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Onkyo PR-SC5530 processor 11.4 Atmos - Hdmi 2.0 - Wifi + Bluetooth

Hi,

The Onkyo PR-SC5530 successor to the previous PR-SC5509 processor has been announced.

This Onkyo PR-SC5530 is THX Ultra 2 certified, has a 11.4 processing capacity through RCA & RCa outputs, integrates an AccuEQ acoustic "calibration", is Dolby Atmos compatible, with 8 video inputs and 3 outputs all HDMI 2.0 HDCP 2.2 compatible, a QDEO 4K video processor, and integrated WiFi & Bluetooth.

Availbabilty Sep 2014, price 2499$.

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http://www.onkyousa.com/Products/mod...urce=prodClass

http://www.uk.onkyo.com/en/articles/...nd-118123.html

http://www.uk.onkyo.com/en/products/...30-117878.html

http://www.uk.onkyo.com/downloads/2/...tasheet_EN.pdf (datasheet)
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Hi,

A competitor to the Onkyo PR-SC5530, the Marantz AV8802?

Marantz AV8802 13.2 XLR processor - HDMI 2.0 ISF - Wifi + Bluetooth details

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AccuEQ?... and not Audyssey anymore? Be interesting to get some reports on the performance of this room correction.
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Looks great! Now just let dem HDMI work proper .... over time. C'mon Onkyo.


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AccuEQ Calibration for Pure Audio Performance
As part of our Emotion, Delivered audio concept, which
brings together technologies that significantly improve both
stereo and multichannel sound quality, Onkyo introduces
the powerful AccuEQ room calibration system. AccuEQ
measures and corrects speaker distances, levels, crossovers,
and frequency response from one convenient listening
position to ensure clear and cohesive surround-sound while
enabling playback of 7.1-channel formats at 96 kHz (no
down-sampling). For the ultimate in pure stereo performance,
AccuEQ bypasses the front channels so the unique
characteristics of your loudspeakers can be enjoyed without
DSP correction to potentially alter the sound.
So that is what They say about that!

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Oh, and I would love to know what the meaning of the dual XLR's for each subwoofer out are purposed for! Very cool.

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Oh, and I would love to know what the meaning of the dual XLR's for each subwoofer out are purposed for! Very cool.
yeah, me too but I also just noticed the rear USB port missing. I actually use that for cooling fans on my Integra 80.2
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Just extra outlets to plug into. Saves some from that y-adapter.


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A competitor to the Onkyo PR-SC5530, the Marantz AV8802?

Marantz AV8802 13.2 XLR processor - HDMI 2.0 ISF - Wifi + Bluetooth details

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Hugo, no Atmos on the Marantz...That's an enormous nail in the coffin when competitors Pioneer and Onkyo plan on releasing Atmos processors this year. I'd NEVER buy a processor like that with the expectation that Atmos would be enabled by a later firmware update. If you are happy with the current feature set go for it. But Atmos is a big deal. I'm not sure I'll even be an early adopter on the Atmos platform - but it'll most certainly be a criteria in my choice of a new pre-amp when the time comes to loose my Onkyo PR-SC5508.

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Hugo, no Atmos on the Marantz...That's an enormous nail in the coffin when competitors Pioneer and Onkyo plan on releasing Atmos processors this year. I'd NEVER buy a processor like that with the expectation that Atmos would be enabled by a later firmware update. If you are happy with the current feature set go for it. But Atmos is a big deal. I'm not sure I'll even be an early adopter on the Atmos platform - but it'll most certainly be a criteria in my choice of a new pre-amp when the time comes to loose my Onkyo PR-SC5508.
Yeah, same here even though I am crazy excited about all this.

Seems like the smart play is to wait and hear what DTS intends to bring to the table. Not sure how long we will have to wait for that. Maybe a while.
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Hugo, no Atmos on the Marantz...That's an enormous nail in the coffin when competitors Pioneer and Onkyo plan on releasing Atmos processors this year. I'd NEVER buy a processor like that with the expectation that Atmos would be enabled by a later firmware update. If you are happy with the current feature set go for it. But Atmos is a big deal. I'm not sure I'll even be an early adopter on the Atmos platform - but it'll most certainly be a criteria in my choice of a new pre-amp when the time comes to loose my Onkyo PR-SC5508.

Incorrect bro! The new 7702 will indeed have atmos on it. Not sure if it technically is the actual replacement for the 8801, but it is a pre-pro and has seemingly all the same bells and whistles, along with the added ability to do 4k and atmos, etc....

