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Yes, but what i am talking about is for Dolby Atmos height channels. I read that the channels need to be pinpoint dispersion, and I am wondering where people are getting these? Who makes a pinpoint dispersion speaker?
As I mentioned earlier in the thread, we have a small (less than 2,000 cu ft) HT where the main area in front of us has a high cathedral ceiling where we have PLIIz Height Speakers in a 9.1 configuration using direct firing monitors (RB-5s) and contemplated that the only place we can put ceiling speakers would be about 8 ft over heads on a flat ledge (behind our mlp is a small cubby with our rear speakers).

I may forgo this first round of Atmos products but was wondering if replacing our current Front Heights with these http://www.klipsch.com/rs-7-surround-speaker/details (which we also already have) would work better in an Atmos setup? They have Klipsch Wide Dispersion Technology using two horn tweeters and a single LF driver.

That said, I find it surprising that neither here nor on the Klipsch Forum there's much talk about them coming out with any Atmos speakers, especially given their prominence in the Commercial and the Home Theater market.
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Scott and all that shared your insightful experiences at the Dolby Atmos demo day looking forward to the experience in my home.
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Why would the performance of the upmixer depend on the format of the source material? In other words, I don't understand your implication that the new Dolby Surround upmixer would work any differently with DTS-encoded source material than it would with Dolby-encoded source material. In fact, given two identical mixes, but one encoded using Dolby TrueHD and the other encoded using DTS-HD MA, I'd expect the Dolby Surround upmixer to produce identical-sounding results.
I agree with you because right now I am applying Dolby PLIIx Cinema on top of Blu-ray movies with a DTS-HD MA 5.1-channel soundtrack. ...Instead of DTS Neo:6

We don't know much right now about Dolby Surround Upmixer; it should work as you described.

But for the real deal, Dolby Atmos audio encoding, on them Blu-rays, only the ones with a Dolby TrueHD soundtrack would do. ...So the Dolby Surround Upmixer has better to work good or we might be waiting for the next thing real soon; DTS-UHD.

Next month we should find out the real facts, with real demos. Because right now, Dolby did not demo their Dolby Surround Upmixer with DTS-HD MA soundtracks. And that, was the question I suggested to Marc (FilmMixer) in asking the Dolby people @ his demo exhibition yesterday.
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Here are the pictures of the Demo room.
I tried to get the widest shots possible...hope this works for everyone.
the name for the picture is the location view of the room..ie. front..fronttop.

Enjoy
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Thanks for the demo reviews!

I am surprised to hear that many of you guys preferred the atmos speakers to the in ceiling speakers.

I know is difficult, but can you guys who have demoed, quantify degree of preference? 2 to 1? 3 to 1? Or just minimal?

Thanks
Me too, but I'm happy of their findings. I think it would also work better for the vast majority of surround sound aficionados, me included.

I think Sanjey (or Marc) asked its group of people and four of them said they prefer the up-firing speakers over the ceiling ones. ...So it is significant.

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Yes, but what i am talking about is for Dolby Atmos height channels. I read that the channels need to be pinpoint dispersion, and I am wondering where people are getting these? Who makes a pinpoint dispersion speaker?
You mean in or on-ceiling (overhead) Dolby Atmos speakers, so now I see.
...And my previous answer still stands. ...Suggestions were given in this thread about some Tannoy speakers, and others of the coaxial variety. ...Just google coaxial speakers.
But wait before you buy and position them; more is to come still.

And there are speakers from Onkyo, and Pioneer... Andrew Jones; speaker's designer for Pioneer is still working in his lab.

* It seems to me that many members here are already jumping in wide open without even knowing all the ins & outs so far. Is this an euphoria thing where patience doesn't apply? ...
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Here are the pictures of the Dolby private cinema..once again..tried to get the widest shots possible.

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An example of where they are different:
There are 3 or 4 home movie releases which have 11.1 channel soundtracks encoded using DTS NeoX. They make use of the "Front Wide" speakers. The new Dolby Surround upmixer does not send any sound to the "Front Wide" speakers.
You're not understanding my point. I'm not arguing that Dolby Surround and DTS Neo:X perform differently. What I am saying is that the upmixer doesn't care what codec was used the encode the source material. In other words, there's no need to wait around for a DTS-UHD upmixer to enjoy up-mixed DTS soundtracks. If you like the effects that the new Dolby Surround upmixer delivers, then feed it a DTS source. The upmixer won't care and will work fine.
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Here are the pictures of the Demo room.
I tried to get the widest shots possible...hope this works for everyone.
the name for the picture is the location view of the room..ie. front..fronttop.

Enjoy
RayJr
Awesome Ray! ...And I see that Tom Norton was in your group. ...I like Tom.
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Klipsch speakers, Onkyo receivers, they match each other them two brands.
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Klipsch speakers, Onkyo receivers, they match each other them two brands.

I'm not sure what that comment is supposed to imply, but I'm sure it's a dig of some sort.

That's okay though...Klipsch is good enough for a plurality of commercial cinemas, so my RF-7II system works great for me.

