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Need AV Receiver recommendation for these speakers

Hi,

I have the following speakers and would like to set up a 5.1 surround sound in my new media room. I don't really have much of a budget but would prefer to keep the receiver under $500. I don't care about bells and whistles but I'm assuming pretty much everything these days will have plenty of HDMI ports, etc. I don't care about 4k or apps or whatnot (although an ipod hookup would be nice), I just don't have a 100% full grasp on av power needs and requirements.

JBL LOFT 50 Tower Speakers (10-250W) - http://eu.jbl.com/jbl_product_detail_eu/loft-50.html
JBL LOFT 30 Bookshelf Speakers (10-100W) - http://eu.jbl.com/jbl_product_detail_eu/loft-30.html
JBL LOFT 20 Center Speaker (10-150W) - http://eu.jbl.com/jbl_product_detail_eu/loft-20.html
Athena AS-P4000 Subwoofer (100W Nominal RMS/400W Max RMS) - http://www.cnet.com/products/athena-...bwoofer/specs/


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On paper they are 8 ohm high sensitivity speakers. Your budget should allow for a nice receiver.

This one might suit your needs -
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...9SIA1K50SY0892

"But this one goes up to 11"
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If you do not care for all the bells and whistles and want the most bang for the buck you might like this;
http://www.accessories4less.com/make...r-black/1.html

And unlike other refurbs on their web site it comes with a 3 year warranty and you can get in Black or Silver.
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Thanks, Amazon has the 675 for $399 and the 575 is $350.


I guess with these speakers I need a solid 100W per channel minimum to get decent "quality"?

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No, you don't. and what is a solid 100W minimum anyway? Not all manufacturers rate their power the same way. And is the 100W rating you want for 2 channels or 5 channels driven at the same time?

You'll rarely use over 25W except for maybe extremely loud passages. My Denon receivers are rated for 75W/channel and go louder than I could ever want.

Your links are all European sites. I take it you live somewhere over there?

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No, I live in the US and got these speakers really cheap from Fry's. They're not listed on the US version of the JBL site for some reason. I think the "Studio" line is US and "LOFT" is Euro maybe?


I was reading that power can be listed as either RMS, Peak or Peak-to-Peak with each being calculated differently. The conversion formulas are:

RMS = Peak * 0.707 or Peak-to-Peak * 0.3535

Peak = RMS * 1.414 or Peak-to-Peak * 0.5

Peak-to-Peak = RMS * 2.828 or Peak * 2.0


With that said though, I figured 50W per channel would be more than enough since I'm not trying to do anything over the top by any means here. I had a bonus room that wasn't being used and just got a new TV so was going to use these speakers in here with the 50" TV for movies. The main living room has 20ft cathedral ceilings so the acoustics are horrible.
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I guess with these speakers I need a solid 100W per channel minimum to get decent "quality"?
You do not need a solid 100 watts - however this is a real nice receiver brand new,
with good clean power. You can buy a 3 year square trade warranty - and still have
money left over.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TASCAM-PAR20...item3ce5328a18

http://tascam.com/product/pa-r200/

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I just picked up a Denon AVR-s900w for my bedroom and love it. I prefer Denon over most others but always consider Yamaha, Pioneer, and Onkyo when looking.

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You do not need a solid 100 watts - however this is a real nice receiver brand new,
with good clean power. You can buy a 3 year square trade warranty - and still have
money left over.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TASCAM-PAR20...item3ce5328a18

http://tascam.com/product/pa-r200/

It looks like this guy sells the PA-R100 (http://tascam.com/product/pa-r100) and ships from Kentucky for $20 while the PA-R200 ships from Nevada which is almost $50 shipping to me (Atlanta). I was leaning towards Yamaha because of the auto set-up stuff and how often the RX-V6** receivers go on sale but the more research I do, I don't think I would totally ruin the experience by manually setting the Tascam up. I'm no audiophile but I also want everything to sound decent even with the limited budget/quality of everything I own. The process doesn't seem that complicated but maybe that's wishful thinking


