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Hey wait-- here's the perfect "home" product that should be perfect...and only nearing $50,000
For the 32-channel version, not the 8-channel version.

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Dolby Atmos Comes Home in New Onkyo AVRs, Pre/Pro

Unfortunately, no more Audyssey!!Just their version of AutoEQ?
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This Twice article explains a little more about Atmos on Blu-ray content.
I like the conclusion

"At the very least, Atmos will encourage sales of new AVRs and Atmos-enabled speaker modules, which could be placed on top of existing speakers to deliver overhead effects. ".... "Installers and A/V specialists, rejoice!"
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So I mention only 7 or 9 speakers being active at any given time and you're asking if that will require 24 or 34 outputs? After I specifically said this is about flexibility (choices), not quantity (34 speakers)?

Being able to choose 7 out of 24 speaker locations doesn't require more than 7 outputs. For example, I can be given the choice of surrounds slightly forward of the listening position or surrounds directly to the sides of the listening position or surrounds slightly rearward of the listening position. But those 6 location choices only require 2 outputs for a pair of surrounds. What's important is that the rendering engine has some idea of their location. No, just a little more flexibility than 1st generation consumer Atmos gear.

Speaker delays are a variable, not fixed. Delays are set based on manual entry by the user or automatically via a calibration routine. Same with speaker levels. Same with speaker crossovers.

Speaker angles are fixed, not variable, in Atmos receivers. In the DSP there is a table that tells the Atmos decoder the assumed angle for each speaker, so that the rendering engine can map objects to those speaker locations. Someone made the decision to have those those angles fixed to certain default numbers, unlike delays and levels and crossovers.

If you replace those numbers with different values, the rendering engine will map to those locations. It is going to have to use some set of locations for mapping the sound anyway, so it might as well be the locations where your speakers actually are, instead of some assumed default.

Early AVRs used to give you a choice of Large or Small speakers, which would invoke a crossover at some fixed default value. Eventually, you got to replace that fixed value with the actual low frequency roll-off of your speakers. Didn't require pro gear to do that. I'd like that sort of flexibility for speaker angles. Shouldn't require pro gear to do that.

Correct. I asked how these choices should be applied and gave TWO rational options, not one...and one of them included the ability to assign a much smaller number of output terminals- speaker, rca, etc.

Again, how much "assigning" outputs matters is absolutely unknown at this point and, based upon what I mentioned above, could very well be extremely inconsequential. Again; a lot of speculation over a methodology we know little about.

Ditto for speaker angles. Let's get an actual product and some learned expertise/knowledge before we determine how woefully inflexible and deficient this yet-to-exist product is.

Sounds reasonable to me.

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For the 32-channel version, not the 8-channel version.
Oh- my bad. I'm certain the other's a veritable home-user bargain.

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I wonder if there's a bit of imprecision in the Twice article when the content is said to be "optimized" for 7.1.4. I can surely understand that a 7.1.4 speaker system would be a good representation, just as a 7.1 playback of a 7.1 soundtrack is a good representation. Package labeling aside, I do not see how an object-based soundtrack implies anything about the speaker system aside from the bed channels, which may be 5.1 or 7.1.
I sure hope they will cover 9.1.4 I love the 9 surround speakers on the same plane

Marantz AV8802 might be able to?
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Not sure if it was addressed, didnt see it but on these ATMOS capable speakers that are basically aiming at the ceiling, are they going to be adjustable so you can change the angle to bettet suit various room sizes or will they be sold at different angles for different size rooms depending on where you end up sitting, or it just throwing a very wide sound field so it covers the whole room but wont be nearly as "pin point" for left and right, left rear, right rear sound compared to if you installed physical ceiling speakers?

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Not sure if it was addressed, didnt see it but on these ATMOS capable speakers that are basically aiming at the ceiling, are they going to be adjustable so you can change the angle to bettet suit various room sizes or will they be sold at different angles for different size rooms depending on where you end up sitting, or it just throwing a very wide sound field so it covers the whole room but wont be nearly as "pin point" for left and right, left rear, right rear sound compared to if you installed physical ceiling speakers?
I think they're pretty much one size fits all. You have to have a flat, hard ceiling between 8 and 14 feet tall.