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I got approval from Scott Simonian to post the picture of him PIMPIN at the Dolby Labs Headquarters.




You asked for it Scott

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Who is that short, nerdy dude?

And how do I dis-like a post?
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Who is that short, nerdy dude?

And how do I dis-like a post?
I thought it was James Hunt.
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I'm getting there.

Not that gorgeous, obviously.


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I'm not sure what that comment is supposed to imply, but I'm sure it's a dig of some sort.

That's okay though...Klipsch is good enough for a plurality of commercial cinemas, so my RF-7II system works great for me.
Klipsch speakers are matched with Onkyo receivers when I go to my local Onkyo dealers.
...Not in your local area?

I don't know why some people have to see something else than what I said here.....It's ok, no big deal.
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I got approval from Scott Simonian to post the picture of him PIMPIN at the Dolby Labs Headquarters.




You asked for it Scott

RayJr
Ha, I thought he was much younger.
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I don't know why to have to see something else than what I said here. It's ok, I get that sometimes...
Eh?
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I thought it was James Hunt.
Did you, really?
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Eh?
He thought that it was a secret code of some sort. ...Some people's imagination works in mysterious ways.

Nothing there, please move on.

* I'm a huge fan of Klipsch and Onkyo. ...And it's no wonder that many music lovers love to have them together.
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Who is that short, nerdy dude?

And how do I dis-like a post?

Get a haircut you dirty hippie!
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Get a haircut you dirty hippie!
It's funny that you just said that; I was thinking the exact same thing but without saying it.

* By the way, my hair are down to my but. ...Honestly, butt they are mostly white.
And I'm younger than Scott too.
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Yes you have to do a firmware update to get Atmos. I was told you call in, give them the AVR model number and serial number and you will get secure, one time, access to download the FW update to enable Atmos via email link. I think i was told the 15th(August) or shortly after the FW update would be on there website.
The 15th is this Friday I will have to call them to see
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I can't believe it's almost September hope fully firmware will be released by then
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Here are the pictures of the Dolby private cinema..once again..tried to get the widest shots possible.

Interesting how high the surround speakers are mounted, they're almost at ceiling height (especially those towards the back of the room).
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I can't believe it's almost September hope fully firmware will be released by then
Time sure is flying fast.
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He thought that it was a secret code of some sort. ...Some people's imagination works in mysterious ways.

Nothing there, please move on.

* I'm a huge fan of Klipsch and Onkyo. ...And it's no wonder that many music lovers love to have them together.
Fair enough; I assumed (we know what happens when you do that) that based on your earlier statements regarding AccuEQ that you held Onkyo, and by extension Klipsch, in low esteem.

I used to be a big Onkyo fan as well until two of their flagship receivers (the 905 and the 5008) both took a giant dump on me. I've since moved on to Denon and couldn't he happier.
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I got approval from Scott Simonian to post the picture of him PIMPIN at the Dolby Labs Headquarters.



You asked for it Scott

RayJr
Lucky you... I wish I could get an invite to Dolby Labs. I used to attend training for their Trademark when I was working in Trademark Enforcement, but I have never been to anything like that.
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Fair enough; I assumed (we know what happens when you do that) that based on your earlier statements regarding AccuEQ that you held Onkyo, and by extension Klipsch, in low esteem.

I used to be a big Onkyo fan as well until two of their flagship receivers (the 905 and the 5008) both took a giant dump on me. I've since moved on to Denon and couldn't he happier.
You should read my latest posts. ...One that I just posted five minutes ago in the "AccuEQ vs Audyssey" thread.

And you're right; on the Internet don't ever assume. ...We are all humans, and with emotions that run the full gamut of time and space. And living day-by-day is good philosophy for the soul.

I love it all myself, and nothing is perfect.
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By the way, it is very true that Onkyo receivers are demo with Klipsch speakers.
And Denon receivers were demo with Mission speakers for years.
And Classe amps are demo with B&W speakers.
Technics was associated with Panasonic.
Etc., etc., etc.

So I wasn't making any type of insinuation here; be it positive or negative; simply stating the facts.
Onkyo has probably a close relationship with Klipsch, and I think that it is a great union indeed. Klipsch has some amazing speaker's technology behind, and for a very long time too, and the man himself is a great man with high praise and honor.

Yes, before judging me, please take the time to learn more about me, get to know me better.
Thank you for your cooperation.
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These sound great on my computer speakers, of course w/o Atmos.

Then I had a sinking feeling - what if, similar to previous latest/greatest formats, the average SQ is of the media is several cuts less than what is possible, with the potential only realized on demo's like these and the relatively small amount of really well mastered material.

Now that I think about it, why would it be any different for Atmos?

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After the brief presentation they went straight into some demo material. First up was the array of Atmos 'trailers' available in equipped cinemas. In order of appearance was the 'Amaze' then 'Unfold' and then 'Leaf' Atmos trailers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXBn3x2PZYQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1QM6QrKtIQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJA2U-YMvkk


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