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In reply to Noah's post (#1222):


I believe Keith what he said. And I also believe in a bright future, for everyone; money no object for all.
Time will tell if my optimism and my readings are accurate enough...
I actually played it down so that I didn't come across as too "gushing". In reality I was more excited than comes across in my short report.
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This highlights a very important and as yet unanswered question - how will non-Atmos soundtracks be processed and how effective will it be.

Anyone attending Atmos demo's, please ask if they can play non-Atmos material.
I may be invited to another demo soon. If I am, I will ask that specific question. I'd love to hear how that works. What would be great would be to hear a movie

1. In straight 5.1/7.1
2. Then in Atmos 5.1.2
3. Then in Atmos 5.1.4
4. Then in Atmos 7.1.4
5. Then upmixed to 7.14 etc.

I doubt if there would be time though. They try to pack as many people through the demo as they can, understandably. And, of course, the demo room for the HT side can only be, by definition, fairly small. I think they got it right with 6 seats, but you can see how long it takes to get 60 people through...
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This is sadly true. Which is why I say the consumer Atmos -- call it "Atmos Lite" -- is just another cheap gimmick to flog receiver sales. I'd predict that not even 90% of its sales will be to people who really know how to implement it correctly at home.

There will always be high-end users who will spare to expense to get it done really well. But I don't see those people buying $799 receivers. I also think there are ways they could be making those $799 receivers better, rather than cutting back on the watts per channel and cheapening on the available circuitry being used. You can build a 5.1 receiver far better for $799 than you could build an 11.2-channel receiver for that same price.
You forgot, speakers, cables, labor etc. for incremental benefit over 7.1 and its variations. It is a niche for those who want to have it and that is fine but overall and industry money grab IMO.
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You forgot, speakers, cables, labor etc. for incremental benefit over 7.1 and its variations. It is a niche for those who want to have it and that is fine but overall and industry money grab IMO.
I’d be interested to compare your experience with mine because mine couldn’t be described as 'incremental benefit'.

What kind of HT setup was it where you heard Atmos? Was it 7.1.4 or 5.1.2 or what? How many top speakers were in use - 2 or 4? Did they use physical speakers or just the Atmos-enabled speakers?
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Happily, that is no longer a problem with proper use of 2-4 subwoofers, thanks to Welti and the rest of the Harman crew.
You are exactly right, but ... four subs, especially in a larger room can push many a budget too far, not to mention take up real estate or require very good in-wall subs. Of course, Todd's models are solely for a rectangular room. All bets are off on placement in odd-shaped or open floor plans. But sorting that out is part of the fun, huh?
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I currently have my 4 surround speakers mounted just 5 inches below my 8 foot ceilings. I can't really lower them much because we have a walkway behind the seats and don't want people bumping into them.

Do you think the speaker height will have a detrimental effect on the Atmos experience?

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I currently have my 4 surround speakers mounted just 5 inches below my 8 foot ceilings. I can't really lower them much because we have a walkway behind the seats and don't want people bumping into them.

Do you think the speaker height will have a detrimental effect on the Atmos experience?
It probably won't be quite as dramatic 3D-wise since there wouldn't be as much of a location differential between the wall surround and the ceiling surround "zones." They're all height speakers.

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I currently have my 4 surround speakers mounted just 5 inches below my 8 foot ceilings. I can't really lower them much because we have a walkway behind the seats and don't want people bumping into them.
Lower them mechanically into position once everyone is seated? Would be sooo geeky!

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Lower them mechanically into position once everyone is seated? Would be sooo geeky!
That could be a solution, though I don't know the OP's budget. Either that or manually when you want to use the theater. I'm sure there are solutions available to lower their surrounds into position.

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Good review!

Did they demo Atmos UP-MIXING for standard 5.1 / 7.1 tracks?

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Did they demo Atmos UP-MIXING for standard 5.1 / 7.1 tracks?

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No, that was already covered.

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Lower them mechanically into position once everyone is seated? Would be sooo geeky!
That would be pretty slick! I don't think it's within my budget though, lol. My next purchase will be new speakers, planning to go with 8 JBL Pro Cinema 8320, 4 for surround and 4 for height. They are wedge shaped so maybe I can get away with them being a bit lower than the bookshelf speakers that I am currently using. Now I just have to convince my wife that we need to upgrade...

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Do you think the speaker height will have a detrimental effect on the Atmos experience?
Yes, but mostly for the height speakers behind you (in the surround field), since your front speakers are (hopefully) closer to ear level.

To compensate for the lack of difference in physical height, you can exploit azimuth and proximity. For example, if your sides & rears are at the typical ±90° and ±150° angles, respectively, then put your rear heights at an angle in between. If your sides & rears are mounted on the walls, then mount your rear heights on the ceiling, inward from the walls.

Wouldn't be a bad idea to do this for the front heights as well. This keeps the contributions of the rear heights unique compared to the surrounds mounted high up.
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That room is close to square, and the seat is in the middle of the room; the worst possible position for low frequency acoustic response.

