Originally Posted by stef2
I completely agree with the last post.
Being french, I usually watch movies in french, and french soundtracks are always lossy (no DTS-HD for french people...)
Since I also understand english, I like to compare, for almost every movie I watch, the french, lossy DTS soundtrack to the english, lossless DTS-HD one, while watching sequences where no language is being spoken.
Many times I have tried to convice myself there was a difference, but there was none...
Of course, your room and setup might make a difference, but I can say without any doubt that the difference must be subtle, no matter the room or the setup you have.
Going from DVD to bluray, now thats a major difference with my setup...
Indeed, Stef; I see we are both in total agreement...
The first time I really noticed the "lack of extreme sonic improvement" was when I was finally able to tap into the "complete" lossless DTS-HD Master Audio soundtracks via bitstream (my first Blu-ray player was a first-generation Panasonic DMP-BD10A which didn't support these new formats via bitstream and didn't support Master Audio AT ALL, instead taking the DTS "core" stream from the Master Audio soundtracks)...compared to the DTS "core" I was listening to prior to getting my new (and current) OPPO BDP-83 player, the "full" DTS-HD Master Audio tracks didn't sound ANY different to my ears...I tried a bunch of titles I had become familiar with...Live Free or Die Hard, Taking of Pelham 1, 2, 3, Fast and Furious
etc...and the core DTS signals bitstreamed didn't sound any different when played as the full "lossless" DTS-HD Master Audio tracks.
Be that as it may, I still hold that the audio formats on Blu-ray (and, subsequently prior on HD DVD) are NOT the night-and-day difference originally suggested to us when the format(s) launched. I review many titles throughout a month, and I don't think these lossless formats are heads and shoulders above DVD's lossy tracks. Are there outstanding Blu-ray soundtracks that exhibit jaw-dropping dynamics like the TrueHD track on The Dark Knight
and the DTS-HD Master Audio track on The Dark Knight Rises
? Sure. But they don't blow you completely against the wall when comparing their tracks
to the lossy ones found on the DVD versions, for example; to my ears, they're equally good and involving. Interestingly enough, Geoffrey Morrison, one of the ex video editors of Home Theater Magazine
said the same thing about Blu-ray and HD DVD when the formats arrived, that he didn't think the "jump" in improvement was nearly as noticeable with the audio than with the video of these formats...
Now, your comments regarding the room, etc. are spot on, as well -- of course these tracks (or any) won't sound that great playing them through a $99 in-a-box system picked up at a local flea market...so you have to have at least some kind of decent gear to play it back on...but in general, I don't think there's all that much to get excited about with regard to so-called "lossless, master quality" audio...