is alright, it's probably quite similar to the F12. I'd offer 100 or 125 for it probably. The PSW505 is similar and it's 200 brand new (on sale, but it's on sale like 6 times a year).

If you can get the E300 from the US that's good, I don't think you can find it for cheaper in Canada. If you search hard, you might be able to find a dealer here that will sell for like $250.00 for a clearance sale this summer.

I found the center in canada http://www.visions.ca/Catalogue/Cate...sku=MONITOR15C
It's expensive MSRP, it should go on sale for like 129.00 shipped or even lower eventually.
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Should have told me you were in Canada, I know all the deals here!

The 45B's are on sale right now, free shipping and only 168.00 !

http://www.visions.ca/Catalogue/Cate...&sku=MONITOR45

Another speaker in you can get in canada, the M10, goes on sale quite often for 68.00 and would be great surrounds. http://www.visions.ca/Catalogue/Cate...d=2382&sku=M10

I can't believe speakers I bought for 68.00 shipped to my door sound as good as they do. I really like them, I ran 120W to them for about 5 hours straight one night and it broke the dustcaps off both of them but they still work fine haha.

Putting a bit more money to front speakers and a bit less to your surrounds will give you better overall sound than spending the same on all four.

I strongly suggest to not downgrade from the Bic F12, it's basically the lowest-end sub you can buy that is actually a subwoofer. Cheaper subs are than it are pretty much a joke. The sub you linked is alright, it's probably quite similar to the F12. I'd offer 100 or 125 for it probably. The PSW505 is similar and it's 200 brand new (on sale, but it's on sale like 6 times a year).

If you can get the E300 from the US that's good, I don't think you can find it for cheaper in Canada. If you search hard, you might be able to find a dealer here that will sell for like $250.00 for a clearance sale this summer.

I found the center in canada http://www.visions.ca/Catalogue/Cate...sku=MONITOR15C
It's expensive MSRP, it should go on sale for like 129.00 shipped or even lower eventually.
My bad, did not think there would be such a big difference between US n here.

Although it seems there are no visions stores in the GTA, would have been nice to see these prior. Although I am still hesitant to buy things from here because 13% tax is going to kill me!

Ill keep an eye out for the center. I am still torn between getting the 45 vs 35b's though. With tax the ones from vision will come out to $190. I can get 4 of the 35b's from newegg for $215 out the door.

Ill just go with the sub woofer you suggested then. Will do more research on the speakers and decide. I only have till tomo to decide for the 45b's sale.
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Yep, tax sucks. The US to CAD dollar is like 12% still though so it's basically the same as tax :P

Go listen to these at futureshop http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/produ.../10090945.aspx
They will sound quite similar to the 45B's.
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Yep, tax sucks. The US to CAD dollar is like 12% still though so it's basically the same as tax :P

Go listen to these at futureshop http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/produ.../10090945.aspx
They will sound quite similar to the 45B's.
Ahh! Fair enough! haha

Alright, will order the 45b's tonight then! And wait for the centre and M10's to go on sale.

Also how would you recommend placing these speakers? I want to wall mount them but they seem rather big to be mounted?
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If your working with a $500 budget I would suggest checking out the used market. I have found some excellent deals locally on Craigs list. Cambridge sound works 300m series speaks and di-pole rears a set of three fronts and two rears for $300. Going with a entry level yamaha or denon you can go wrong. The take 5's are great for the budget and finding a used set would be even better. I have a set of kef 3001 speakers I got off of ebay for only $300. They retailed for when new a few thousand. If your budget is limited and you don't mind looking around you can find some good deals on the second hand market.
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Stands, or on a tv cabinet/entertainment unit.

You can wall mount a few different ways, there's like actual speaker mounts you can get, or you could just put up a shelf on the wall.

Stands are fairly expensive, even cheap stands are like 100 bucks for a pair, so it wouldn't be worth it compared to the value of the speakers.
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If your working with a $500 budget I would suggest checking out the used market. I have found some excellent deals locally on Craigs list. Cambridge sound works 300m series speaks and di-pole rears a set of three fronts and two rears for $300. Going with a entry level yamaha or denon you can go wrong. The take 5's are great for the budget and finding a used set would be even better. I have a set of kef 3001 speakers I got off of ebay for only $300. They retailed for when new a few thousand. If your budget is limited and you don't mind looking around you can find some good deals on the second hand market.
No doubt there are likely some great used stuff on the market and I usually do go there for a lot of my stuff. But in this situation I have no idea what I am looking for and what is good/bad etc. I figured I would skip the hassle and go with new based on recommendations. Bumped up the budget a bit as well.

