Originally Posted by steven13
I read in an "Auro 3D-FAQ" (http://www.grobi-shop.tv/seiten/Auro3D_FAQ.pdf
) that we will soon see an Auro 3D capable Receiver from Denon (and Marantz and some others). This statement is obviousely from the owner/inventor of the Auro system. So wht Denon could that be?
If one were really optimistic, it is possible (though not likely) that Auro 3D could be introduced to the new Denons (e.g. x5200w) via the upgrade/"add-new-feature" process detailed on page 247 of the manual. Besides the simple fact that this is extremely unlikely, there is also the issue of slightly different layouts (e.g. Auro has Center Height and VOG speakers that Atmos/DolbySurround/Neo:X/DSX don't support and I don't see how they could be implemented using the current pre-outs/speaker-terminals. So, probably a future model. The 5300 mayhaps?
Originally Posted by kbarnes701
Very helpful post - thanks. I won’t bother with wides on reflection. Until I have a lot of Atmos discs, I will be using upmixing (Dolby Surround) for my thousands of legacy discs and if DS can’t handle wides then they won't get much use. Maybe best to wait for Gen 2 and see what that brings before I try to squeeze in a pair of wides.
Now I'm starting to get worried about this. Installing all this stuff on the ceiling is going to be no small task and with little Atmos content at the beginning early adoption may not be wise. My experience with height channels (using the Denon 4311, which incidentally does not have Neo:X) is that DSX can be pretty cool but sometimes detrimental to the point where I have to turn it off (usually with poorly mixed material). PLIIz is usually harmless, so it has been my go to set-it-and-forget-it setting because I can leave it on all the time (except for music), but on the other hand is so subtle I hardly notice a difference most of the time. Therefore, I assume the new "Dolby Surround" will be "good" like PLIIz was, however, the effect will probably be pretty subtle because it can be difficult to tease out meaningful height information from standard soundtracks. (I would guess, because the more aggressively you apply your upmixing, the more likely you are to have a detrimental effect that would make a user turn the upmixing off. And the less agressive you are with your upmixing, the more likely the user is to say "meh", not use it, and write on the forums that it "isn't worth it"... so a catch 22).
However, I may just go for 7.2.4 with the 5200 anyway and use Dolby Surround until I get some Atmos content (as you have stated), just because I'm crazy like that... and it will be awesome once ATMOS content arrives.
Originally Posted by batpig
Young Padawan, you have come far since the days of sitting your back surrounds on the washing machine
Now, on to Front Wide speakers. Let's take the most complex case of a full 13ch connection with 7.1 + front wides + 4 elevated speakers. I think you are absolutely correct that you would need 4 channels of external amplification to accomodate all the possibilities (which makes sense to me, because each speaker is connected to only one output).
For example, one option would be to set "Height Speakers" to "4 Height Speakers", then set "Wide/Height2" to power the Top Rear speakers. To get 13 speakers connected as optional output you would then need to select the "Front & Front Wide" Pre-out setting. With this combo of settings, the nine internal amps will power center + four surrunds + four elevated speakers, and the four external amps will power front + front wides. Dolby Surround or Dolby Atmos mode will use the 7.1.4 speakers (wides are silent). In order to get the wides to play you would need to switch to Neo:X or DSX. Furthermore, in order to get the front wides AND the front heights playing (full 11ch Neo:X/DSX) the first two height speakers must have been designated as "Front Height" in the Height Layout menu.
Thanks batpig. I learned how to read these Denon manuals after extensive training from your tutorials and expertise.
The one thing I still am not clear on is this
On page 287, there is a double circle next to "Front Wide L/R" on the line labelled "Dolby Atmos" which implies that under some set of circumstances, sound can come out of the Wide channels when playing native Atmos content
On page 43, it says "You can connect speakers for up to 13-channels for MAIN ZONE by using an external power amplifier. When you connect speakers for 12 or more channels, the output speakers automatically switch according to the input signal and sound mode."
On page 210 under the section "When “Height Speakers” is set to “4 Height Speakers” and “Wide/Height2” is set to “Front Wide”, it states that "When one set of pre-amp outputs are used, a maximum 11.1-channel audio can be output when Dolby Atmos or Dolby Surround are played back."
My question is, under what circumstance would sound come out of the Wide speakers when playing true ATMOS content?
The only answer I can think of is if you have ONLY have one pair of heights and a pair of wides (i.e. 9.2.2) and you are playing native ATMOS content, it will map "object" data to the wides.
However if you have four ceiling speakers *and* wides, it will always play to the four ceiling speakers and never the wides.
Hey, this is all mega confusing, but at least we are talking about actual things from the manual instead of speculation, like before.