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Old 07-23-2014, 08:24 AM - Thread Starter
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Question Help: Choosing receiver? Yamaha or Pioneer?

I am currently having a Yamaha RX-V750 and I am considering upgrading to the Yamaha RX-V777, or Pioneer VSX-924 (VSX-1124 in USA?). I am chosing between the two, since I can get them with a discount and because I want it future proof for 4K.

Do you reckon it would make much of a difference sound-wise for me?

I listen to music (pop/rock) and watch a lot of movies. I am having these speakers:
Front: JBL ES 100
Sub: JBL ES250P
Center: JBL ES25C
Satellites: JBL ES10

The Pioneer is cheaper than the Yamaha. So, with this in mind, which one do you think I should buy?

Any feedback would be appreciated!

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I have not heard the new Yamahas (or Pioneers). I have older models of both and prefer Pioneer's room EQ and better power amplifiers, but I am comparing upper-end models. Look at features and choose the one you like.

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I've been a Pioneer user for the past 8 years, I just switched to Yamaha about 2 weeks ago. My reason for switching was due to issues I've had with my pioneer AVRs, Yamaha's have a reputation for being one of the most reliable AVRs.

Like all things in life, there are advantages and disadvantages.

Things I like about Yamaha:

-Better OSD layout
-Easier to navigate the menus and find what you need
-YPAO EQ is much better if you do your own tuning with REW etc(you can vary the Q and frequency of the filters).


Things I like about Pioneer

- Better remote(programmable, backlight)
- MCACC lets you have 6 different EQ profiles that can be switched on the fly and customized.
- MCACC seems to do more steps than YPAO but i can't be sure


It comes down to features, layout etc. Both companies know what they are doing and will deliver good sound.

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Thanks for the replies. The Pioneer is around $150 cheaper so I am leaning towards buying it.
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The Pioneer also has Sabre DACS.

I've had several Pioneer receivers over the last few years (3 of them right now) among other brands but I've never owned a Yamaha. Not sure why though . Although I've never had any problems with any of them Yamaha does seem to have the highest quality, by perception anyway. No real numbers to quote.
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MCACC vs YPAO seems like a factor here, but I don't know which is better. It may be YPAO works better in some rooms than MCACC than vice-versa. And it seems like YPAO is more customizable (adjustable.)

"But this one goes up to 11"
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MCACC vs YPAO seems like a factor here, but I don't know which is better. It may be YPAO works better in some rooms than MCACC than vice-versa. And it seems like YPAO is more customizable (adjustable.)
Im not sure how much this means, but one thing I noticed right away after being a Pioneer fan for so many years is how quick YPAO was....although I have a feeling it may not be a good thing.

MACC can take quite a while to finish, about 5 minutes for just 2 channels. In contrast YPAO plays 2 test tones from each speaker and calls it done....less than one minute. It had me saying.....is that really it? This leads me to believe MCACC does more "stuff" than YPAO unless the engineers at Yamaha found a way to do the same correction with less test signals.

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From what I know Yamaha's YPAO has a parametric eq while Pioneers is only a regular eq. But I find MCACC very user adjustable. Especially with it's 6 MCACC presets which also remember individual speaker and subwoofer volumes.
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I have had a pioneer for years 7.1 and still works amazing
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I don't know which version of MCACC is on the unit you are considering. MCACC on mine is way better than YPAO but as I said they are both older models. My Pioneer does include three-band PEQ in addition to the regular EQ, and includes phase correction they Yamaha does not. There are several other tests it does to correct things that it seems like YPAO does not, and supposedly the distance setting is more precise in the Pioneer (I couldn't really say on that). I found MCACC to be more customizable but again am comparing older models.

I've always thought Yamaha had a nicer sound in general but cannot really tell between them in a blind test.

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Does MCACC EQ the sub? Seems like people are saying only higher end Yamaha's have sub EQ

"But this one goes up to 11"
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Does MCACC EQ the sub? Seems like people are saying only higher end Yamaha's have sub EQ
None of the versions of MCACC I have seen EQ the sub's. Ypao can eq pretty damn low,30hz
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Does MCACC EQ the sub? Seems like people are saying only higher end Yamaha's have sub EQ
Pioneer added a 4 band sub eq this year. I have no idea how good it is or how it compares to Audyssey. The 1124 (and Europe's similar 924) also have 2 subwoofer outputs for those who care about it.

Here's the product sheet for the 1124. Items in bold are up-grades over the 1024.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ep...%20Sheet_a.pdf
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I bought the Pioneer and will receive it next week. Any features, except the MCACC that I, in particular, should check out?
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I am not familiar with the Pioneer models, but just bought the Yamaha RX-V777BT. I've got some in-room frequency responses to work out. Just got around to playing with the 7-band PEQ and am really pleased with the flexibility and results. Pretty much have gotten my semi-flat response curve worked out. There is no "sub" PEQ on this model. There are allowed band adjustments at 30, 40, 50, 60 and 80Hz, but only for the 7 speakers, not the .1 (or .2). I assume this would be helpful if your speakers were set to "large" playing full-range. For sub EQ, you'll have to accomplish that through an outboard EQ. The Art 351 EQ (~$120), for example, has about 7 or 8 usable bands in the sub-range. I've got 2 of that are waiting on cables so I can try them out.

As for the YPAO on my model, it's not perfect but gets a lot things right and saves a bunch of time. Distances seem to be accurate. Here's a few things I had to tweak afterwards: Levels. I didn't agree with center channel and sub levels, but they were close. Maybe just my personal preference. Speaker size. It set all speakers to large. Even though my towers can play low, I wanted my subs to handle the sub-60hz stuff, and my in-wall surrounds definitely shouldn't be played that low at high volume. So I set all speakers to small, and set my xover at 60HZ throughout.

After all is said and done, all you tweakers out there (including me) will find yourself dialing your system in to take over where the YPAO left off. BTW, get the free AV Controller app for your phone or tablet. It's awesome and allows for quick and easy system tweaks, and other cool stuff. The on-screen menu is pretty good, and you'll need this along with the remote for the manual setup.

My older HK-AVR635 receiver had a little more muscle and about the same sound quality. But the connectivity and versatility of the Yamaha sold me. As far as the iphone app, I wouldn't want to be without it now that I've experienced it. So far, I am very happy with the purchase.
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