The best thing to do is wait for in-ceiling or on-ceiling Atmos friendly speakers. CEDIA will be the first convention where preliminary products will be introduced.

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HDMI specs?

Regarding the TX-NR1030 the following was quoted: "Unfortunately, the HDMI ports operate at 10.2 Gbps, not the full 18 Gbps of fully implemented HDMI 2.0, so they can't handle anything more than 4K/UHD at 60 fps with 8-bit, 4:2:0 color."


Is this true of the TX-NR3030 as well?

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From the Pioneer LX88 thread a posting by a well regarded Pioneer rep infers that nobody will have HDMI 2.0 18 gbps and HDCP 2.2 this year.

"Regarding HDCP 2.2, none of our AVR's support it this year. Pioneer (As well as Denon and Yamaha) opted for full bandwidth HDMI 2.0 (18gbps) so that we can support 4:4:4 content as well as high dynamic range and expanded color gamut signals which require more that 10.2gbps. There currently is not a single chip solution that offers both 18gbps and HDCP 2.2. Onkyo decided to go with HDCP 2.2 by using a different brand HDMI repeater, however there HDMI 2.0 solution only offers 10.2gbps of bandwidth (Same has HDMI 1.4). "

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This from the Onkyo website for the TX-NR3030:




Key Features
  • Dolby Atmos® Multidimensional Sound
  • THX® Select2™ Plus for Reference-Level Sound
  • Latest HDMI® for 4K/60 Hz Video and HDCP 2.2
  • 4K Video Upscaling and ISF Calibration
  • Three HDMI Outputs for Multizone Video

No mention that I could find about the data rate on the TX-NR3030... I guess for now both top specs can not be had.

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The older Onkyo 1010 is THX Ultra2 rated but the newer 1030 is only THX Select2 rated?
Degrading quality of amps?
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Regarding the TX-NR1030 the following was quoted: "Unfortunately, the HDMI ports operate at 10.2 Gbps, not the full 18 Gbps of fully implemented HDMI 2.0, so they can't handle anything more than 4K/UHD at 60 fps with 8-bit, 4:2:0 color."


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From the Pioneer LX88 thread a posting by a well regarded Pioneer rep infers that nobody will have HDMI 2.0 18 gbps and HDCP 2.2 this year.

"Regarding HDCP 2.2, none of our AVR's support it this year. Pioneer (As well as Denon and Yamaha) opted for full bandwidth HDMI 2.0 (18gbps) so that we can support 4:4:4 content as well as high dynamic range and expanded color gamut signals which require more that 10.2gbps. There currently is not a single chip solution that offers both 18gbps and HDCP 2.2. Onkyo decided to go with HDCP 2.2 by using a different brand HDMI repeater, however there HDMI 2.0 solution only offers 10.2gbps of bandwidth (Same has HDMI 1.4). "

Pioneer SC LX88 - 9.2 ch, Dolby Amos, HDMI 2.0

As this seems to indicate a lower capability as it relates to video signals I may be waiting until Onkyo can sort this out...

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The older Onkyo 1010 is THX Ultra2 rated but the newer 1030 is only THX Select2 rated?
Degrading quality of amps?
I noticed this as well kind of question if Select certification costs less then Ultra. Only big difference with ULtra is amp power so maybe Onkyo is looking to see if there customers care about ultra vs select...
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I noticed this as well kind of question if Select certification costs less then Ultra. Only big difference with ULtra is amp power so maybe Onkyo is looking to see if there customers care about ultra vs select...
It also comes down to the average room size, so my guess the average person has a room size more suitable for the select series then those with much larger rooms that would use the Ultra series.

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whit dolby atmos you need change de spécification,the ultra is for see you tv plus 15 feets,and the select is, around 10 to 12 feets,whit the dolby atmos you no need big


place because the dolby atmos système is more spacification ,the distribution to the son is more ,more dispertion.