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Stands, or on a tv cabinet/entertainment unit.

You can wall mount a few different ways, there's like actual speaker mounts you can get, or you could just put up a shelf on the wall.

Stands are fairly expensive, even cheap stands are like 100 bucks for a pair, so it wouldn't be worth it compared to the value of the speakers.
Our tv is going to be wall mounted on a recessed wall and the in wall shelf is not big enough. I was under the impression these would be smaller lol.

The basement is still being worked on, I might be able to ask them to put wall shelves for the speakers in the front at least. I dont think having these speakers wall mounted will look good.
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What would be better rear speakers? The M10's you mentioned or should I go for 35B's for rear? I don't mind spending the extra $50.
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Technically the 35B's are a little bit better, I'm not sure you will notice the difference as surrounds.

35B's are about an inch deeper, and half an inch wider and taller. The extra cabinet size gives them a bit better bass.
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Technically the 35B's are a little bit better, I'm not sure you will notice the difference as surrounds.

35B's are about an inch deeper, and half an inch wider and taller. The extra cabinet size gives them a bit better bass.
Fair enough, I will wait for M10's to go on sale then!

Ordered the 45B's and Receiver

Any chance you would be able to suggest a Sub that I can get in Canada?

And looks like the Monitor 15C went on sale as well! http://www.visions.ca/catalogue/cate...sku=MONITOR15C

Also any idea if these ever go on sale? --> http://www.visions.ca/catalogue/cate...077&sku=EM109B

They seem to be the only ones that support the weight of the speakers

I found a Polk PSW125 Sub for $200. Is that any good?

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I don't know if those stands go on sale I've never looked at them before. You could go to home depot and ask them what they have for wall mounting I imagine they have quite a few things you could use. I mounted a 80 lb speaker on a wall for like 10 bucks with two shelving "L's" and a piece of shelf, and put 3 screws in each L into a stud.

I think that center might go on a better sale eventually, visions tends to have like 3 different levels of sale prices. But who knows how long you'd have to wait.

PSW125 for 200 isn't a bad deal but it's not great. If it's new and sells from Canada you could pricematch it to futureshop, they keep their MSRP at like 450 for that sub and they'd beat the price by 25 bucks (10%). Canada's sub market is quite weak, best deal you'd find is probably like a boxing day or black friday deal from futureshop. Only thing I could recommend is DIY, which is the best value by far, or finding a decent used sub on canuckaudiomart.com
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I don't know if those stands go on sale I've never looked at them before. You could go to home depot and ask them what they have for wall mounting I imagine they have quite a few things you could use. I mounted a 80 lb speaker on a wall for like 10 bucks with two shelving "L's" and a piece of shelf, and put 3 screws in each L into a stud.

I think that center might go on a better sale eventually, visions tends to have like 3 different levels of sale prices. But who knows how long you'd have to wait.

PSW125 for 200 isn't a bad deal but it's not great. If it's new and sells from Canada you could pricematch it to futureshop, they keep their MSRP at like 450 for that sub and they'd beat the price by 25 bucks (10%). Canada's sub market is quite weak, best deal you'd find is probably like a boxing day or black friday deal from futureshop. Only thing I could recommend is DIY, which is the best value by far, or finding a decent used sub on canuckaudiomart.com
Thanks again!

The 45B's just got delivered and they are bigger than I though :P Going to have to see how they look on the wall.

I ended up ordering the centre. And I did the math, the 35B's with the new egg sale came to only about $30 more so I went for it. Will be picking up the receiver and 35B's from new york this weekend.

Just going to watch out for the Sub now. Saw a few PSW-505's for 250-300 on my local classifieds.
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Newegg had a sale for the BIC F12 for $200 including shipping

Shipped it to the border and will pick it up later this week!
Basement should be done by the weekend too so will be setting everything up then.

Will have to figured out their placement. I dont think Ill be able to put the rear speakers at ear level. Is the Sub better at the front of beside the couch?
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