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I am looking to replace my old Onkyo receiver and new setup. I recently purchased Polk Audio RC85i 2-Way In-Wall Speakers for front left and right front speakers.
Looking to purchase Polk Audio TL3 for Center Channel Speaker (unless someone can suggest something better for around same price $200 or less)
I would like for the receiver to have Audyssey MultEQ or similar function to help calibrate and correct sound, 3D with ARC (OUT). Air play and 4K will be just bonus.
I would love to stay in the $300 range since I still need a new sub but anything under $500 will work
Any help is much appreciated.

Contacted Crutchfield and they recommended: Denon AVR-E400 for $349 based on my setup
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Either that or the Denon X2000 also on clearance for not much more which adds a 3rd year of warranty, Zone 2 pre-outs, and the better Audyssey MultEQ XT.

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Either that or the Denon X2000 also on clearance for not much more which adds a 3rd year of warranty, Zone 2 pre-outs, and the better Audyssey MultEQ XT.
How would it compare to say Yamaha RX-V675 7.2 Channel Network AV Receiver with Airplaywhich is also $399
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Only 2 year warranty on 675. Also depends on whether you prefer YPAO or Audyssey.

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Pioneer vsx 1123 for 349
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I recommend Harman Kardon. They have several models that should easily fit your needs.
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Is it me or are there way to many choices, Makes it confusing as heck for someone fairly new to the buying market. Ultimately I just want to best bang for my $, reliable and full of useable features.

Sony STR-DN840 7.2 Channel 4K Receiver with Bluetooth and WiFi $399 (Costco)
Yamaha RX-V675 7.2-channel home theater receiver with Apple AirPlay® $399 (Amazon)
Pioneer VSX-1123 7.2-Channel Network A/V Receiver $349. (Amazon)
Denon AVR-X2000 IN-Command7.1-channel home theater receiver with Apple® AirPlay $399(Crutchfield)

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Pioneer VSX-1123 7.2-Channel Network A/V Receiver $349. (Amazon)
Denon AVR-X2000 IN-Command7.1-channel home theater receiver with Apple® AirPlay $399(Crutchfield)
I would go with Pioneer or Denon - I lean towards Pioneer

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pioneer 1123 has some quite a few reviews on defect parts on amazon wonder how wide of issue it is
also complaints about warranty and redemption
leaning toward Denon unless someone can suggest something better for the price
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pioneer 1123 has some quite a few reviews on defect parts on amazon wonder how wide of issue it is
also complaints about warranty and redemption
leaning toward Denon unless someone can suggest something better for the price

ALL cheap receivers have to have poor sound quality and very limited ability to drive most real speakers without excessive distortion.

At that kind of low price level, there is just not enough money to put in a beefy power supply that can drive speakers adequately and keep distortion low.

For $599, you can get a NAD T748 receiver, which has more BEEF and lower distortion than almost anything else for a comparable price. Its list of "bells and whistles" is shorter than many others, because they put in more BEEF and not so much glitter. You have to choose; BEEF or Gee Whiz.

Keep in mind that the endless meaningless power specs DO NOT tell you how much distortion will occur when a REAL SPEAKER is being driven. They are generated with a load resistor; not a speaker. This makes those specs useless. They have no relation to actual performance.

The distortion can be 100 times as great when a speaker is being driven.
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The Denon X2000 would probably be my pick, but the NAD 748 isn't a bad option if you don't need bells and whistles. There's a shop here in Boston that's selling them for under $500:

http://www.spearitsound.com/Surround...-NAD_T748.html
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Is it me or are there way to many choices, Makes it confusing as heck for someone fairly new to the buying market. Ultimately I just want to best bang for my $, reliable and full of useable features.

Sony STR-DN840 7.2 Channel 4K Receiver with Bluetooth and WiFi $399 (Costco)
Yamaha RX-V675 7.2-channel home theater receiver with Apple AirPlay® $399 (Amazon)
Pioneer VSX-1123 7.2-Channel Network A/V Receiver $349. (Amazon)
Denon AVR-X2000 IN-Command7.1-channel home theater receiver with Apple® AirPlay $399(Crutchfield)
The Yamaha is the most reliable AVR by far, it is built in Yamaha's own factory..
The other (3) AVRs are all built/outsourced through the China Sherwood factory, and don't fall for all the Audyssey hype..

Just my $0.03...
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Spent several hours reading post looks like its between these 2. I like Crutchfields 60 day return policy anyone else have similar policy?

Yamaha RX-V675 7.2-channel home theater receiver with Apple AirPlay® $399 (Amazon)
Denon AVR-X2000 IN-Command7.1-channel home theater receiver with Apple® AirPlay $399(Crutchfield)

Seems most people recommend the Yamaha over the Denon. Can someone tell me which is more user friendly to novice users. How is the setup and UI and GUI for the 2?
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I would go with the Denon X2000, Audyssey is a much better EQ than YPAO, I upgraded from Yamaha to Denon and the difference Audyssey made was substantial. At the current price it's a real bargain too.