And the onkyo tx-nr3030 he have true 11.4 discret channels ,is only him for now he make 7.4.4,for other cie denon,marrantz and pioneer he have just 9.2 channels,he


make just 7.2.2.


for this other cie you need put 2 channels power ampli, it more expensif exemple Yamaha x-a3040.


For this years the tx-nr3030 onkyo in the box séparate the transformateur audio and video and we have 2 dsp bit 32 ,the son is same thing super cd listen ,that why this


recever is more musical this year and that why change the odyssé system,whit dolby atmos you no need big power ,you need finesse.
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Onkyo whit dolby together work and make test whit ACCUQ,why no put audyssey,because whit dolby atmos you have 4 seakers reflection or 4 seakers in ceilling ,that make very big différence ,whit 5.1 or 7.1 normal you make 360 degry arround whit the sound,but whit dolby atmos you have the sound in the top ,that why you no need audyssey.


Somes house cinema spécialist com from europe make tests whit onkyo prépo 5530 and tx-nr3030,the room is 20x20whit 8 feets to the top.


1;make test whit 5.2.4 speaker whit reflextion .
2; 7.2.4 ¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸ ¸¸¸¸.
3 5.2.4speaker in ceilling
4 7.2.4¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸¸ ¸¸¸¸¸.
5 9.2.2speaker whit reflextion.
6 9.2.2speaker in ceilling
he make first test whit dolby atmos and second whit dolby surround and dts neo x.


the best sound whit dolby atmos and 7.2.4 whit in ceilling speaker.you work whit recever dolby atmos but no sound track atmos same thing pearl harbor or lord of the ring the dolby surround is terrific and after dts neo x.


the sound track test make whit dolby atmos TRANSFORMER AGE OF EXTINCTION IMAX 3D AND THE EXPENDABLES 3.

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Hi all do not beat me up i have been an Denon ower for years. I see that the onkyo 3030 has about everything you can get in a AVR receiver . Now Denon has the x7200 out but is missing thing. Can some of you Onkyo owner tell me why you like the Onkyo 3030 and why it is better than the Denon x7200. PS Do the Onkyo run hot and are they louder when switching . Thanks all
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Hi all do not beat me up i have been an Denon ower for years. I see that the onkyo 3030 has about everything you can get in a AVR receiver . Now Denon has the x7200 out but is missing thing. Can some of you Onkyo owner tell me why you like the Onkyo 3030 and why it is better than the Denon x7200. PS Do the Onkyo run hot and are they louder when switching . Thanks all
The only thing the 3030 would have over the Denon 7200 would be the extra channels of power. Otherwise it is not fully compliant with the new 4K blu-ray copy protection and to my knowledge can't be upgraded like the 7200 promises. For me I decided to move away from the Onkyo and get a Denon/Marantz and just add a separate amplifier. If you don't care about the 4K blu ray thing then the 3030 is great for an Atmos setup of 7.1.4 right out of the box. I have had many Onkyos and have not had any issues.
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The only thing the 3030 would have over the Denon 7200 would be the extra channels of power. Otherwise it is not fully compliant with the new 4K blu-ray copy protection and to my knowledge can't be upgraded like the 7200 promises. For me I decided to move away from the Onkyo and get a Denon/Marantz and just add a separate amplifier. If you don't care about the 4K blu ray thing then the 3030 is great for an Atmos setup of 7.1.4 right out of the box. I have had many Onkyos and have not had any issues.
From what I have read is that the 4K BD spec is: The standard will continue to use 4:2:0 chroma subsampling


And the 3030 can pass a 4K 60 Hz BD signal... at that colour depth.


Now as for a DTS-X upgrade I don't know if Onkyo has responded to that.

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From what I have read is that the 4K BD spec is: The standard will continue to use 4:2:0 chroma subsampling


And the 3030 can pass a 4K 60 Hz BD signal... at that colour depth.


