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post #5131 of 41433 Old 08-22-2014, 04:10 PM
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That's right - that was my point. If they stopped making DVDs people would switch to Bluray. This would bring us one medium and would help reduce Bluray prices and there is no downside at all. Legacy DVD collections could still be viewed on Bluray players. Bluray players are available for just a few dollars these days. Arguing for the retention of outdated technology like DVD is like arguing we should still be able to buy movies on VHS, or music on 8-track cartridges.
Most people I know that are still using DVDs. If they stopped making DVDs, they would not switch to BD. They would turn to more digital rentals instead of getting a BD player. They have already made it very clear that they have no intention of buying any Blu-ray Discs. Either way though, I would expect the discs to sound very good with an Atmos capable receiver.
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How many cars have entertainment systems?
I thought the kids were all spoilt these days with iPad's, Kindle fire etc....downloading movies to their tablets/phablets/phones, no need for physical media, surely that would be the way to go for vehicles.
I fully understand and appreciate your point with regards to manufacturers though, they can be slow to adopt.
I work for a manufacturer myself, however that's in the VRF (Variable refrigerant flow) industry.
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Why haven't I seen any revenue statements?
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Wow. I could have a Denon X4100 next Wednesday, from Amazon US .... and no more expensive than waiting for the UK version.... all I’d lose is the warranty.... hmmm...

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Bringing back sexy. Have to admit, this has me excited for the 8802 when it's released. Patience has never been my strong suit.


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It has to cost something to include the DVD, and I am guessing the consumer pays for it. That's another way they could reduce the price of the Bluray then. And it has a knock-on effect on reduced packaging costs and even reduced shipping costs (as the DVD must weigh something and when you ship hundreds of thousands, that something will be considerable). DVD has had its time in the sun - it is time to let it die gracefully, just like LD, VHS and all the other outdated content carriers.

If they'd decided to kill it off years ago, I'd say do it gracefully. Now however, make it a quick and brutal demise
You can't get the everyday schmo to adopt new tech if the old stuff is STILL around!
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Looks like the Denon X5200W will be the first Atmos included AVR to be released and available as of today.
And Walkamo announced in the Pioneer speaker thread that receivers & speakers were shipping today also.

Atmos fun will begin pretty soon

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One rumor is that the players for 4K "BD" discs won't be able to play CDs or DVDs because of differences in their laser designs. However, since there are also rumors that there never will be any 4K BDs, it's a little hard to gauge its veracity.

Edited to add: the frequency of the light and the size of the focusing spot are just too different. The data pits and tracks of 4K media are much smaller. I seem to recall that some early BD players actually had two different lasers in them in order to be able to read CDs and DVDs. If they do that for the 4K players, maybe it's a non-issue.

And again: many of us have tapes and discs containing material which never will be available on newer formats for various reasons. It's quite discouraging.
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Bringing back sexy. Have to admit, this has me excited for the 8802 when it's released. Patience has never been my strong suit.



Are they going to display both input and output same time


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They could stop selling DVD alone all together but include it with your blu-Ray disc and then they could sell you the 3D blu-ray, atmos blu-ray, blu-ray, and digital copy.
Those two packages... I don't think that getting rid of the DVD will lower pricing once they get us use to paying what ever...the prices never seem to drop unless they know there going sell alot with a promotional release.. or wait till they end up in the discount bin.
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I must really be slow. But I just realized, no more 7.1 anolog input. And I know, I hear hdmi there is no difference. Except, now, hdmi is much much more.

Just curious. Whats a good price to list my used 4520 on craigslist, or other listing affiliates? Only 1 yr old.
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No, and I will miss that feature on my current AVR-3311CI.

But, as I recall, there is an info button that provides the input/output info via graphic overlay on a display. So that is at least some consolation.
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I must really be slow. But I just realized, no more 7.1 anolog input. And I know, I hear hdmi there is no difference. Except, now, hdmi is much much more.

Just curious. Whats a good price to list my used 4520 on craigslist, or other listing affiliates? Only 1 yr old.
Look on Amazon and check what they are selling it used, that always give me a good idea.

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Let me put a slight damper on that. I have a set of Tannoy Di5DC's on my bedroom balcony, powered by a little Parasound Zamp v3. They're fine for background music, but they do have an audible resonance in the lower mids that's distracting for more-than-background listening. I would not use them in my living room.
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Somebody is buying them. I thought there were fifteen available earlier today.
They will most likely be gone by the end of the weekend,
I didn't realize how small it is (15.5 x 17.1 x 6.6 inches ; 31.1 pounds) nice sweet package a little too rich for my blood right now but in a year when I'm ready to replace my 818 this thing may be in my future.

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Look on Amazon and check what they are selling it used, that always give me a good idea.
On Amazon, the used Denon 4520's sell for more than my 4520 refurb cost. I guess since the new ones aren't at the very low price they were a month ago the used prices have gone way up. Which I guess is good for someone trying to sell.