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My bad! Last I'd read it was all 'promised' in a future update...

That said - my enthusiasm just entirely died. In the Dolby Home Atmos thread they are now noting that the version of atmos we are receiving for the home market won't be object based audio like the theater's version of Atmos.

Boooooo Hisss

The official Dolby Atmos thread (home theater version)

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Ummm... this is still very exciting for me.

I've been wanting true overhead content for a very, very long time and now I am getting it.

It sounds like you were only interested in Atmos to put speakers anywhere. I know I want the extra vector points even if they are just overhead. So really all that is 'missing' from the Atmos@home promise (as of right now) was some form of speaker re-mapping which I really could live without and have been forever.


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[QUOTE=Archaea;25234154]My bad! Last I'd read it was all 'promised' in a future update...

That said - my enthusiasm just entirely died. In the Dolby Home Atmos thread they are now noting that the version of atmos we are receiving for the home market won't be object based audio like the theater's version of Atmos.



Just another reason for them to make people upgrade a couple of years from now. I for one am not interested because I don't have the room for all those speakers and niether do any of my friends with a HT. Sorry but as the sharks say "I'm Out"
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Lol where are you guys seeing that 'for a fact' Dolby Atmos at release "won't be object based audio".

Lolwtf?


Maybe there will not be any speaker re-mapping function. Oh well.


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As the Atmos focus will be on the "ceiling speakers", there will be no additional angle information at all ... rather simply that the speakers will be identified as either "top front", "top middle", or "top rear" (based on the previously posted 4 configurations) and then Audyssey will do its thing just as it does with the traditional 5.1/7.1 setup.
This does not mean the data will not be on the disc. All this says is that the AVR itself will not know beyond that. This is pretty obvious as we all have seen in these announcements that these AVR/prepro's will not go beyond 7.1.4 audio.

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This might be a solid choice....but my bad luck with the 5508 and 5509 have left a bad taste in my mouth.

The lack of Audyssey is no biggie, IMO, since I am going another route on EQ side of things.
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Ummm... this is still very exciting for me.

I've been wanting true overhead content for a very, very long time and now I am getting it.

It sounds like you were only interested in Atmos to put speakers anywhere. I know I want the extra vector points even if they are just overhead. So really all that is 'missing' from the Atmos@home promise (as of right now) was some form of speaker re-mapping which I really could live without and have been forever.

HOLD UP....
I am interested in extra discrete channels (matrixed channels are pretty wortheless IMO) - but that's not why I'm disappointed.
The touted line about why Atmos was the most amazing upgrade since the release of the original 5.1 dolby digital functionality was because it was OBJECT ORIENTED AUDIO. The object based audio allowed you to hear audio as the mixers intended with less regard to exact channel placement (read optimal channel placement) or exact number of channels. They hype was that the sound was precisely mapped to your room. That Atmos would help everyone from those with a sound bar to those with speakers all over the room.

Here's to hoping we aren't dissapointed once more info comes out.

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Ah. Okay I hear ya on that.

Still.... it's pprrreeeettttyyyy early to just give up now.

Or you can wait. We all have to wait anyway.


Really all this means is that we have to stick to a proposed surround sound layout. Just exactly what we have been doing for decades now.

I'm happy we are getting overhead surrounds now. This is like moving up to 12ch discrete audio pretty much (all we have now is 8ch plus processed extra channels). And that's just for the time being. There could be much more in the future. That's pretty cool!


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Man, I just love the times when new major tech is on the horizon and there is rampant speculation that accompanies it by S.O.I.'s the likes of most of us around here (Seriously Obsessed Individuals). It just makes me smile to see arguments sometimes where both people literally end up being completely wrong in their stances when the actual Units actually come out....Not saying anyone here is, but I have seen it more than once and it always gives me a chuckle
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I think it's going to be great but eventually will be even greater.

I am still really curious as to why Onkyo is the only manufacturer stating that 9.1.2 is an option though. I'd rather have Denon or Marantz just for my own reasons but if can use widths while I wait for a more diverse version to come out I'd settle for the Onkyo most likely.
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Man, I just love the times when new major tech is on the horizon and there is rampant speculation that accompanies it by S.O.I.'s the likes of most of us around here (Seriously Obsessed Individuals). It just makes me smile to see arguments sometimes where both people literally end up being completely wrong in their stances when the actual Units actually come out....Not saying anyone here is, but I have seen it more than once and it always gives me a chuckle
+1. I too am excited about this, but yeah, I think we are WAAAYYY over thinking this at this point. Let the product info come out then attack it.

