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Best AV receiver for $1,200 - advice needed from a novice

Hello audiophiles,

I'll start with the disclaimer - I am a complete novice in the audio-visual technology arena.

I recently purchased a pair of CM9s and the CM center channel. I plan to add some satellite speakers and a sub in the coming months.

I'm looking to spend approx $1,200 on an AV receiver (can go higher if really worth it).

I've been looking at the yamaha rx-a1040, onkyo tx-nr838, Pioneer Elite SC-82 and the denon avr-x4000.

The yamaha seems like the best value for money.

I'll be using the setup 90% for tv/movies.

Any help/advice would be hugely appreciated. Thanks.
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just curious what makes you think you need to spend $1200 on a AV receiver?

What features are you looking for?

It's possible you may only need to spend $600-800 instead, maybe less.

what are the dimensions of the room/listening area? Do you also have a subwoofer?

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Features i'm looking for are: 7.2 channel, 4k upscaling, airplay, hdmi 2.0 (and great sound)

1,200 is essentially because I have a $1,200 dollar amazon voucher and so was going to use it to get a receiver.

I don't have a sub, but plan to buy one in the next month or so (with my best buy voucher - been racking up credit card points!)

Room is 17'x13'

Thanks again for your advice

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Best Buy doesn't have any good subwoofers. Better off buying your sub at Amazon. At least they sell SVS subs which are excellent subs.

PB1000 may be all you need for $499.
http://www.amazon.com/SVS-PB1000-10-...=svs+subwoofer

You could get the PB1000 and the Denon x2100 for $1200.
http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-X210...ds=Denon+x2100

or if you want to spend more get the PB2000
http://www.amazon.com/SVS-PB2000-500...=svs+subwoofer

Then buy your receiver at Best Buy. If they have a Magnolia store inside you'll be able to choose from Denon, Marantz, Yamaha, Pioneer Elite and others.

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Thanks but I'll make the sub purchase decision post receiver.

On that basis, what AV receiver would you recommend in the $1,200 range?
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If you like Yamaha, there's the 1040

http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-RX-A104...video+receiver

Not sure what sort of step up it is from the 840. I like the 800 series due to pre outs so you can add external amplification so I have bought a few 800 series receivers which is why I bring up the comparison.

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Because you're a novice; I would put the extraneous features, like Airplay, aside and audition an Anthem AVR in your home! Use the Anthem Room Correction (ARC) in fully automatic mode and it'll optimize all the settings to make your speakers work in harmony with each other and the dynamics of your room!

Down the line, when you add a component, just run ARC again.

And when you go pro audiophile, ARC has a manual mode that offers greater control for fine tuning how you want everything to sound.
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The Anthem MRX 510 would be nice, but is above your budget. The Yamaha 1040 is a great pick.
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If you're set on spending in the $1k range, you can't do better than the refurbished Denon AVR-4520ci for $1299 at accessories4less! This is the Denon sibling of Marantz AV8801, with largely the same feature set (Audyssey MultEQ XT32) but also with onboard amplifiers!
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The Denon X4100 also should be considered. MSRP is over that budget but street price or a little haggling with sales person may put it in your budget. There is also the NAD T758 for under 1k at Crutchfield that is a very good choice.
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Because you're a novice; I would put the extraneous features, like Airplay, aside and audition an Anthem AVR in your home! Use the Anthem Room Correction (ARC) in fully automatic mode and it'll optimize all the settings to make your speakers work in harmony with each other and the dynamics of your room!

Down the line, when you add a component, just run ARC again.

And when you go pro audiophile, ARC has a manual mode that offers greater control for fine tuning how you want everything to sound.
Airplay is an important features for many, such as myself

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There are a lot of new receivers that support Dolby Atmos coming out soon. I would wait and get one of those. The Denon AVR-X4100W will msrp at $1,399 so you may be able to get one discounted for around $1,200.
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Airplay is an important features for many, such as myself
If you're that embedded in the Apple ecosystem and you simply must have Airplay, I think the Aventage A840 from Yamaha is a good choice. It's 899 but can be found cheaper (I picked mine up for 699.99),offers Airplay, Spotify, Pandora, Zone 2 support, 4k/60fps, 2 HDMI in and 6 out, YPAO room correction. From what I can tell there is little difference between it and the 1040. I assume AQ would be the same on both and you'd just gain a few features you likely won't be using.