The PA-R100 is $130 buy it now plus $20 = $150
The PA-R200 is $188 buy it now plus $48 = $236 or he has a one at $151.79 that ends in less than a day that would put the total at $200. I'm thinking the extra $50 or so is worth the extra power and 7.2 channel although I doubt I upgrade this set up.
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It looks like this guy sells the PA-R100 (http://tascam.com/product/pa-r100) and ships from Kentucky for $20 while the PA-R200 ships from Nevada which is almost $50 shipping to me (Atlanta). I was leaning towards Yamaha because of the auto set-up stuff and how often the RX-V6** receivers go on sale but the more research I do, I don't think I would totally ruin the experience by manually setting the Tascam up. I'm no audiophile but I also want everything to sound decent even with the limited budget/quality of everything I own. The process doesn't seem that complicated but maybe that's wishful thinking


The PA-R100 is $130 buy it now plus $20 = $150
The PA-R200 is $188 buy it now plus $48 = $236 or he has a one at $151.79 that ends in less than a day that would put the total at $200. I'm thinking the extra $50 or so is worth the extra power and 7.2 channel although I doubt I upgrade this set up.
The PA-R200 is worth it, if you can swing it - and it does have good clean/clear sound, and dynamic power.
You can use the built-in Audyssey 2EQ speaker calibration system, to help set up your system - if you do
desire, or want to use it.

I am not a big fan of the different receivers auto speaker calibration set-ups > however, a lot of people like
to use them and are happy with it.

When the receivers do sale - he usually puts another one back up, with-in 24 hours

Your call

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Did anyone notice that the tower speakers, the Loft 50, have 5 drivers each? I wonder if that would be a tougher load than say a 2 driver 8 ohm speaker. Do these speakers dip down below 8 ohms much?
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It looks like this guy sells the PA-R100 (http://tascam.com/product/pa-r100) and ships from Kentucky for $20 while the PA-R200 ships from Nevada which is almost $50 shipping to me (Atlanta). I was leaning towards Yamaha because of the auto set-up stuff and how often the RX-V6** receivers go on sale but the more research I do, I don't think I would totally ruin the experience by manually setting the Tascam up. I'm no audiophile but I also want everything to sound decent even with the limited budget/quality of everything I own. The process doesn't seem that complicated but maybe that's wishful thinking


The PA-R100 is $130 buy it now plus $20 = $150
The PA-R200 is $188 buy it now plus $48 = $236 or he has a one at $151.79 that ends in less than a day that would put the total at $200. I'm thinking the extra $50 or so is worth the extra power and 7.2 channel although I doubt I upgrade this set up.
I was looking for a budget bedroom receiver last week when Zieglj01 recommended the Tascam 100 on ebay. I quickly found the 200 to be worth the extra for me and bought one. I have a Denon in the main setup now, and figured I'd gamble and try the Tascam out. I've spent the weekend with it now and I am very pleased. It's a lot of receiver for little money. I did buy the warranty too because it doesn't come with one. This receiver is listed for hundreds more everywhere else, and was probably close to 1k or more originally. My Denon has Audyssey MultEQ XT, this has the lower Audyssey 2EQ. I'm not an audio expert, but I'm still very happy with the sound, I think I actually like it better than the Denon.

I don't like the look of the Tascam at all on the outside, but the menus and options seem to offer much more than my Denon. I actually decided to buy a second while the seller still had some left. He sold out at the east coast warehouse, and has 15 or so left in Nevada. I'm going to give it some more time, but I'm likely going to keep one in the main setup, and throw the second in the bedroom. I should be able to flip my Denon on craigslist for close to the cost of the Tascam
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I emailed the seller as well and he has 7 left, I just purchased one and another is ending soon so 5 left in the Nevada warehouse. He said he doesn't know when he will get more in stock at either location since he's a liquidator.


Thanks for the recommendations everyone, I'll report back once I get everything set up.
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I emailed the seller as well and he has 7 left, I just purchased one and another is ending soon so 5 left in the Nevada warehouse. He said he doesn't know when he will get more in stock at either location since he's a liquidator.


Thanks for the recommendations everyone, I'll report back once I get everything set up.
Man am I glad I grabbed one yesterday, they're going fast. I think he said he had 17 on Saturday. I was going to give it some more time and maybe win one of the auctions at a cheaper price. I lost 3 of the auctions in a row and realized after the second loss, that the same person has won all of the auctions on the 200's the last several weeks. I bid him up to the buy it now price each time and realized it wasn't going to happen so just bought one buy it now.

Let me know how it goes. Mine didn't take me through any sort of initial setup really, it was just kind of off and running. Just plug in that Audyssey mic after everything is set up, and that will get you started with the speaker setup.
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