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It will be hard to start the 30 day in-home trial of some new Dolby Atmos & DTS-UHD capable AVR until all promised firmware for both technologies are available to download . . . and you have a handful of BDs authored in both Dolby Atmos and DTS-UHD with which to test the AVR's new features!
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Then, wait?
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i was fighting my urge to buy a new a3030 , but now that yammy announced the a3040 for the same price i just can't resist.. at first my thoughts where that the 3030 will be cheaper when the 3040 is released, but i just can't live with the idea that i have to do without all new technology like hdmi2.0 and atmos later in fall. i only have a dts and dd avr now, so i'm sure it will be a lot of avance on what i have now. the second it comes available i'm most surely gonna buy the a3040 and some klipsches.
Been itching for the 3030 all year. It's easier to resist but now the 3040? Ugh.

Must... wait... for .... content.

And then there's DTS. G'damnit!

Must... hold.... out.



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Preach it, my man!
*sigh*
...yes.
Been itching for the 3030 all year. It's easier to resist but now the 3040? Ugh.
Must... wait... for .... content.
And then there's DTS. G'damnit!
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lol dude !
there is allready content for atmos as well as for auro-3D albeit not that much though, but there will be more by the end of the year. none of which are going to stop me from buying a a3040 with new hdmi2.0 60fps spec and atmos incorporated with new firmware comming in the fall. the reason for atmos not being implemented directly is probably related to certification and licences needed and not so much by the capability to do so. in the meanwhile it does neo:x and dolby IIz anyways and im sure for atmos it will have some dsp stuff to play with that too. yammies dsp chips are very capable of doing so with probably even processing power to spare.

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No. There is no Atmos consumer content. That's what I'm talking about.


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I can imagine buying a Dolby Atmos ready with out DTS UHD where is DTS

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Taking their sweet ass time.


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Taking their sweet ass time.
Like I mentioned before, I think DTS wanted Dolby to tip their hand first. Then they can make a counter offer, so to speak. Their rivalry is not over yet.

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So this isn't consumer Atmos, but here is an article on a Sony theater that just made some upgrades including Atmos and Auro 3D and how they can convert one into the other. I thought it was interesting and others might like it too. Maybe whet your appetites a little more

http://m.prosoundnetwork.com/article...ve-sound/17940

It's cool if you want to wait awhile before deciding if Atmos is a worthy upgrade for you, but I haven't been this excited in quite a while about home theater and I am soooo ready to upgrade my old (but still quite good) Denon AVR-3808ci that I will board this train as soon as I have the cash to buy in. Now its just a matter of deciding on which model I want. Besides, I am actually having fun with this topic and I don't know why some people are so bent out of shape but lighten up about it and enjoy the ride.

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Just finished reading the press release on the Yamaha receivers and I gotta say I am intrigued by this statement: "YPAO™ - R.S.C. (Reflected Sound Control) with 3D, multipoint and angle measurement corrects for imperfect room conditions and non-standard speaker placement for the best sounding results."

Could this mean that only Yamaha will be able to truly "know" your speakers location and make Atmos more effective? Inquiring minds want to know.

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Well this didn't take long

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Just finished reading the press release on the Yamaha receivers and I gotta say I am intrigued by this statement: "YPAO™ - R.S.C. (Reflected Sound Control) with 3D, multipoint and angle measurement corrects for imperfect room conditions and non-standard speaker placement for the best sounding results."

Could this mean that only Yamaha will be able to truly "know" your speakers location and make Atmos more effective? Inquiring minds want to know.
I would be more convinced if that statement was linked to dolby atmos and not ypao somehow
This sounds more like proper rendering should

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Environmentally compensated audio rendering allows consumers to hear audio directionality and dimensionality more precise than ever before possible
Object control enables consumers to interact with key objects within the audio mix and adjust them to preference
Customized rendering designed for arbitrary speaker layouts enables consumers to adapt their AV system to their own home environment rather than pre-determined speaker layouts
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Could this mean that only Yamaha will be able to truly "know" your speakers location and make Atmos more effective?
It will know where your speakers are (current Yamaha models already do this), but the info won't be used for Atmos rendering.
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Just finished reading the press release on the Yamaha receivers and I gotta say I am intrigued by this statement: "YPAO™ - R.S.C. (Reflected Sound Control) with 3D, multipoint and angle measurement corrects for imperfect room conditions and non-standard speaker placement for the best sounding results."

Could this mean that only Yamaha will be able to truly "know" your speakers location and make Atmos more effective? Inquiring minds want to know.
Nope. It will only be used for the YPAO EQ. None of the mfr's will be using angle measurement in the Atmos implementation.

