Originally Posted by kokishin
I find it interesting that Onkyo made the choice they did versus the choice that D+M, Pioneer, and Yamaha made.
If you had to choose an AVR today, which do you think is preferred - a unit with HDMI 2.0a/no HDCP 2.2 or a unit with HDMI 2.0b/HDCP 2.2?
If I had to choose a new model today (ie my AVR has broken down) I would buy a cheap HDMI 1.4 one, possibly one of those that will soon be f/w upgradable to Atmos.
I did more research on the New Onkyos, only one input (3) has HDCP 2.2 support and one output (main). This means that this range is unable to switch more than one HDCP 2.2 protected source, to more than one 4K display. As all HDCP 2.2 protected sources come with dual HDMI to bypass a non compatible AVR, none of the new models from any manufacturer brings any significant advantage over existing HDMI 1.4a models, beyond Atmos.
The other downside for the Onkyo is that they had to downgrade the THX level one step from Ultra and to discard Audyssey as their new models are not powerful enough to deal with Audissey and Atmos processing simultaneously. This means that audio quality is probably inferior.
I personally didn't like Onkyo sound and prefered Denon (entirely subjective) so it's not going to make me switch.
Honestly this year's range from ALL manufacturer is using Atmos to hide the lack of proper HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 support on all in/out.
If it's to not be able to use my AVR to switch more than one 4K protected input because it either cannot pass them at all or can only pass one, what's the point of going for any of these new models (and believe me, I am waiting to throw my money at them!).
So the choice is very simple:
If you really want Atmos, buy a f/w upgradable Onkyo from the current range (a few of their models announced an upgrade in September, ideally wait until it's here and it works to buy if you don't already have one).
If you want to play 4K commercial content, wait at least a year until they get their act together and bypass your HDMI 1.4 AVR in the meantime using the dual HDMI out of your 4K protected source. There is no content anyway, and none to expect apart from a few proprietary ones like Sony or Samsung offer. Bluray 4K won't be here until 2015/16 if it ever arrives....
ALL the current AVRs will have to be replaced as soon as you have more than one 4K protected source that you want to switch. That's not acceptable to me for a device which is supposed to switch all my sources.
Also there is no real advantage to get the AVR (or the source) to upscale to 4K. If you have a 4K display, it probably has better upscaling than any AVR can deliver, so sending bluray with HDMI 1.4 to a 4K display gives you just about the same quality or better than if you were to use one of these 4K AVRs to do the upscaling. Either they can switch more than one protected 4K source to more than one 4K display, or they are pointless, at least from a video point of view.