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Hey wait-- here's the perfect "home" product that should be perfect...and only nearing $50,000
For the 32-channel version, not the 8-channel version.

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Dolby Atmos Comes Home in New Onkyo AVRs, Pre/Pro

Unfortunately, no more Audyssey!!Just their version of AutoEQ?
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This Twice article explains a little more about Atmos on Blu-ray content.
I like the conclusion

"At the very least, Atmos will encourage sales of new AVRs and Atmos-enabled speaker modules, which could be placed on top of existing speakers to deliver overhead effects. ".... "Installers and A/V specialists, rejoice!"
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So I mention only 7 or 9 speakers being active at any given time and you're asking if that will require 24 or 34 outputs? After I specifically said this is about flexibility (choices), not quantity (34 speakers)?

Being able to choose 7 out of 24 speaker locations doesn't require more than 7 outputs. For example, I can be given the choice of surrounds slightly forward of the listening position or surrounds directly to the sides of the listening position or surrounds slightly rearward of the listening position. But those 6 location choices only require 2 outputs for a pair of surrounds. What's important is that the rendering engine has some idea of their location. No, just a little more flexibility than 1st generation consumer Atmos gear.

Speaker delays are a variable, not fixed. Delays are set based on manual entry by the user or automatically via a calibration routine. Same with speaker levels. Same with speaker crossovers.

Speaker angles are fixed, not variable, in Atmos receivers. In the DSP there is a table that tells the Atmos decoder the assumed angle for each speaker, so that the rendering engine can map objects to those speaker locations. Someone made the decision to have those those angles fixed to certain default numbers, unlike delays and levels and crossovers.

If you replace those numbers with different values, the rendering engine will map to those locations. It is going to have to use some set of locations for mapping the sound anyway, so it might as well be the locations where your speakers actually are, instead of some assumed default.

Early AVRs used to give you a choice of Large or Small speakers, which would invoke a crossover at some fixed default value. Eventually, you got to replace that fixed value with the actual low frequency roll-off of your speakers. Didn't require pro gear to do that. I'd like that sort of flexibility for speaker angles. Shouldn't require pro gear to do that.

Correct. I asked how these choices should be applied and gave TWO rational options, not one...and one of them included the ability to assign a much smaller number of output terminals- speaker, rca, etc.

Again, how much "assigning" outputs matters is absolutely unknown at this point and, based upon what I mentioned above, could very well be extremely inconsequential. Again; a lot of speculation over a methodology we know little about.

Ditto for speaker angles. Let's get an actual product and some learned expertise/knowledge before we determine how woefully inflexible and deficient this yet-to-exist product is.

Sounds reasonable to me.

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For the 32-channel version, not the 8-channel version.
Oh- my bad. I'm certain the other's a veritable home-user bargain.

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I wonder if there's a bit of imprecision in the Twice article when the content is said to be "optimized" for 7.1.4. I can surely understand that a 7.1.4 speaker system would be a good representation, just as a 7.1 playback of a 7.1 soundtrack is a good representation. Package labeling aside, I do not see how an object-based soundtrack implies anything about the speaker system aside from the bed channels, which may be 5.1 or 7.1.
I sure hope they will cover 9.1.4 I love the 9 surround speakers on the same plane

Marantz AV8802 might be able to?
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Onkyo Atmos Demo-

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Not sure if it was addressed, didnt see it but on these ATMOS capable speakers that are basically aiming at the ceiling, are they going to be adjustable so you can change the angle to bettet suit various room sizes or will they be sold at different angles for different size rooms depending on where you end up sitting, or it just throwing a very wide sound field so it covers the whole room but wont be nearly as "pin point" for left and right, left rear, right rear sound compared to if you installed physical ceiling speakers?

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Not sure if it was addressed, didnt see it but on these ATMOS capable speakers that are basically aiming at the ceiling, are they going to be adjustable so you can change the angle to bettet suit various room sizes or will they be sold at different angles for different size rooms depending on where you end up sitting, or it just throwing a very wide sound field so it covers the whole room but wont be nearly as "pin point" for left and right, left rear, right rear sound compared to if you installed physical ceiling speakers?
I think they're pretty much one size fits all. You have to have a flat, hard ceiling between 8 and 14 feet tall.