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lol dude !
there is allready content for atmos as well as for auro-3D albeit not that much though, but there will be more by the end of the year. none of which are going to stop me from buying a a3040 with new hdmi2.0 60fps spec and atmos incorporated with new firmware comming in the fall. the reason for atmos not being implemented directly is probably related to certification and licences needed and not so much by the capability to do so. in the meanwhile it does neo:x and dolby IIz anyways and im sure for atmos it will have some dsp stuff to play with that too. yammies dsp chips are very capable of doing so with probably even processing power to spare.
Where does it say anywhere that the a3040 will do Dolby PLIIz or Neo:X?

No Yamaha model currently does these surround modes.
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It will be interesting to see real world HT implementation and practical use of this stuff. My first concern would be availability of content over the next year or two after these receivers are released in Q4. I will not be an early adopter, but it sure will be fun to read impressions from those who are. I'll wait for the "rev 2" receivers and expanded content.


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Cost issues aside, is it a smart idea to purchase the RS20i for my DTS needs, like Neo X and Aura 3D, and the Marantz 8802 for my Dolby needs, like IIz and Atmos?

I'm aware that the RS20i is a sound processor and not a receiver, but is it possible I could connect that to the 8802?
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Hello All -


I'm in the wiring phase of my theater and am looking for ideas/recommendations as to how to wire for Atmos. So far, this is the best piece of info I found:


http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-th...e-theaters/#/7


I am wired now for traditional 7.2 and my room is the typical "rectangle" (20x40) with 9' ceilings. I will happily wire for more... I have 3 weeks before the drywall goes up!


I was going to pull cable for the 4 ceiling speakers - which I believe makes my system 7.2.4. Is this correct?


I see no mention on the website linked above in my post for "height" speakers. What is the general consensus on those?


If anybody has other recommend "general" speaker layouts, I'd appreciate the info. All I can seem to find is info pertaining to commercial theaters.
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Just finished reading the press release on the Yamaha receivers and I gotta say I am intrigued by this statement: "YPAO™ - R.S.C. (Reflected Sound Control) with 3D, multipoint and angle measurement corrects for imperfect room conditions and non-standard speaker placement for the best sounding results."

Could this mean that only Yamaha will be able to truly "know" your speakers location and make Atmos more effective? Inquiring minds want to know.
Edit. Posted too quick before read follow up to this. Oops! Sounded good for a minute.
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My first thought after the ATMOS announcement was the adoption of this would be abysmal. The more I think about it, however, the more I think having overhead speakers is going to "sound" interesting, even to people that don't know much about it.

I know several people that bought into 5.1 not really knowing what to expect. They just liked the idea of having speakers around them. 7.1 wasn't interesting because it was more of the same. Now we're talking about speakers overhead, and I think that's going to drive interest in a larger group of people than 7.1 did, even if this group doesn't really know what they're getting into. You know, the same group that puts all the surround speakers on top of their TV

I can already hear the conversations at BB about how awesome the plane flyover will sound when it goes over your head instead of just beside you. Whether or not the mixers can actually make it sound better is irrelevant. It's the idea that I think people may latch onto.

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I'm in the wiring phase of my theater and am looking for ideas/recommendations as to how to wire for Atmos. So far, this is the best piece of info I found:


http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-th...e-theaters/#/7


I am wired now for traditional 7.2 and my room is the typical "rectangle" (20x40) with 9' ceilings. I will happily wire for more... I have 3 weeks before the drywall goes up!


I was going to pull cable for the 4 ceiling speakers - which I believe makes my system 7.2.4. Is this correct?


I see no mention on the website linked above in my post for "height" speakers. What is the general consensus on those?


If anybody has other recommend "general" speaker layouts, I'd appreciate the info. All I can seem to find is info pertaining to commercial theaters.

I would delay that drywall job a little bit. There is no information on optimal speaker placement yet for home Atmos or even DTS-UHD. It's all just speculation and generic pictures to go off right now. Though, I would also wire for front wide side surrounds while you're at it.

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My first thought after the ATMOS announcement was the adoption of this would be abysmal. The more I think about it, however, the more I think having overhead speakers is going to "sound" interesting, even to people that don't know much about it.

I know several people that bought into 5.1 not really knowing what to expect. They just liked the idea of having speakers around them. 7.1 wasn't interesting because it was more of the same. Now we're talking about speakers overhead, and I think that's going to drive interest in a larger group of people than 7.1 did, even if this group doesn't really know what they're getting into. You know, the same group that puts all the surround speakers on top of their TV

I can already hear the conversations at BB about how awesome the plane flyover will sound when it goes over your head instead of just beside you. Whether or not the mixers can actually make it sound better is irrelevant. It's the idea that I think people may latch onto.
I, on the other hand, would like it to be a marked improvement in the surround experience. No may. It will... or else!!

