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AccuEQ Vs Audyssey

I still cant find any technical comparisons between the two, has there been anything published?
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The only thing I have been able to find is this:

http://www.uk.onkyo.com/downloads/2/...tasheet_EN.pdf

If you read about the AccuEQ it says it doesn't down sample from 96k, which Audyssey does.
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The only thing I have been able to find is this:

http://www.uk.onkyo.com/downloads/2/...tasheet_EN.pdf

If you read about the AccuEQ it says it doesn't down sample from 96k, which Audyssey does.
What does XT32 sample down to do you know?
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48 I think
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What does XT32 sample down to do you know?
Depends upon which DSP is used..
Due to limited resources 48kHz is typically the lowest..

Just my $0.05...
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I thought it was generally 48 on most if not all audyssey (xt32 at least, maybe the ones with less filters downsample less). I had a marantz 8801 and I am pretty certain it did 48k
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This is a great and valid thread as it would appear the only item in question with the new onkyos and integras is indeed the proprietary room eq- I won't comment on hdmi reliability.

Else it really looks like they have some very nicely equipped models- even running an input with HDCP 2.2 for that one 4K source 1% may have in the next 3 years.

Anyone know more on AccuEQ?

Grazie.

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Thanks for the link.

Confirmation of what we already knew, summed up: "The device is basically good - lots of amenities, good feel - AccuEQ unfortunately it is not."

The AccuEQ does practically nothing compared to XT32.
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Thanks for the link.

Confirmation of what we already knew, summed up: "The device is basically good - lots of amenities, good feel - AccuEQ unfortunately it is not."

The AccuEQ does practically nothing compared to XT32.
Yes, AccuEQ is dire. Great pity for Onkyo fans. I am having to switch to Denon when I go Atmos this fall. Not that Denon are bad or anything, but it's a new learning curve when you've been an Onkyo guy, as I have, for years. But no way am I trading XT32 for AccuEQ.
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This really stinks, having fewer options is always a bad thing for enthusiasts.
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Yes, AccuEQ is dire. Great pity for Onkyo fans. I am having to switch to Denon when I go Atmos this fall. Not that Denon are bad or anything, but it's a new learning curve when you've been an Onkyo guy, as I have, for years. But no way am I trading XT32 for AccuEQ.

Onkyo probably had to cut costs to pay for repairs on all those defective units produced over the years.
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onkyo probably had to cut costs to pay for repairs on all those defective units produced over the years.
Pavlov alert!!!!!!

Did you not know that Onkyo dropped Audyssey in favor of AccuEQ because of limitations with their CPU? It could process Atmos or Audyssey but not both. AccuEQ demands less processing capabilitiy (probably because it doesn't really do anything). Denon used a more elegant and sensible solution: they kept XT32 AND Atmos but doubled the number of CPUs.
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But that's still a cost-driven decision. Adding the necessary DSP horsepower would have forced up the price of their Atmos-capable equipment. Denon decided to take that hit. Onkyo decided not to.

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Major mistake to dump Audyssey IMO.
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But that's still a cost-driven decision. Adding the necessary DSP horsepower would have forced up the price of their Atmos-capable equipment. Denon decided to take that hit. Onkyo decided not to.
Indeed. But what do you think it has to do with past warranty claims?
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It seems like accuEQ does the same thing my Sony receiver does. Sets gain and distance with basically no EQ. Just the basics. I guess it's better than nothing.
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If one went with the Onkyo, could an external device such as the Anti-Mode be used to at least calibrate the sub?
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Indeed. But what do you think it has to do with past warranty claims?
Honoring warranties is an expense (granted, one of many) which has to be recouped by increasing profit and minimizing new expenses. Apparently they had to redesign part of the HDMI board to improve heat dissipation for the affected chips. That also probably would have distracted some of their design engineers who might have been working on their new designs.Anyhow, I'm just making a generic cost argument.

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If one went with the Onkyo, could an external device such as the Anti-Mode be used to at least calibrate the sub?
Yes. Some people even use them to augment Audyssey.
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I'd be willing to bet that as long as people speak with their dollars, it will be back.
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Yes. Some people even use them to augment Audyssey.
Thanks, Selden. I wasn't sure if there were any restrictions within the DSP programming for Atmos that would not allow an external device to be used in the chain.
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Thanks, Selden. I wasn't sure if there were any restrictions within the DSP programming for Atmos that would not allow an external device to be used in the chain.
My understanding is that Atmos sends its audio to the appropriate speaker channels (depending on where it believes the speakers are located), then the room correction software (or external hardware) applies the corrections as required to optimize the frequency (and other parameters) of the speakers to the room. In principle, at least, neither step needs to know what the other is doing.
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Denon decided to take that hit. Onkyo decided not to.
Which allowed Onkyo to have a mid-$500-ish receiver with Atmos. Denon can't come close to that price.

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I agree but the 1030 which is what I would be looking for if I was going to buy an Onkyo, needs to have better than mediocre RC. Although I do like the fact that the fronts can be bypassed (which would suit me) I hear they have to be bypassed which is pants IMO
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Which allowed Onkyo to have a mid-$500-ish receiver with Atmos. Denon can't come close to that price.

Correcto..
Very keen move by Onkyo!!
The royalties for Audyssey have gotten too expensive...
Keep in mind this includes XT, DSX, Dynamic EQ, & Dynamic Volume, plus Onkyo must buy the Audyseey microphone.

Therefore, Onkyo decided to put their $ into Atmos. Higher royalties to Dolby, added cost of dual TI DSPs so they will have plenty of MIPs but they still saved > $9 @ factory FOB level..
And will have Atmos available for the 838 as a firmware upgrade and the other new Onkyo 1030 & 3030 models to ship later will include Atmos from the top of production....

Just my $0.03...
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If one went with the Onkyo, could an external device such as the Anti-Mode be used to at least calibrate the sub?
I've got an Audyssey SubEQ sitting idle, and I'm hanging on to it just in case things get worse on the EQ front.
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If one went with the Onkyo, could an external device such as the Anti-Mode be used to at least calibrate the sub?
Yes. But the Denons have XT32 and the X4100W is list price of $1399. Probably a bit cheaper on the street.
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Honoring warranties is an expense (granted, one of many) which has to be recouped by increasing profit and minimizing new expenses. Apparently they had to redesign part of the HDMI board to improve heat dissipation for the affected chips. That also probably would have distracted some of their design engineers who might have been working on their new designs.Anyhow, I'm just making a generic cost argument.
I agree with you Selden. Mud was claiming that the decision by Onkyo to go with AccuEQ and not to upgrade the CPU to handle Audyssey and Atmos simultaneously was directly related to the cost of past warranty claims. That is nonsense of cosmic proportions.

And don't Onkyo buy in the HDMI boards as a pre-assembled unit anyway? If so, no distraction of engineers. Let's leave it - Mud has achieved his goal of derailing the thread.
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