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I would go with the Denon X2000, Audyssey is a much better EQ than YPAO, I upgrade from Yamaha to Denon and the difference Audyssey made was substantial. At the current price it's a real bargain too.
Apprecitate the reply ! Thats what I been hearing that Audyssey is better. I put my front right and left Polk Audio RC85i 2-Way In-Wall Speakers this weekend and shocked how good they sound of my Old Onkyo HT-R510 Receiver with Onkyo SKW-200 Subwoofer (yeah its 10 years old LOL!). I expect it to just get better with new receiver and new sub
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Yeah Audyssey, namely the higher up versions like XT and XT32, does a very good job with room correction.

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Yeah Audyssey, namely the higher up versions like XT and XT32, does a very good job with room correction.
Nice your out of Raleigh, I am in Cary hello neighbor!
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Nice your out of Raleigh, I am in Cary hello neighbor!
Close by! If you haven't already, check out Audio Advice on Glenwood if you ever want to upgrade.

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Ended up pulling the trigger on Denon X2000 and Bic F12 Sub hope that all goes well will post the results
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Great thread, thanks for the feedback! I am in the same boat, as my Onkyo which is only 6 years old just died (HDMI board). TX-SR806
Ridiculous, considering I paid $500... they just DON'T make 'em like they used to!

While I do have a bad taste in my mouth on Onkyo, I do really like Audyssey. Dare I suggest the NR636 as a replacement?

I can get this for the same price as the Denon, $399...
http://www.onkyousa.com/Products/model.php?m=TX-NR636

How does it compare to the Denon X2000?
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Great thread, thanks for the feedback! I am in the same boat, as my Onkyo which is only 6 years old just died (HDMI board). TX-SR806
Ridiculous, considering I paid $500... they just DON'T make 'em like they used to!

While I do have a bad taste in my mouth on Onkyo, I do really like Audyssey. Dare I suggest the NR636 as a replacement?

I can get this for the same price as the Denon, $399...
http://www.onkyousa.com/Products/model.php?m=TX-NR636

How does it compare to the Denon X2000?
Where can you get the NR636 for $399 ?
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Where can you get the NR636 for $399 ?
Rakuten, plus $40 shipping

Also can get refurb for $100 less ($340 shipped), but only 90-day warranty so not very appealing...
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Where can you get the NR636 for $399 ?
Yes, do tell.
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I already did, see reply above ^^^ :-)

So no one has answered the question though... is this receiver worth any salt? It has lot's of bells/whistles including 4k support, but the watts per channel is much lower (95) than my SR806 (135). My main concern is quality/reliability... I don't want to be in the habit of replacing dead receivers every 6 years....
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Great thread, thanks for the feedback! I am in the same boat, as my Onkyo which is only 6 years old just died (HDMI board). TX-SR806
Ridiculous, considering I paid $500... they just DON'T make 'em like they used to!

While I do have a bad taste in my mouth on Onkyo, I do really like Audyssey. Dare I suggest the NR636 as a replacement?

I can get this for the same price as the Denon, $399...
http://www.onkyousa.com/Products/model.php?m=TX-NR636

How does it compare to the Denon X2000?
Very similar. Denon is a steal since it was just replaced.

Oh, and those watts are not meaningfully different. Not in receivers.
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Great thread, thanks for the feedback! I am in the same boat, as my Onkyo which is only 6 years old just died (HDMI board). TX-SR806
Ridiculous, considering I paid $500... they just DON'T make 'em like they used to!

While I do have a bad taste in my mouth on Onkyo, I do really like Audyssey. Dare I suggest the NR636 as a replacement?

I can get this for the same price as the Denon, $399...
http://www.onkyousa.com/Products/model.php?m=TX-NR636

How does it compare to the Denon X2000?
Onkyo dropped Audyssey on the 2014 models in favor of featuring Dolby Atmos so the X2000 is likely to sound much better with Audyssey MultEQ XT.

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I have an 11 year old Onkyo Receiver that's running strong. I considered the same brand until I continued to read the HDMI issues in various models
Plus I wanted a change and Audyssey MultEQ XT that's so highly rated
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So basically all signs still point to the Denon. Is there anything that the NR636 or the others in the list have, that the Denon does not have? What are the disadvantages? What am I missing?
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The Onkyo has Dual HDMI outputs, Wireless and Bluetooth but no longer uses Audyssey in favor of its own calibration system.

You have to decide if any of those features are more important to you than Audyssey Mult EQ XT, the 3 year warranty and better reliability on the Denon.

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The Onkyo has Dual HDMI outputs, Wireless and Bluetooth but no longer uses Audyssey in favor of its own calibration system.

You have to decide if any of those features are more important to you than Audyssey Mult EQ XT, the 3 year warranty and better reliability on the Denon.
Thank you, that really helps a lot. I don't care about any of those features... bluetooth is a nice to have. My only requirements are:

7 channels
Audyssey
Decent power/channel (I had 130W/channel on my old Onkyo)
Subwoofer preout
Wired ethernet for firmware updates and streaming
4k support is nice to have, in case I decide to upgrade my projector some day...

So my only concern with the Denon is that I am taking a big step down in wattage.

I just noticed Crutchfield has an Onkyo TX-NR818 scratch/dent for $594 shipped. It does have Audyssey and more power than the Denon (135/channel @ 8 ohms), but just not sure that's worth $200 more, plus the unpredictable reliability is now a concern.

On a side note and off topic, the repair shop told me that the HDMI board on my old Onkyo costs $300, and they wanted another $150 labor. I am fairly handy with repairing stuff, but never tried anything like this. Anyone every tried DIY and have any tips/thoughts?
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