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Thumbs up Dolby Atmos Trailer Clips

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Interesting, these clips sound really good on my computer speakers (HK Soundsticks) and give lateral imaging way outside them; one sound seemed to come directly from my side.
From my PC speakers too, as well from my laptop (internal/external speakers) with ACID Music Studio 9.0 or Sound Forge Audio Studio.
And I can manually mix the audio to my heart contentment. ...Just the way young pro audio lovers do.

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Call me an optimist - key question is how Atmos will do up mixing are current formats. Hopefully someone attending a demo can ask to hear that. I believe FilmMixer has also send that Dolby has stated that up mixing performs well. It would be great to not be tempted to replace favorites like Private Ryan assuming a new Atmos mix was released for that film.
Replacing the audio soundtrack mix of SPR? ...No, but improving upon it with Dolby Atmos YES.
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Call me an optimist - key question is how Atmos will do up mixing are current formats. Hopefully someone attending a demo can ask to hear that. I believe FilmMixer has also send that Dolby has stated that up mixing performs well. It would be great to not be tempted to replace favorites like Private Ryan assuming a new Atmos mix was released for that film.

And you'll face a somewhat different set of decision issues if Saving Private Ryan's existing DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 soundtrack is "replaced" on BD only by a remixed DTS-UHD soundtrack...?!
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Yes - decision would be picking the correct lottery numbers. I have 800 blu-rays besides some HD-DVDs. There are some great mixes out there without the coming audio enhancements. Damn this hobby
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Yes - decision would be picking the correct lottery numbers. I have 800 blu-rays besides some HD-DVDs. There are some great mixes out there without the coming audio enhancements. Damn this hobby
I only have 750 Blu Rays and 400 DVDs so I guess I might be triple dipping as well, fortunately most of the movies were bought for less that $9.99 each except for Disney classics!!!
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Interesting, these clips sound really good on my computer speakers (HK Soundsticks) and give lateral imaging way outside them; one sound seemed to come directly from my side.
Same here - especially noticeable on "Amaze".
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Yes, but first you need to find that post ID number, right?
Well yes, but if you are linking someone to a post, I am assuming you must know where the post is The unique ID is the last number in that post's url.
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Call me an optimist - key question is how Atmos will do up mixing are current formats. Hopefully someone attending a demo can ask to hear that. I believe FilmMixer has also send that Dolby has stated that up mixing performs well. It would be great to not be tempted to replace favorites like Private Ryan assuming a new Atmos mix was released for that film.
I asked this at the London demo: they said it worked "very well" but they had no actual demo available. I will ask again at the Dolby demo I am attending on 13th August and will report back. I too am very interested in "Dolby Surround" (as they are calling it) for the obvious reason that, like many people, I have over 1,500 movies that are not Atmos mixes
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As I mentioned to Scott, it may be that Sony and Warner Brothers might not be playing ball this time around... at least for initial releases. Two of their summer Atmos mixed blockbusters have had their specs published already and they happen to list DTS Master Audio. On Spider-Man 2, Sony pulled a Gravity and released it with only a 5.1 track.

What kind of ---- are some of these guys pulling?
Current Bluray releases are not Atmos Blurays, for obvious reasons, so they will have DTS tracks if that is the particular studio's usual codec. I don't think you can draw any conclusions from what Sony and/or Warner are releasing pre-Atmos. What else could they do? If they want to release the Bluray right now, they can't release it as an Atmos Bluray, so they release it in their normal way. Seems reasonable.

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The only other thing I can think of is that some may be intending to release separate, limited or "special" edition Dolby Atmos discs apart from their normal lineup. :shrugs:
Well yes... movies released theatrically this summer with Atmos mixes, and since released on Bluray -- eg Noah -- have DTS mixes. When Atmos arrives this Autumn, they will be released as Atmos Blurays. Future movies mixed in Atmos will be released as Atmos Blurays.

You really are a "glass is half empty" kinda guy, Dan LOL
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I asked this at the London demo: they said it worked "very well" but they had no actual demo available. I will ask again at the Dolby demo I am attending on 13th August and will report back.
Bring something with you they could play ?

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This is weird. There is a page 91 to this thread - I can see it in the page menu bar thing. But I can't actually get to it - when I click the page number for 91 it takes me to the previous page every time. Which means I can't actually see this post as it is on another page that I can't reach!

EDIT - and now it's back! Clicked a link from an email notification and it brought me to p91. Bug?

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Bring something with you they could play ?
I'll take something, but I doubt they will want to go off message at a presentation like this (assuming they weren't going to demo upmixing anyway I mean).
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I'll take something, but I doubt they will want to go off message at a presentation like this (assuming they weren't going to demo upmixing anyway I mean).
One could hope they might consider doing it once the planned demo was completed.

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One could hope they might consider doing it once the planned demo was completed.
They do a whole day of demos in two hour slots, so there is no time after one's allotted slot has ended as they need to move on to the next group of attendees.
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They do a whole day of demos in two hour slots, so there is no time after one's allotted slot has ended as they need to move on to the next group of attendees.
Pick the last group for the day then?

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Not my choice.
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You found Keith's post but the better reference is the more detailed discussion a few pages earlier where PoshFrosh and myself were analyzing the Denon model...


