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What was the reason for the delay?
For recent hardware platforms, like the Theta Casablanca IV and Emotiva XMC-1, Dirac has chosen to do filter calculations in their cloud. From the few blurbs I've seen at the Emo Lounge, seems they are having trouble getting their implementation to interface with the cloud.
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What was the reason for the delay?
The Dirac delay? Emo have said they need to do a little more work on the firmware which allows their XMC-1 to communicate the Dirac measurements to Dirac HQ to allow for processing to be done and downloaded back to the XMC-1. They have said that all the Dirac 'bits' are in place but this one piece of the jigsaw has yet to be completed. They say it will be fixed in 60 days - that's about 53 days now. Some people believe that this will happen on schedule.
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Andrew doesn't mention that he is a paid employee of Emotiva.

One wouldn't ever guess he was an employee from the article.
Below is a sample. He doesn't mention that Dan is his boss, does he?
He also mentions "Emotiva" in the third person throughout the article as if he isn't part of Emotiva. hmmm?


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It’s easy to criticize the XMC-1 and Emotiva given all the delays, broken promises and whatnot that have plagued its development process. Hell, I know Dan personally, and even I cannot give him a pass on how he’s handled some of the ups and downs surrounding the XMC-1′s development. But all of that is irrelevant now, because the XMC-1 is here. It’s among us, so we must now deal with reality rather than speculation. And the reality is pretty simple; the XMC-1 is what was promised, way back in the beginning, which was a reference-caliber, multi-channel preamp processor for the everyman.

Curious that the word "is" is in italics in two places. I guess it all depends on what the meaning of the word "is", is because I thought that originally, the XMC-1 was to include Dirac when the unit was to be shipped and not to be an add on at a later promised date. I suppose that was beyond my expectations.

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One wouldn't ever guess he was an employee from the article.
Below is a sample. He doesn't mention that Dan is his boss, does he?
He also mentions "Emotiva" in the third person throughout the article as if he isn't part of Emotiva. hmmm?


Curious that the word "is" is in italics in two places. I guess it all depends on what the meaning of "is", is?
I think it is quite wrong for a reviewer not to make full disclosure of anything which could impact his impartiality. When people read this review, would they likely be influenced by AR's conclusions if they knew that he received a pay check every month from the people who make the item under review? There is clearly a potential conflict of interests. Now I am not saying that this has unduly influenced AR and his review may be entirely unbiased. But the problem is one of perception and it seems to me that a reviewer owes his audience full and honest disclosure of any potentially conflicting interests, even if just to show that he has 'nothing to hide'.

For me, there will always be the nagging doubt - if he found a problem with the XMC-1 would he risk his livelihood by mentioning it? Heck, subjective reviews always have to be treated with huge caution IMO - and especially so when they are made by a reviewer who works for the manufacturer in question!

Andrew, if you are reading this (and I suspect you are), please caveat your review with the disclosure that you are an Emotiva employee. Even if only for the sake of your professional reputation and credibility.
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Say what you will, Andrew is one skilled writer. Check out the careful wording: "the XMC-1 is what was promised, way back in the beginning". Right, way back before they promised Dirac. Gotta hand it to the guy.

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Say what you will, Andrew is one skilled writer. Check out the careful wording: "the XMC-1 is what was promised, way back in the beginning". Right, way back before they promised Dirac. Gotta hand it to the guy.
You cynical person, you....
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Say what you will, Andrew is one skilled writer. Check out the careful wording: "the XMC-1 is what was promised, way back in the beginning". Right, way back before they promised Dirac. Gotta hand it to the guy.
His earlier quote somewhat contradicts that.
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In reality the original design concept for the XMC-1 bears little resemblance to the product it is today. Emotiva could have likely spared themselves some grief by simply giving the XMC-1 a different moniker a few revisions ago, but alas they stuck with the XMC-1 designation – for better or worse.


I don't think one can have it both ways?
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Well I submitted a comment on his blog asking him to make the disclosure that he is employed by Emotiva. I am sure his review will be useful to some in their buying decision process, but disclosure of any relationships you may have with the company making the product you are reviewing should not be optional.
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Newb question here, but why no HDMI 2.0? I sort of assumed that would be a box worth checking off . . .
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Newb question here, but why no HDMI 2.0? I sort of assumed that would be a box worth checking off . . .
They thought they had HDMI 2.0 then found out they didn't. Just one of several missteps along the way.

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Well I submitted a comment on his blog askin him to make the disclosure that he is employed by Emotiva. I am sure his review will be useful to some in their buying decision process, but disclosure of any relationships you may have with the company making the product you are reviewing should not be optional.
I just quickly read AR's XMC-1 review and fully agree he should disclose he is an Emotiva employee. To not do that is a serious conflict of interest IMO.

