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...and a $700 budget, do I go with a 2.1 channel stereo receiver or an AVR? Seems opinions are all over the place on this one. Is there a general consensus?

Medium size room w/pair of wonderful old Bose 601 Series II's. Music is all in mp3's on iPod Classic 160gb running through Arcam Dr. Dock DAC.

Currently using Sherwood RX-4103 2-ch receiver but it has no sub out for my HSU VTF2 sub...thus a compromise "jury rig" setup. Time to upgrade. I was thinking the Emotiva Fusion 8100 receiver or Denon X2000 at $400 on closeout.
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Just use your Sherwoods high level output?

But if you just want 2 channel get a 2 channel receiver/amplifier

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What's going on with you? You posted this in the subwoofer
Section yesterday. New AVR-denon 1803.



Persistent hum in HSU VTF-2

I've had this subject subwoofer for six years, and it continues to hum or rumble when the volume is turned up during quiet music passages. Serviced by a hifi speaker shop, I was told there might be a short in the speaker cable, on need of a better ground plug or a short on the Denon AVR 1803 itself. Unable to get rid of the him on relatively low volume, the sub has been turned off for years.

I just bought a new AVR, new subwoofer wires and tried it again. The hum is still there on relatively low volume. Is this a normal performance for a sub? Should there be a distracting hum while playing?
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What's going on with you? You posted this in the subwoofer
Section yesterday. New AVR-denon 1803.



Persistent hum in HSU VTF-2

I've had this subject subwoofer for six years, and it continues to hum or rumble when the volume is turned up during quiet music passages. Serviced by a hifi speaker shop, I was told there might be a short in the speaker cable, on need of a better ground plug or a short on the Denon AVR 1803 itself. Unable to get rid of the him on relatively low volume, the sub has been turned off for years.

I just bought a new AVR, new subwoofer wires and tried it again. The hum is still there on relatively low volume. Is this a normal performance for a sub? Should there be a distracting hum while playing?
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Sorry, Grasshoppers, I have three different systems in three different rooms, one w/HT setup.
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Just use your Sherwoods high level output?

But if you just want 2 channel get a 2 channel receiver/amplifier
I'm currently using the Sherwood's high level inputs/output for the sub but can't resolve the sub hum without hardwiring a ground loop isolator...all just speaker wires. Thought this would be a good chance to upgrade.
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Apologize for the misunderstanding. I use this
Wonderful stereo receiver for my 2.1 system.

http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/rr2150.html
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Apologize for the misunderstanding. I use this
Wonderful stereo receiver for my 2.1 system.

http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/rr2150.html
Do you think there would be an audible difference for me with the Outlaw vs. something like the Denon X2000?
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Do you think there would be an audible difference for me with the Outlaw vs. something like the Denon X2000?
The only difference would be room correction
On the Denon. The rr2150 has a bit more power.
I like the analog bass mgmt on the Outlaw..works
Great. I think you would be very pleased.
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I bet the Outlaw has better control over 4ohm speakers than the Denon.

AVR have bass management which is useful but then it has things you'll never use, and I think they have inferior sound quality for the same price class.

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I bet the Outlaw has better control over 4ohm speakers than the Denon.

AVR have bass management which is useful but then it has things you'll never use, and I think they have inferior sound quality for the same price class.
The Bose 601's are 8 ohm I believe.
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They will drop to under 8ohm though. No speaker is fixed at 8ohm throughout the frequency range. My speakers are 4ohm but they dip to 2.2 ohm

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I guess this receiver choice comes down to base management (Outlaw) vs. room correction (MultiEQ XT) w/the Denon. Right?
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Stereo amps have no bass management. They're basically input selector, and stereo analogue pre-amp.

Krell Evolution 900e x 7

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I read the Outlaw RR-2150 stereo receiver had analog base management, thus the question.
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Interesting. I think another amp had it, HK also.

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The last feature on the rear panel, and surely the most important for some users, is an RCA subwoofer output and accompanying bass management selector switch. When stereo receivers became a household commodity, dedicated subwoofers didn’t exist. Consumers had giant, and often ugly (Cliff’s opinion), full-range speakers. As home audio technology advanced, consumers started trading out full-range speakers in favor of smaller sub/sat systems. While many of us still run full-range towers, smaller satellite or bookshelf speakers coupled with a subwoofer can sound similarly good and typically offer a much less imposing profile.
The bass management switch has four different settings: BP (Bypass), 100, 80, and 60Hz. When set on Bypass, a full range signal is sent to both the subwoofer and the main speakers. With this setup, you should use the low-pass filter built into your subwoofer. However, you can offload bass management to the RR2150 by selecting 100, 80, or 60Hz. This way, the RR2150 uses Outlaw’s ICBM-1 bass management system and engages a 2nd order (12dB/octave) Butterworth filter.

Oh it's bass. Not base.


I'm in two minds about Hifi, whether to stick to 2 channel pre-amp, or use a AV processor as that has bass managment in the digital domain, adjustable speaker and subwoofer crossover.


Kinda need bass managment as my speakers are standmounts. So either use high pass in the sub, or send full range to the speakers, or use a av pre-amp

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Stupid me! Sorry...I meant bass management, not base management! And here I thought I a lease spelt real Gode!
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...and a $700 budget, do I go with a 2.1 channel stereo receiver or an AVR? Seems opinions are all over the place on this one. Is there a general consensus?

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Stereo is ok but you'll never beat the sound of true 24/96 surround sound. Go to a stereo shop and see first hand on the big difference 5.1 has over stereo, that is how I got hooked just a simple 5 minutes in a stereo shop and i knew I had to have a 5.1 system, but I do have to admit 5.1 music is hard to find and expensive.
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