That's not correct. The center of the room is no different than any other seating location with regards to low frequency response. People think this is the case because people publish papers of how nulls form and they typically pick a single frequency that evenly fits in the room dimensions to demonstrate the problem and the frequency they pick forms a null in the middle of the room. This is done for ease of explanation, not because there's anything special about the center of the room.
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That would be pretty slick! I don't think it's within my budget though, lol. My next purchase will be new speakers, planning to go with 8 JBL Pro Cinema 8320, 4 for surround and 4 for height. They are wedge shaped so maybe I can get away with them being a bit lower than the bookshelf speakers that I am currently using. Now I just have to convince my wife that we need to upgrade...
What speakers will you be using in the front? JTR's? The JBL's you're thinking of purchasing seem to match well with the JTR Noesis speakers.

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Good review!

Did they demo Atmos UP-MIXING for standard 5.1 / 7.1 tracks?

Thanks!
There was no time. I may be attending another demo, and if so I will try to see if I can get a demo of the upmixing capabilities.
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Eight posts above yours this topic was most recently covered, and if you've been reading Keith's comments and subsequent discussion it was clear they didn't demo the upmixing.
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What speakers will you be using in the front? JTR's? The JBL's you're thinking of purchasing seem to match well with the JTR Noesis speakers.
Most likely three JBL 3677s accross the front. I'm going to try three of the 8320s in the front first before I ceiling mount them and see how they sound. If I am satisfied I will just order some more of them, that way all speakers are matching. If I am not satisfied, I will go with the 3677s.

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Keith,
Great review, I am really excited. Thank you for taking the time to put together a detailed review.
Hopefully you (or someone) can hear a demo with an actual retail Blu-ray. Hopefully the mixes we get that are created from the cinema versions are as spectacular as the demo you heard.
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That would be pretty slick! I don't think it's within my budget though, lol.
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That's not correct. The center of the room is no different than any other seating location with regards to low frequency response. People think this is the case because people publish papers of how nulls form and they typically pick a single frequency that evenly fits in the room dimensions to demonstrate the problem and the frequency they pick forms a null in the middle of the room. This is done for ease of explanation, not because there's anything special about the center of the room.
And some of us have actually participated in those demonstrations. Yes, a dramatic demonstration will make the concept very obvious, as you describe. But it's an issue of math. The middle can certainly be bad if the room proportions render a first harmonic node at a frequency that is strongly used in the media content you are using. In smaller rooms, that's pretty low, I'll grant you.

No offense, but my comment was meant as a conversational aside, not to start an off-topic debate or even discussion on this thread.

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But it's an issue of math. The middle can certainly be bad if the room proportions render a first harmonic node at a frequency that is strongly used in the media content you are using.

Yes, but that's equally true for every seating location. Nothing specific to the middle of the room.
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From Dolby's blog

"What if I build a Dolby Atmos system but want to play content that isn’t in Dolby Atmos?

A Dolby Atmos home theater can play any stereo, 5.1, or 7.1 content. You can choose to have our technology automatically adapt that channel-based signal to use the full capabilities of your new system, including your overhead speakers, ensuring that you hear realistic and immersive sound."


http://blog.dolby.com/2014/06/dolby-...ions-answered/

It doesn't say it will be equivellent but...

I'm pretty sure this was posted earlier in the thread but I'm too lazy to confirm.
Back to Atmos -- JD and I had it confirmed today that the upcoming Atmos-capable D&M models WILL include Atmos upmixing.

We were told that upmixing is part of the Atmos platform, so my assumption is the same will be true for models from other brands as well.
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The center of the room is no different than any other seating location with regards to low frequency response.
The centre of any room dimension is where low frequency response variations are greatest (modes are either peaking or nulling). By comparison, the 1/3 divisions of room dimensions are where frequency response variations are smallest (no nulls, much smaller peaks & dips). So the centre of the room is very different from other seating locations.

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Great review, I am really excited. Thank you for taking the time to put together a detailed review.
Hopefully you (or someone) can hear a demo with an actual retail Blu-ray. Hopefully the mixes we get that are created from the cinema versions are as spectacular as the demo you heard.
This was one of the questions someone asked. The answer was that the demo material we heard was "identical" to a commercial Bluray release of the same content. I guess it would be as it is just a TrueHD bitstream to the decoder.

Thanks for the comment on the review BTW.
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This was one of the questions someone asked. The answer was that the demo material we heard was "identical" to a commercial Bluray release of the same content. I guess it would be as it is just a TrueHD bitstream to the decoder.

Thanks for the comment on the review BTW.
If "identical", then it would have no Atmos content in the mix?

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If "identical", then it would have no Atmos content in the mix?
??? A TrueHD bitstream of Atmos content will be the sxame if it comes off a BD disc via BD player or off a laptop bitstreaming it. Not sure what you mean.
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??? A TrueHD bitstream of Atmos content will be the sxame if it comes off a BD disc via BD player or off a laptop bitstreaming it. Not sure what you mean.
He probably thought you were talking about a BD disk that you can currently purchase, when you were actually talking about the new ones that have not yet been released.

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This was one of the questions someone asked. The answer was that the demo material we heard was "identical" to a commercial Bluray release of the same content. I guess it would be as it is just a TrueHD bitstream to the decoder.

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I thought there was no Atmos content currently available on BD?

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