...So in short I think the paranoia is unfounded. If you have an existing pair of Front Height speakers and you don't want to relocate them, and just want to add a pair of in-ceilings and then use a x.x.4 Atmos layout, you will be fine.

Just to follow up on my question as to whether existing Front Heights can be used with Atmos I received the following response from Denon support....


"Specifically for Atmos these channels cannot be used, however with our AV receivers they are usually capable of providing extra Dolby PLII processing for other channels aside from the core audio channels being sent to the receiver.

While these channels would not be Atmos channels as such they would be getting audio processed to them while Atmos is being decoded providing the channels are enabled in the speaker configuration menu. You would also need to select the relevant option from the list of sound modes when the receiver starts to decode Atmos for the first time."


My paranoia is playing up again...
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*rummaging for the Denon to English dictionary*
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My take: "The Atmos decoder can't utilize speakers defined as Front Heights but the user can send the decoded/rendered Atmos channels through PLII for upmixing."

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I only have 750 Blu Rays and 400 DVDs so I guess I might be triple dipping as well, fortunately most of the movies were bought for less that $9.99 each except for Disney classics!!!


Well I only have 1145 blu-rays and 283 dvds but whose counting!

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My take: "The Atmos decoder can't utilize speakers defined as Front Heights but the user can send the decoded/rendered Atmos channels through PLII for upmixing."
But not what it says in the Denon user manual.

And PLII has gone, BTW. It's been replaced with "Dolby Surround".
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Just to follow up on my question as to whether existing Front Heights can be used with Atmos I received the following response from Denon support....


"Specifically for Atmos these channels cannot be used, however with our AV receivers they are usually capable of providing extra Dolby PLII processing for other channels aside from the core audio channels being sent to the receiver.

While these channels would not be Atmos channels as such they would be getting audio processed to them while Atmos is being decoded providing the channels are enabled in the speaker configuration menu. You would also need to select the relevant option from the list of sound modes when the receiver starts to decode Atmos for the first time."


My paranoia is playing up again...
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*rummaging for the Denon to English dictionary*
Yes, we need batpig's authoritative translation.

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My take: "The Atmos decoder can't utilize speakers defined as Front Heights but the user can send the decoded/rendered Atmos channels through PLII for upmixing."
That parsing would make sense to me, except for three factors:

(1) As we all know by now, there will be no PLII on these models; it has been supplanted by Dolby Surround. This may be a matter of simple nomenclature, but it implies to me a lack of clear analysis on the part of the Denon support rep.

(2) The (European model) X5200W manual (p. 287) shows that Dolby Atmos (as opposed to the Dolby Surround up-mixing process) can utilize all speakers. So there is at least some measure of inconsistency between the manual and the support rep's reply.

(3) One would think that there would be at least a footnote included with the Height Layout configuration diagrams (e.g., p. 212 of the manual) to advise the user that selecting one of the pairings that includes heights in lieu of tops or Dolby speakers will impact on the true Atmos rendering.
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That parsing would make sense to me, except for three factors:

(1) As we all know by now, there will be no PLII on these models; it has been supplanted by Dolby Surround. This may be a matter of simple nomenclature, but it implies to me a lack of clear analysis on the part of the Denon support rep.

(2) The (European model) X5200W manual (p. 287) shows that Dolby Atmos (as opposed to the Dolby Surround up-mixing process) can utilize all speakers except for front wides. So there is at least some measure of inconsistency between the manual and the support rep's reply.

(3) One would think that there would be at least a footnote included with the Height Layout configuration diagrams (e.g., p. 212 of the manual) to advise the user that selecting one of the pairings that includes heights in lieu of tops or Dolby speakers will impact on the true Atmos rending.
Quite right. I just tried a translation, I didn't say the Denon support rep knows what he's talking about. I could show you emails...

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Yes, we need batpig's authoritative translation.
It wouldn’t be the first time that manufacturer support guys have lacked basic understanding of the products they are meant to support. Until proven otherwise, I'd trust batpig more than some guy at Denon reading answers he doesn't understand off a screen.
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It wouldn’t be the first time that manufacturer support guys have lacked basic understanding of the products they are meant to support. Until proven otherwise, I'd trust batpig more than some guy at Denon reading answers he doesn't understand off a screen.

I should add they also prefixed it with:
"As we haven't had a chance to physically get our hands on one yet we had to check this with our engineers, i apologise for any delay."
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It wouldn’t be the first time that manufacturer support guys have lacked basic understanding of the products they are meant to support. Until proven otherwise, I'd trust batpig more than some guy at Denon reading answers he doesn't understand off a screen.
I might trust "some guy at Denon" (although still not as well as batpig ), but the reply undoubtedly came from Denon's contract support team who have a well-documented, uh, well, let's say "spotty" record for accuracy.
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I should add they also prefixed it with:
"As we haven't had a chance to physically get our hands on one yet we had to check this with our engineers, i apologise for any delay."
Ah - engineers. Right....

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I might trust "some guy at Denon" (although still not as well as batpig ), but the reply undoubtedly came from Denon's contract support team who have a well-documented, uh, well, let's say "spotty" record for accuracy.
Not to mention the response was in a form of English that isn't all that well-known to me, and mentioned a technology that has been replaced ...

I wonder how they'd explain what the user manual says...
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