Now as for a DTS-X upgrade I don't know if Onkyo has responded to that.
If memory serves, Onkyo decided not to use the same kind of processing horsepower as Denon's flagship (or for any of their products), so they may not have the extra "oomph" to include DTS-X via a firmware upgrade. One reason they dropped Audyssey calibration.

Of course, we may not even get DTS-X in the 7200 depending on its requirements.

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whit onkyo tx-nr3030 you have 11 true channels direct ,whit denon and marrantz you have just 9 channels ,you need amplifire whit 2 channels for make 11 channel and for dolby atmos 7.1.4 is the best.
whit denon and marrantz is more expensif when you put two mores channels for make 11 cahnnels.


that why i have onkyo tx-nr 3030 and beleive me IS THE BEST.


Now i have 7.5.4 whit onkyo tx-nr3030.
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And for dts-x, no body now how dts-x working ,i thing is exactly samething dolby atmos and he have no problem (onkyo tx3030) for receive firmware to dts-x.
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I guess we will have to see if the 3030 can be upgraded via firmware to provide DTS-X

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Been looking at the Onyko 3030 and the Denon x7200. By going over this blog some of you have at one time had a Denon product. So with all the goodies the Onyko 3030 has and the Denon still missing some goodies (HDCP2.2) for one why is the Onyko $2300 and the Denon $3000. Is there a build quality. I do see the Onyko has no HD radio but it has THX, 11.2, HDCP 2.2. Can someone that has both or seen or used both help me out Thank you.
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Been looking at the Onyko 3030 and the Denon x7200. By going over this blog some of you have at one time had a Denon product. So with all the goodies the Onyko 3030 has and the Denon still missing some goodies (HDCP2.2) for one why is the Onyko $2300 and the Denon $3000. Is there a build quality. I do see the Onyko has no HD radio but it has THX, 11.2, HDCP 2.2. Can someone that has both or seen or used both help me out Thank you.
I have seen and heard the 3030 but have not seen the 7200 yet. I have seen and listened to the 5200. I couldn't really tell any audible difference between the two units. As for build quality, I have owned 4 Denons and 3 Onkyos. I would give the edge to Denon at least in the last few years. For me they seemed to have better cooling. I would expect the 7200 to run a bit cooler than the 3030 but most likely not sound a whole lot different. I, like others am still curious is the lack of Audyssey makes a noticeable difference or not. $700 is a pretty big difference and My guess is you can find a 3030 for closer to 2K if you look. Not sure you can really go wrong with either this early in the game. If you waited until the 2nd generation of receivers comes out you are probably more future proof, but who wants to wait a year....Not me, I tend to sell my receivers every year or two anyway.
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Like you i like new receiver about every two years i now have an Denon 4520 it is just ok. I sold one e- bay my Denon 5308ci with the 3D upgrade that was a dumb move dumb, dumb, I did 5308 for 3 years just wanted something new at the time. I jump because the 5308 was going down big time on e-bay and 4520 was selling for a short time under $1000. I think i will try to hold out to see what Onyko, and Denon come out with in late spring. Look like Denon is behind HDCP 2.2 dts-x. Thank you
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(nitro 28) Is you serious when you said do not see any différence between 5200 and tx-nr 3030,they onkyo beat the denon 5200 in home theater listering,and this year the implanted componants to make more musical if that makes in the best in music whit they other Yamaha 3040 is good for the music to.i paid 300 dollars for listering all receiver av dolby atmos 2014 in the electronic house ,the sound spécialiste regard whit the sound lever meter and make the best calibration for each receiver av .
this year 2014 are all dolby atmos does not melt the weight ase said face to onkyo tx-nr3030,but can be next year whit new one receiver 2015.
And the sound spécialist when is listering they onkyo tx-nr3030 said ,i change ma Yamaha 3030 for onkyo tx-nr3030.
the best sound and power and musical is;
ONKYO
YAMAHA
MARRANTZ
PIONEER
DENON
that why i buy onkyo tx-nr3030
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