I have never been a big Onkyo fan, but I'm not opposed either, but a couple things that I don't like about this unit is 1) The height 2 and wide channels share the same preout, so this will limit options for those who may want to be able to bounce back and forth between ATMOS and DTS NEO:X, and 2) AccuEq, we now have another proprietary unproven measurement method that appears to only take one measurement and done. And it bypasses the FL & FR speakers. I know in my room, my Audyssey calibration does actually make my front speakers sound better, especially with music. But I will admit that I eventually need to do some room treatments. I guess we will have to wait for it to come out to see if AccuEq works well and if it will Eq two subs just like SubEq HT.

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I think it's going to be great but eventually will be even greater.

I am still really curious as to why Onkyo is the only manufacturer stating that 9.1.2 is an option though. I'd rather have Denon or Marantz just for my own reasons but if can use widths while I wait for a more diverse version to come out I'd settle for the Onkyo most likely.
There is this quote from TWICE: "Presumably, the Denon AVR and Marantz preamp processor will also drive the 9.1.2 configuration supported by Dolby Atmos, but D+M was verifying compatibility at post time.

See more at: http://www.twice.com/news/components...mponents/45756

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The Onkyo PR-SC5530 successor to the previous PR-SC5509 processor has been announced.

The Onkyo PR-SC5530 has a 11.4 processing capacity through RCA & RCa outputs, integrates an AccuEQ acoustic "calibration", is Dolby Atmos compatible, with 8 inputs and 3 outputs all HDMI 2.0 HDCP 2.2 compatible, with a QDEO 4K video processor, with integrated WiFi & Bluetooth.

Availbabilty Sep 2014, price unknown.

Please see details here:

http://www.uk.onkyo.com/en/articles/...nd-118123.html

http://www.uk.onkyo.com/en/products/...30-117878.html

http://www.uk.onkyo.com/downloads/2/...tasheet_EN.pdf (datasheet)
Only hdmi input 3 is hdcp 2.2. Look at the data sheet.
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There is this quote from TWICE: "Presumably, the Denon AVR and Marantz preamp processor will also drive the 9.1.2 configuration supported by Dolby Atmos, but D+M was verifying compatibility at post time.

See more at: http://www.twice.com/news/components...mponents/45756

So you may get what you wish for.
Yea, time will tell I guess as JD here says no neither device can do it all at once but can switch between formats.

It's a big deal but not really a big deal at the same time. A setup with 4 tops would probably be preferred over the 9.1.2 anyway and would also get the process of mounting the Atmos speakers on ceiling done and then just add the sides/rears etc.. Whenever an upgrade rolls out. Widths matrixed won't provide nearly as much as the atmos speakers so if the two speakers that one was going to use in the 9.1.2 could be used on the ceiling properly then might as well have the extra panning ability overhead IMO. The more I think about the limited 4 top choice we are given with this first installment it makes the most sense to go with the 7.1.4 as long as the placement of the said tops will stay the same when newer versions add more locations. Maybe there will be a center top so that would work just right for those with three row+ theaters mostly likely.
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Yea, time will tell I guess as JD here says no neither device can do it all at once but can switch between formats.

It's a big deal but not really a big deal at the same time. A setup with 4 tops would probably be preferred over the 9.1.2 anyway and would also get the process of mounting the Atmos speakers on ceiling done and then just add the sides/rears etc.. Whenever an upgrade rolls out. Widths matrixed won't provide nearly as much as the atmos speakers so if the two speakers that one was going to use in the 9.1.2 could be used on the ceiling properly then might as well have the extra panning ability overhead IMO. The more I think about the limited 4 top choice we are given with this first installment it makes the most sense to go with the 7.1.4 as long as the placement of the said tops will stay the same when newer versions add more locations. Maybe there will be a center top so that would work just right for those with three row+ theaters mostly likely.
I too think the 7.1.4 or preferably 7.2.4 for me is the way to go but 5.2.4 could be about as impressive. The design of the soundtrack itself will play the biggest role in how well Atmos shines in home. Atmos still probably wont make a mediocre soundtrack amazing but take an amazing soundtrack like Master & Commander, especially the opening battle sequence that already has some great overhead effects with only a 5.1 soundtrack, and that could become a whole new experience. It's those possibilities that has me excited about Atmos and I am completely OK with purchasing more speakers if it is beneficial.