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Airplay is an important features for many, such as myself
I use airplay too, but it doesn't make sense for you make a $1000+ purchase decision solely on it. You can buy an airport express or appleTV and hook it up to any receiver you want for less than $100.... in fact i argue you will get MORE functionality out of hooking up an appleTV than any internal airplay adapter.

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but i overlooked the fact that you want hdmi 2.0 That will constrain you to only a few AVRs barely on market right now. If you're willing to wait, like everyone said, Atmos is coming ...

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but i overlooked the fact that you want hdmi 2.0 That will constrain you to only a few AVRs barely on market right now. If you're willing to wait, like everyone said, Atmos is coming ...
HDMI 2.0 is in most of the Aventage I think.


That's my one regret buying the A840. Amos is available in other receivers. I just wasn't sure how soon it would be in receivers in the 600 dollar range with the performance of the A840.
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HDMI 2.0 is in most of the Aventage I think.

That's my one regret buying the A840. Amos is available in other receivers. I just wasn't sure how soon it would be in receivers in the 600 dollar range with the performance of the A840.
Don't feel bad unless you have a 4k 50/60 display and sources with an Atmos track.
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I would add this to the list great bang for the buck. http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...eceivers/SC-81
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Don't feel bad unless you have a 4k 50/60 display and sources with an Atmos track.

Oh. I feel a lot better then. I didn't realize Atmos was a 4K thing. Thanks!

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Oh. I feel a lot better then. I didn't realize Atmos was a 4K thing. Thanks!
no no, Atmos is not a 4K thing. HDMI 2.0 is a 4K thing. but Atmos requires an Atmos track and Atmos speakers to make the most of it.
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no no, Atmos is not a 4K thing. HDMI 2.0 is a 4K thing. but Atmos requires an Atmos track and Atmos speakers to make the most of it.

Ahh gotcha.Yeah at first I was scratching my head a bit thinking what does display resolution have to do with audio? I haven't had a chance to compare Atmos to DTS HD or PL2 so I guess if I don't know what I'm missing I won't miss it? Maybe?

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Thanks but I'll make the sub purchase decision post receiver.

On that basis, what AV receiver would you recommend in the $1,200 range?
The Denon X4100W would be an excellent choice with HDMI 2.0 and Audyssey XT32. Should be available next month.

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Ahh gotcha.Yeah at first I was scratching my head a bit thinking what does display resolution have to do with audio? I haven't had a chance to compare Atmos to DTS HD or PL2 so I guess if I don't know what I'm missing I won't miss it? Maybe?
DTS HD is for 5.1 and 7.1 sources

PL2 is for mixing stereo sources to play into more than 2 speakers.

Atmos is a cool concept, because instead of the movie studios mixing a 5.1 track and a 7.1 track and a 9.1 track...they just make 1 Atmos track. Then your Atmos enabled receiver does the mixing to fit your specific home theater system..be it 5.1 or "24 floor and 10 overhead" (The "overhead" speakers are new to Atmos)

So unless you have a 9.1 speaker system or better in your house, you prob aint missing anything yet.
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Sc 81

I think SC-81 or 82 is good. I recently got B&W CM9 speakers and SC-81 from bestbuy. Still test out but thinking of upgrade to SC-82
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yep,There are a lot of new receivers that support Dolby Atmos coming out soon. I would wait and get one of those. The Denon AVR-X4100W will msrp at $1,399 so you may be able to get one discounted for around[IMG]http://*******/prvoPz[/IMG] $1,200.
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Wow - thanks for all the great suggestions.

Given I'm likely going to have a three channel setup for a few months and then will add some satellite speakers, would atoms really benefit me?

Also, to an early point on having pre-outs - what are these? Why would I ever use them?

The denon X4100 seems to be a popular recommendation - excluding atmos, why would this serve me better than the yamaha 1040?

Thanks!

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I do not think that you really need HDMI 2.0 yet.
In reality there is no source that takes advantage of HDMI 2.0 right now and probably will not be for 3-4 years.
All the 4k stuff right now is Netflix or the UHD HDD that goes directly to the TV so all you need is arc (HDMI 1.4) or Optical.
I have a 4K tv and am also looking to get a AV receiver and prob will get the dennon 4000 when the 4100 comes out because the price will drop even further.


I may be wrong but can someone please tell me why you would need HDMI 2.0 right now?
From what I read the HDMI 2.0 will be useless without HDCP 2.2...


Buy the time there is stuff on the market that takes HDMI 2.0 you will be ready for your next a/v receiver.
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