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On Amazon, the used Denon 4520's sell for more than my 4520 refurb cost. I guess since the new ones aren't at the very low price they were a month ago the used prices have gone way up. Which I guess is good for someone trying to sell.
I know I saw that some of the new one are $2500.00
Good luck selling at that price when you can get the 5200w for $1999

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I know I saw that some of the new one are $2500.00
Good luck selling at that price when you can get the 5200w for $1999
Except that if you don't need/want Atmos, the 4520 has features (similar to the X7200W's step-up features) that the X5200W doesn't.
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The big question is Auro 3D ,will the 1st generation of Atmos amps be able to upgrade to this format?
I have 3 blu rays with Auro 3d on the disc however no way of playing it back with out spending silly money
I wish DTS would make some statement and talk about the speaker layout for the extra speakers
auro will be silly money, i was quoted €1200 for the Auro license on a stormaudio processor.

So i lost interest at that point..
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auro will be silly money, i was quoted €1200 for the Auro license on a stormaudio processor.

So i lost interest at that point..
Yeah, I doubt Auro 3D will go very far in the home theater realm. The unknown factor is DTS-UHD.

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One discussion point I've not seen is how good the upmixer works on non-atmos content:


Once people invest $$$$ into new AVR and the speakers, you do want to use that gear.
That will be part of the make it or break it, who the heck is going to re-purchase good blu-rays just for atmos re-mix? Not I.
Will the studios even break their bank just to release a re-mix in atmos?
Maybe only for the biggie/legacy movies.

Now, if the atmos upmixer does a good job, then people can feel good about their purchase and not have buyers remorse/etc.

I've not read about any A vs B for the upmixer on non-atmos mix, why?

I'm running a full 11.2 set-up and can say that NeoX upmixer does add envelopment to my HT (prior was 7.1), enough that I leave it always on.
I've tried PLIIz and DSX, but NeoX seems to have the best balanced upmixer out there.
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So I am a true geek.

Yamaha A3040 arrives today.

And then I see the Denon X5200 for sale.

Atmos and Dolby Surround on board.

Mine will be here in the morning. .

Just need the speakers which I expect next week.
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Don't forget that radio frequencies and formatting are different, too. But if you don't use it for OTA reception, that's irrelevant. I dunno if its power supply has been optimized for the type of mains power.
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True, but I don't use OTA radio any more. AFAIK the power supplies for all these units are universal. I am "thinking about it".
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Keith, we agree, however the market does not. People want lowest cost solution, in cars where millions of vehicles are sold pennies matter.
I'm manager at OE auto company,
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Bluray, at OE level it's simply too expensive for no additional revenue.
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That would have applied to the change from cassette to CD as well though, but they still did it. Why? Because the content stopped being available on cassette. Same thing would be sure to happen if the content stopped being available on DVD. What would the car manufacturers do - carry on installing DVD players for an obsolete format, install nothing, or install players that could play the format in common use? I suspect the latter.

Your point makes perfect sense as long as there are DVDs. My postulation embraces a world where there are no more DVDs (being released).
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Thanks, Selden.

True, but I don't use OTA radio any more. AFAIK the power supplies for all these units are universal. I am "thinking about it".

No, rather based on the region so USA model is 120v/60Hz.

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I'd say go for it, bro! But only if it doesn't put you in a financial "situation".

Cuz I know I would (Yammy 3040) but I don't want to be broke for the next half year.
The financial aspect isn't relevant as I am going to buy an Atmos unit as soon as I can anyway. And buying from the States actually saves me $150, all taxes, carriage etc taken into account. I have bought a lot of stuff from the US over the years, but not usually highly complex stuff, because of the warrant issue if the thing dies on me. Speakers, subs, amps etc are all a fairly safe bet, and can all be easily repaired here. But AVRs are a different kettle of fish.

I guess it boils down to this: if the UK models will be here in two weeks, I may as well wait. If the UK models won't be here until October, then getting one right now would be attractive, and I'd have to hope it works properly for at least 2 years. Hmmm...
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Do you have Atmos content to try other than the Denon BD Atmos demo included with the X5200? I have a feeling you're in an enviable position with respect to access. Can't wait to get your feedback on the X5200 with the AJ Atmos speakers.
Note that although this demo disc exists, it is not shipping with the X5200W units, or rather at least not with the USA units.

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Let me put a slight damper on that. I have a set of Tannoy Di5DC's on my bedroom balcony, powered by a little Parasound Zamp v3. They're fine for background music, but they do have an audible resonance in the lower mids that's distracting for more-than-background listening. I would not use them in my living room.

The bigger Di6DC may be a better speaker. I don't know; it was too big for my small bedroom balcony, so I never checked them out. The old Tannoy i8AW (driver designed under Mark Dodd, who's currently heading up all that cool stuff KEF's been doing, and their same "2046" unit used in several of their studio monitors from the day) is a massively better speaker, if you can find them and find the yolks. (One nice thing about the Di-series is that they come with the mounting yolks.) But as you'd expect they're also much larger, which may be an issue for ceiling mounts, and was an issue for my little balcony. Hence the Di5DC purchase.
Interesting. I hooked up a pair of Di5 DCs to my very high quality Class A amp, and fed it a CD from my equally high quality Naim CD player, and on careful listening to some vocal jazz I didn't detect any issues at all. Have you been able to measure this 'audible resonance' at all? I guess I could hook up REW and do a temporary install of the Di5 in the HT, but In didn't because I didn't hear anything obviously untoward in my listening test.

How would you characterise the resonance you are hearing?

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