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Hugo, no Atmos on the Marantz...That's an enormous nail in the coffin when competitors Pioneer and Onkyo plan on releasing Atmos processors this year. I'd NEVER buy a processor like that with the expectation that Atmos would be enabled by a later firmware update. If you are happy with the current feature set go for it. But Atmos is a big deal. I'm not sure I'll even be an early adopter on the Atmos platform - but it'll most certainly be a criteria in my choice of a new pre-amp when the time comes to loose my Onkyo PR-SC5508.
Even if it's slitghly out of topic here... , the Marantz AV8802 is indeed Dolby Atmos compatible. See here :

Marantz AV8802 13.2 XLR processor - HDMI 2.0 ISF - Wifi + Bluetooth details

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Hi again,

An interesting direct comparision of Marantz AV8802's 13.2 outputs and Onkyo PR-SC5530's 11.2 (4) outputs shows that the Onkyo 5530 is in fact an Heights 2 OR Wides processor, when the Marantz 8802 is a Heights 2 AND Wides processor.

This already happened a few years ago when the Denon 4810 and later the 4311 had a full 11.2 capability and the 5007/5008 & 5507/5508 that only had a 9.2 capability, so with these Onkyos' in DSX mode, one had to choose between Back Surrounds OR Wides.

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Hi again,

An interesting direct comparision of Marantz AV8802's 13.2 outputs and Onkyo PR-SC5530's 11.2 (4) outputs shows that the Onkyo 5530 is in fact an Heights 2 OR Wides processor, when the Marantz 8802 is a Heights 2 AND Wides processor.

This already happened a few years ago when the Denon 4810 and later the 4311 had a full 11.2 capability and the 5007/5008 & 5507/5508 that only had a 9.2 capability, so with these Onkyos' in DSX mode, one had to choose between Back Surrounds OR Wides.

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Yes but the Marantz isn't a 9.1.2 while the Onkyo is. Or at least according to the info trickling down right now. The Marantz would offer more flexibility and to actually have more speakers wired for atmos OR "x" for max usage of amount of speakers used in either format though. Just something some will need to think about. I like the options of the Onkyo but like more features on the Marantz lol. That made little sense.
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Yes but the Marantz isn't a 9.1.2 while the Onkyo is. Or at least according to the info trickling down right now. The Marantz would offer more flexibility and to actually have more speakers wired for atmos OR "x" for max usage of amount of speakers used in either format though. Just something some will need to think about. I like the options of the Onkyo but like more features on the Marantz lol. That made little sense.
Even if the Marantz doesn't do 9.1.2, is it that big of a deal if Atmos doesn't use wides anyway (assuming that is the configuration you are talking about)? The article from TWICE hints that the Marantz may in fact be able to do 9.1.2 but they are still working on verifying compatibility. If you are already set up for 9.1, then you could add the 4 ceiling speakers and get the full 7.1.4 Atmos treatment and still have the option of switching over to 9.1 or even 11.1 for DSX or NEO:X or PLIIz. If you are talking about a 9.1 configuration that is already using heights not wides, then you may be able to possibly support a 7.1.2 configuration already (assuming you can logistically use the front heights as ceiling speakers for Atmos). Lots of possibilities being rumored, we now just need the specs for these products to be released.

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Even if the Marantz doesn't do 9.1.2, is it that big of a deal if Atmos doesn't use wides anyway (assuming that is the configuration you are talking about)? The article from TWICE hints that the Marantz may in fact be able to do 9.1.2 but they are still working on verifying compatibility. If you are already set up for 9.1, then you could add the 4 ceiling speakers and get the full 7.1.4 Atmos treatment and still have the option of switching over to 9.1 or even 11.1 for DSX or NEO:X or PLIIz. If you are talking about a 9.1 configuration that is already using heights not wides, then you may be able to possibly support a 7.1.2 configuration already (assuming you can logistically use the front heights as ceiling speakers for Atmos). Lots of possibilities being rumored, we now just need the specs for these products to be released.

Nope. Not a BIG deal but could be a huge deal if the cicumstances presented themselves. It's not to me that's why I said something to think about.

Yep I agree with everything else you posted. Pretty much exactly what I said in fewer words. Time will tell for sure on the possibilities.
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