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Any new AVR or Pre/Pro with HDMI 2.0, HDCP 2.2, XT32, ATMOS, 4K/60 AVR or pre/pro

It seems like the new 2014 AVR or pre/pro's don't make sense to upgrade if all I mentioned isn't implemented. Looks like HDCP 2.2 is missing from Denon/Marantz. Onkyo has both 2.0 and 2.2 but they took out XT32 for their poorly reviewed EQ system. As I understand it, without HDCP 2.2 you can't watch commercial 4K because it has HDCP 2.2 coding or protection. There is really no broadcast 4K so most if not all 4K material in the near future will be some type of commercial, i.e. Blue Ray or some type of disk. Is my thinking correct and if it is, why would anyone buy anything new without HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 and XT32?

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So I guess it's true that if you buy any receiver without HDCP 2.2, you won't be able to play full resolution 4K commercial movies. Why would anyone waste their money on the current crop of AVR's and pre/pro's without it.
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So I guess it's true that if you buy any receiver without HDCP 2.2, you won't be able to play full resolution 4K commercial movies. Why would anyone waste their money on the current crop of AVR's and pre/pro's without it.
Because 4k might not be important to some..

It's really wasted on screens less than 100", so I have no plans on upgrading but want Atmos..

So consider me ready to waste away.
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I don't replace my equipment very often and want something that will last for at least 5 years. I also have a F.P. and a 120" screen. I just don't think many realize how important HDCP 2.2 can be for the future, and with screens getting larger and more people buying projectors, commercial 4K will be important because the bandwidth just isn't there for streaming 4K.


I'm still using a Sony TA-E9000ES pre/pro that I've had for I think 7-9 years and all I haven't had are the newest sound formats. Now there are a lot of new sound formats, as well as HDMI, up-scaling, and 4K projectors. Time to upgrade since I just bought two more speakers for a 7.1 system. I'll probably buy a heavily discounted 4000 or just wait another year until the receiver I've mentioned in my heading is available. I'll keep my ATI 1505 and use two of the amps from the receiver to power 2 more channels and possibly ATMOS.
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Unfortunately, some people like me can't wait. So we have to pick the best we can. I am trying to find a AVR right now.

I am thinking the Denon x2100 or Onkyo NR 828
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It's a shame not one manufacture got everything right. Onkyo has got HDMI 2.0, ATMOS, HDCP 2.2, but they dropped Audyssey XT32 for their poorly reviewed AccuEQ. Denon/Marantz has got everything but HDCP 2.2. From what I've read, HDCP 2.2 is a hardware change and Audyssey XT32 is a software change. Onkyo would just have to change software to bring back Audyssey XT32. I wonder if the reviews on AccuEQ continue to be less then good, they may consider bringing back XT32. They would then have the ultimate AVR.
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I wonder if the reviews on AccuEQ continue to be less then good, they may consider bringing back XT32. They would then have the ultimate AVR.
Not going to happen.
What you may see is Pioneer's mcacc since they just acquired that part of Pioneer's business.
But don't expect a software upgrade.
Onkyo wants you to buy the new model coming out 6 months after this one.
Then the one after that, and that, and that.
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Because 4k might not be important to some..

It's really wasted on screens less than 100", so I have no plans on upgrading but want Atmos..

So consider me ready to waste away.
For sure: I have no interest in 4K either and I have an 11' wide screen.

4K is a waste for 99% of people; in order to see the difference you'd have to sit so close that you'd have to be turning your head a lot to see the action.

There are those who say it's bit depth as well as res, but I don't see a lack now and would need to see a difference to be convinced.