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I just quickly read AR's XMC-1 review and fully agree he should disclose he is an Emotiva employee. To not do that is a serious conflict of interest IMO.

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He talks about that in the Lounge.
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With respect to any differences in how Dirac is managed between the Datasat and the XMC-1, a laptop does the crunching when calibrating the RS20i. Once the laptop processes all the information and establishes the final equalisation result this result (or 'coefficient') is then downloaded to the unit. As such I don't think the RS20i operates much differently to the XMC-1 but I would like to think that the end results of how it sounds would better the XMC-1 (but so it should considering the huge price difference even though the price difference is also accounted for by the significantly greater functionality of the RS20i).
It also depends on how good the processing of equalization is in the XMC-1.
I have used Anthem's ARC on D2v & MRX units. The calculation is done on PC but the software (ARC) will not allow more filters in the MRX receivers comparing to the D2v because the engine in the MRX is not as strong as the D2v. So it is not just how and how many filters are applied on PC or on the cloud but it is also how the XMC-1 will process the filters internally.
Based on the XMC-1's processors, I assume it will not be full force Dirac. I am using Marantz av8801 and looking closely at XMC-1 too. If it by any chance happened to be better than Marantz, I'll switch to Emo. But since the 8801 is such a monster in both music & movies, I doubt if it will get as good.
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He talks about that in the Lounge.
The lounge and the other website are connected how? Who on the Emo Lounge doesn't know he works for Emo plus its hard to miss in his sig. Not seeing how that is a disclosure. Come on Bootman
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He talks about that in the Lounge.
Boot,

No offense but AR can talk about it all day on the Lounge. Where it is important and should be mentioned is in the actual review on his site.

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He talks about that in the Lounge.
His excuse for not disclosing his employer was weak. One poster in that thread brought up the conflict of interest and was attacked by multiple posters. After that, no one else dared bring it up again.

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Boot,

No offense but AR can talk about it all day on the Lounge. Where it is important and should be mentioned is in the actual review on his site.

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Wow, I've read several of his reviews over the years. His credibility has now dropped greatly in my eyes. Whatever he does after the fact is covering his butt. Good grief.
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His excuse for not disclosing his employer was weak. One poster in that thread brought up the conflict of interest and was attacked by multiple posters. After that, no one else dared bring it up again.
Wow!!!! The Emo fan boys are apparently restless. How can any rational person give any credibility to that review?

What I did not read was anything about improved image specificity or a more enveloping landscape or anything that makes this product stand out from the masses. His claim that it is more like the Meridian piece was never backed up by any detailed comparisons.

Oh well. When they get Dirac in place and I can get my hands on one, then I can do a side by side against my Integra 80.2, the Datasat RS20i and Dirac off of my music server. Should be interesting.
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His excuse for not disclosing his employer was weak. One poster in that thread brought up the conflict of interest and was attacked by multiple posters. After that, no one else dared bring it up again.
Would you expect anything different over there?
It is who they are. His non-disclosure on his private forum and their support just continues to paint the same picture that we've seen for some time.
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Would you expect anything different over there?
I knew Andrew when he lived out here in Southern California. I didn't expect him to cross this line. Zero mention of his employer? That's really unethical.
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Boot,

No offense but AR can talk about it all day on the Lounge. Where it is important and should be mentioned is in the actual review on his site.

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I didn't post this to defend him only to point out he did address this topic after someone at the the lounge pointed this out.

Take it only as that and what he posted is what he posted. Doesn't affect anything technical about the XMC in my eyes.

This is tech talk right?

Anyway, I'm waiting for audioguy's review myself.
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I knew Andrew when he lived out here in Southern California. I didn't expect him to cross this line. Zero mention of his employer? That's really unethical.
So you see what it takes. A real life turn to the dark side.
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I knew Andrew when he lived out here in Southern California. I didn't expect him to cross this line. Zero mention of his employer? That's really unethical.
So if you know him, pick up the phone and tell him.

I appreciate when friends point out my mistakes. I'm not perfect.
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So if you know him, pick up the phone and tell him.

I appreciate when friends point out my mistakes. I'm not perfect.
This isn't the first time. He has reviewed other products from his employer on his private blog and in ARC Cinema without disclosure.
Don't think it bothers him in the least.

Is he obliged to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

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So if you know him, pick up the phone and tell him.

I appreciate when friends point out my mistakes. I'm not perfect.
Nonsense. This is his job, his BOSS should be pointing out any unprofessional conduct(which this is), and apparently this situation sits just fine with Emotiva. It damages their credibility too.
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He talks about that in the Lounge.
But he is reviewing for the company that pays him.
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