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I, on the other hand, would like it to be a marked improvement in the surround experience. No may. It will... or else!!
I'm hoping for the best as well. We'll just have to wait and see. That said, it occurred to me that ATMOS may see better adoption than I first expected just due to the idea of having these overhead effects. We'll see

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I would delay that drywall job a little bit. There is no information on optimal speaker placement yet for home Atmos or even DTS-UHD. It's all just speculation and generic pictures to go off right now. Though, I would also wire for front wide side surrounds while you're at it.
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I'm in the wiring phase of my theater and am looking for ideas/recommendations as to how to wire for Atmos. So far, this is the best piece of info I found:


http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-th...e-theaters/#/7


I am wired now for traditional 7.2 and my room is the typical "rectangle" (20x40) with 9' ceilings. I will happily wire for more... I have 3 weeks before the drywall goes up!


I was going to pull cable for the 4 ceiling speakers - which I believe makes my system 7.2.4. Is this correct?


I see no mention on the website linked above in my post for "height" speakers. What is the general consensus on those?


If anybody has other recommend "general" speaker layouts, I'd appreciate the info. All I can seem to find is info pertaining to commercial theaters.
+1. If possible, hold off on the drywalling. Current product announcements have been maxing out with 4 in ceiling speakers but nobody knows if that is just a first gen limitation or not. We also dont know what positions are recommended yet for in ceiling speakers other than if doing all 4, you will have two in front and two in back of the MLP. Too many unknowns at this point for any meaningful advice to be given. But if you cant delay the drywalling then make sure you put extra speaker cable up there and set yourself up now to be able to fish the cable where you need it more easily. Good luck and I'm envious. I'm not quite there yet but hope to be soon with the same layout and about the same size room.

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I would delay that drywall job a little bit. There is no information on optimal speaker placement yet for home Atmos or even DTS-UHD. It's all just speculation and generic pictures to go off right now. Though, I would also wire for front wide side surrounds while you're at it.


Unfortunately, I have a signed contract with the contractor.... I cannot delay the drywall. I'm spending every night in the basement pulling cables into walls he built just that day. I'm having a hard time keeping up as it is!!!


I guess I will wire for 4 speakers in the ceiling and two speakers high above the front left and right channels. I've already wired for 4 subs - one in each corner of the room.


The nature of the room will make it VERY hard to fish cables after the fact, so I guess I am using what little info is available to me today and hope it covers MOST of what I MIGHT need in the future. Thanks to all for the input!

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I trust you're aware that subs sound better (produce the most accurate sound) when they're in the middle of a wall or at a 1/4 point. When they're in a corner the frequencies which correspond to the dimensions of the room get the most energy. Subs placed there sound louder but not better.

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Unfortunately, I have a signed contract with the contractor.... I cannot delay the drywall. I'm spending every night in the basement pulling cables into walls he built just that day. I'm having a hard time keeping up as it is!!!


I guess I will wire for 4 speakers in the ceiling and two speakers high above the front left and right channels. I've already wired for 4 subs - one in each corner of the room.


The nature of the room will make it VERY hard to fish cables after the fact, so I guess I am using what little info is available to me today and hope it covers MOST of what I MIGHT need in the future.
I would also wire for the front wide side surrounds (probably more useful than height speakers just above the left/right speakers). I wouldn't worry about the extra screen speakers (green) unless you have a really BIG front projection screen. But do look at the additions to the standard 7.1 spread: front wides (dark purple) and the top layer (lavender). That should cover the basics.


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I trust you're aware that subs sound better (produce the most accurate sound) when they're in the middle of a wall or at a 1/4 point. When they're in a corner the frequencies which correspond to the dimensions of the room get the most energy. Subs placed there sound louder but not better.
+1

Bass loading in corners is bad. It sets you up for bloated, boomy bass. You normally want bass traps in the corners of the room where walls and walls/ceilings intersect.

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I would also wire for the front wide side surrounds. I wouldn't worry about the extra screen speakers (green) unless you have a really BIG front projection screen. But do look at the additions to the standard 7.1 spread: front wides (dark purple) and the top layer (lavender). That should cover the basics.



This is fantastic! Thank you!


So if I'm reading this correctly, I will place the "front wide" (dark purple) speakers on the left/right walls toward the front of my room - in front of my first row of seating?
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This is a rough layout of my room. Does the blue circles location sound about right or the .4 ceiling speakers?
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This is fantastic! Thank you!


So if I'm reading this correctly, I will place the "front wide" (dark purple) speakers on the left/right walls toward the front of my room - in front of my first row of seating?
Correct. They're designed to fill in the gap between the screen speakers and the traditional surround locations. They're angled towards the listening sweet spot in the room.

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This is fantastic! Thank you!


So if I'm reading this correctly, I will place the "front wide" (dark purple) speakers on the left/right walls toward the front of my room - in front of my first row of seating?
Maybe. That diagram is for movie theaters. We don't know how theater mixes will be packaged for Atmos at home and what speaker locations are best.

Specific speaker setup recommendations for theaters can be found in http://www.dolby.com/uploadedFiles/A...ifications.pdf

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