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It seems like the new 2014 AVR or pre/pro's don't make sense to upgrade if all I mentioned isn't implemented. Looks like HDCP 2.2 is missing from Denon/Marantz. Onkyo has both 2.0 and 2.2 but they took out XT32 for their poorly reviewed EQ system. As I understand it, without HDCP 2.2 you can't watch commercial 4K because it has HDCP 2.2 coding or protection. There is really no broadcast 4K so most if not all 4K material in the near future will be some type of commercial, i.e. Blue Ray or some type of disk. Is my thinking correct and if it is, why would anyone buy anything new without HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 and XT32?
If that is true, then wait it's all hype.
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It's a shame not one manufacture got everything right. Onkyo has got HDMI 2.0, ATMOS, HDCP 2.2, but they dropped Audyssey XT32 for their poorly reviewed AccuEQ. Denon/Marantz has got everything but HDCP 2.2. From what I've read, HDCP 2.2 is a hardware change and Audyssey XT32 is a software change. Onkyo would just have to change software to bring back Audyssey XT32. I wonder if the reviews on AccuEQ continue to be less then good, they may consider bringing back XT32. They would then have the ultimate AVR.
In addition to dropping XT32, the Onkyo video implementation can only pass HDMI 2.0 video at HDMI 1.4 bandwidth levels, so not a perfect solution even with XT32. Also Audyssey + Atmos requires more processing power which Onkyo chose no to budget for, so unless they add the 4 processors on the Denon and Marantz Atmos AVRs, you won't see any return of Audyssey to Onkyo AVRs.
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The Denon AVR-x4100w is my choice -

HDCP 2.2 is not needed if you have ARC. Simply plug the device needing hdcp 2.2 directly into your 4k tv and you will get sound via ARC at your receiver. Planning on pairing the x4100w with my HU9000. Just wish this damn denon would be out already.
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Not a viable solution if the TV only passes stereo 2.0 audio via ARC as most do.
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Not a viable solution if the TV only passes stereo 2.0 audio via ARC as most do.
My LG 4K TV has some kind of Dolby Digital/Digital Plus decoding built into it so I'm not sure if it will pass 5.1 back to the receiver via the digital audio out (if it does that now will it do so with an HDCP 2.2 device?)

However, there is the following statement in the owner's manual.

"Audio with ACP (Audio Copy Protection) function may block digital audio output."

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well at least it can be watched using the ARC method. 5.1 isn't passed through on 4k TV's?
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What is ARC. Is that Anthem's room equalization software?
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well at least it can be watched using the ARC method. 5.1 isn't passed through on 4k TV's?
You'll have to confirm with the TV Owner's manual. Many TVs will only pass 2.0 over ARC but will allow 5.1 on the optical connection.

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What is ARC. Is that Anthem's room equalization software?
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Not a viable solution if the TV only passes stereo 2.0 audio via ARC as most do.
Which is why God created Oppo. Which you can buy from J.D.
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So if my DVD player has ARC (which ones do?,) I can run an HDMI cable from the DVD player to my 4K projector that must be HDCP 2.2 compliant to play commercial 4K full res material? Do I have this right, if not, please educate me.


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HDMI (ARC) is a feature only on TVs.

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So if anyone wants to hook up a 4K source directly to a projector or to a 2.0 HDMI AVR then to a projector, both the AVR and projector must be HDCP 2.2 or just the AVR?
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Damn, Oppo needs to come out with a HDCP 2.2 player. I guess my f.p. will also need 2.2 to get full res 4K. Is this correct.
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Damn, Oppo needs to come out with a HDCP 2.2 player. I guess my f.p. will also need 2.2 to get full res 4K. Is this correct.
To play what, exactly?
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To play what, exactly?

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Full res 4K blue rays whenever they're out.
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Full res 4K blue rays whenever they're out.
Make a player for these? http://www.techradar.com/us/news/vid...-water-1246497
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Buy a new TV and BD player? NAH. I'll stick with my Pioneer LX-5090 and Oppo 83SE

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Damn, Oppo needs to come out with a HDCP 2.2 player. I guess my f.p. will also need 2.2 to get full res 4K. Is this correct.
Oppo said not to expect an HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2 BDP until late 2015/early 2016 at the earliest.

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Oppo said not to expect an HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2 BDP until late 2015/early 2016 at the earliest.

The receiver issue would be n/a if that new player sends out hdcp video/audio on one HDMI output (to the 4k display) and unencrypted audio only on another HDMI output to the receiver. My current 103D uses two outputs, it's just that the second going to my A/V processor includes both audio and video.
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Sony have just announced there HDMI 2.0 HDCP 2.2 capable Receiver-

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