The best thing to do is wait for in-ceiling or on-ceiling Atmos friendly speakers. CEDIA will be the first convention where preliminary products will be introduced.

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HDMI specs?

Regarding the TX-NR1030 the following was quoted: "Unfortunately, the HDMI ports operate at 10.2 Gbps, not the full 18 Gbps of fully implemented HDMI 2.0, so they can't handle anything more than 4K/UHD at 60 fps with 8-bit, 4:2:0 color."


Is this true of the TX-NR3030 as well?

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From the Pioneer LX88 thread a posting by a well regarded Pioneer rep infers that nobody will have HDMI 2.0 18 gbps and HDCP 2.2 this year.

"Regarding HDCP 2.2, none of our AVR's support it this year. Pioneer (As well as Denon and Yamaha) opted for full bandwidth HDMI 2.0 (18gbps) so that we can support 4:4:4 content as well as high dynamic range and expanded color gamut signals which require more that 10.2gbps. There currently is not a single chip solution that offers both 18gbps and HDCP 2.2. Onkyo decided to go with HDCP 2.2 by using a different brand HDMI repeater, however there HDMI 2.0 solution only offers 10.2gbps of bandwidth (Same has HDMI 1.4). "

Pioneer SC LX88 - 9.2 ch, Dolby Amos, HDMI 2.0

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This from the Onkyo website for the TX-NR3030:




Key Features
  • Dolby Atmos® Multidimensional Sound
  • THX® Select2™ Plus for Reference-Level Sound
  • Latest HDMI® for 4K/60 Hz Video and HDCP 2.2
  • 4K Video Upscaling and ISF Calibration
  • Three HDMI Outputs for Multizone Video

No mention that I could find about the data rate on the TX-NR3030... I guess for now both top specs can not be had.

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The older Onkyo 1010 is THX Ultra2 rated but the newer 1030 is only THX Select2 rated?
Degrading quality of amps?
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Regarding the TX-NR1030 the following was quoted: "Unfortunately, the HDMI ports operate at 10.2 Gbps, not the full 18 Gbps of fully implemented HDMI 2.0, so they can't handle anything more than 4K/UHD at 60 fps with 8-bit, 4:2:0 color."


Is this true of the TX-NR3030 as well?
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From the Pioneer LX88 thread a posting by a well regarded Pioneer rep infers that nobody will have HDMI 2.0 18 gbps and HDCP 2.2 this year.

"Regarding HDCP 2.2, none of our AVR's support it this year. Pioneer (As well as Denon and Yamaha) opted for full bandwidth HDMI 2.0 (18gbps) so that we can support 4:4:4 content as well as high dynamic range and expanded color gamut signals which require more that 10.2gbps. There currently is not a single chip solution that offers both 18gbps and HDCP 2.2. Onkyo decided to go with HDCP 2.2 by using a different brand HDMI repeater, however there HDMI 2.0 solution only offers 10.2gbps of bandwidth (Same has HDMI 1.4). "

Pioneer SC LX88 - 9.2 ch, Dolby Amos, HDMI 2.0

As this seems to indicate a lower capability as it relates to video signals I may be waiting until Onkyo can sort this out...

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The older Onkyo 1010 is THX Ultra2 rated but the newer 1030 is only THX Select2 rated?
Degrading quality of amps?
I noticed this as well kind of question if Select certification costs less then Ultra. Only big difference with ULtra is amp power so maybe Onkyo is looking to see if there customers care about ultra vs select...
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I noticed this as well kind of question if Select certification costs less then Ultra. Only big difference with ULtra is amp power so maybe Onkyo is looking to see if there customers care about ultra vs select...
It also comes down to the average room size, so my guess the average person has a room size more suitable for the select series then those with much larger rooms that would use the Ultra series.

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