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wse 08-13-2014 04:40 PM

Marantz SR7009 or Yamaha RX-A3040?
 
Marantz SR7009

Setup help and Audyssey "Platinum"

A feature-packed receiver like the SR7009 is only as good as your ability to set it up and control it. That's another area where this receiver excels. Marantz's setup assistant guides you through all your connections and settings right out of the box. Just connect your TV with an HDMI cable and you'll be ready to get started. Audyssey's Platinum suite of speaker calibration offers some cool features, including independent calibration for dual subwoofers.

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Highlights:

Power and Processing:

  • 9-channel amplifier
  • 125 watts per channel into 8 ohms (20-20,000 Hz) at 0.08% THD, with 2 channels driven
  • Dolby® and DTS® surround sound decoding, including Dolby Pro Logic® IIz
  • Dolby Atmos processing for use with in-ceiling or "height" speakers for more enveloping surround sound; compatible with 7-, 9-, or 11-channel setups (11 channels requires an external stereo power amp)
  • video upconversion (up to 4K) for analog and HDMI sources
  • Audyssey "Platinum" speaker calibration and system optimization includes:
    • MultEQ® XT32 advanced auto setup and room calibration uses high-resolution digital processing filters to deliver balanced, dynamic sound to as many as 8 listening positions (expandable to 32 with a professional installer)
    • DSX® (Dynamic Surround Expansion) optimizes "front height" or "front width" speakers to create a larger soundstage with more engaging surround effects
    • Audyssey Dynamic Volume mode to keep listening levels steady
    • Audyssey Dynamic EQ for fuller sound at lower listening levels
    • Sub EQ HT provides individual calibration for dual subwoofers, for even bass response throughout the room
    • Low Frequency Containment reduces the amount of bass that bleeds into other rooms
Digital Music Options:

  • built-in Wi-Fi for listening to music from a networked PC, free Internet radio, and music services
    • includes support for Pandora, SiriusXM, and free Internet radio streams with vTuner (subscription required for some services)
    • Spotify Connect lets you play Spotify's streaming music library through the receiver via your smartphone or tablet (requires Spotify app and a premium subscription)
  • Apple AirPlay for streaming music from an iPhone, iPad, iPod touch® or computer running iTunes®
  • built-in Bluetooth for wireless music listening with smartphones, tablets, and compatible computers
  • front-panel USB input for connecting an iPod®, iPhone® or thumb drive
    • direct digital connection for iPod or iPhone bypasses the device's digital-to-analog converter for better sound
  • plays high-resolution digital music files via USB storage device or a networked computer (up to 24-bit/192kHz resolution), including DSD files (2.8 MHz .dsf/.dff files)
  • DLNA certified for streaming music with compatible devices and computers
  • M-DAX™ (Marantz Dynamic Audio eXpander) for better sound from MP3s and other digital music files
Multi-room Audio:

  • three-room/three-source output
  • play music from three different sources in up to three rooms simultaneously
  • amp assign feature lets you reassign extra surround channels to second and third zones
  • line-level outputs for Zones 2 and 3 for use with additional receiver, amplifier, or powered speakers
  • 2 independent HDMI outputs for watching video content from different sources in two rooms simultaneously
  • supports 2nd/3rd zone playback of digital sources (audio from HDMI sources is limited to Zones 1 and 2)
  • component and composite video outputs can be assigned to Zone 2
Audio Performance Features:

  • Marantz's Hyper Dynamic Amplifier Module (HDAM) offers improved dynamic range and detail while reducing noise
  • current feedback circuit for accurate, natural sound at all volume levels
  • Pure Direct mode turns off unused circuitry for cleaner audio signals
  • bi-amp capability with compatible front speakers by reassigning "surround back" or "height" channels
Connections:

  • HDMI 2.0 audio/video switching: 8 in (includes 1 front-panel input), 3 out
  • component video switching: 3 in, 1 out
  • composite video switching: 4 in, 2 out (includes front-panel input)
  • digital audio inputs: 2 optical and 2 coaxial
  • 6 analog stereo audio inputs (including front-panel input)
  • phono input for connecting a turntable
  • 7.1-channel preamp inputs
  • 13.2-channel preamp outputs include outputs for 2 powered subwoofers
  • front-panel USB port for audio playback from USB memory devices and an iPod or iPhone
  • outputs for 11 speakers (Front L/R, Center, Surround L/R, Surround Back L/R, Height 1 L/R, Height 2 L/R)
    • receiver can power a maximum of 9 channels at once
  • Ethernet port for wired network connection
  • RS-232C, remote, and 12 volt-trigger connections for use with external controllers
  • 1/4" headphone output
  • detachable power cord
General Features:

  • 4K/60p and 3D video pass-through
  • free Marantz remote app lets you use your Apple or Android device as a Wi-Fi® remote
  • Setup Assistant guides you through the initial connection process and settings
  • intuitive, full-color on-screen guide
  • Video Select lets you listen to music while watching video from a different source
  • HDMI standby pass-through allows HDMI switching without powering up receiver
  • built-in HD Radio™ tuner
  • AM/FM tuner
  • remote control
  • 17-3/8"W x 7-5/16"H x 16-3/16"D
  • weight: 30.4 lbs.
  • warranty: 3 years

YAMAHA RX-A3040

Highlights:

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Power and Processing:

  • 9-channel amplifier
  • 150 watts per channel into 8 ohms (20-20,000 Hz) at 0.06% THD, with 2 channels driven
  • Dolby® and DTS® surround sound decoding
  • Dolby Atmos processing for use with in-ceiling or "height" speakers for more enveloping surround sound; compatible with 7- or 9-channel setups (requires upcoming firmware update)
  • expandable to 11 channels with a separate stereo power amplifier
  • video upconversion (up to 1080p and 4K) for analog and HDMI sources
  • Yamaha's advanced video processing with edge and motion adaptive deinterlacing for sharp images and smooth motion
  • YPAO (Yamaha Parametric Room Acoustic Optimizer) automatic speaker calibration with Reflected Sound Control and Volume to deliver more accurate surround sound across different listening levels (microphone included)
  • Cinema DSP HD3 creates increased realism for movie soundtracks with "front presence" speakers in a 9.2-channel home theater
  • Adaptive Dynamic Range Control limits the volume level on sound effects and commercials for more discreet late-night listening
  • Dialogue Lift and Level Adjustment for clearer, louder dialogue while watching movies and shows
Digital and Streaming Music Options:

  • built-in Wi-Fi for listening to music from a networked PC, free Internet radio, and music services
    • Wireless Direct lets you stream music and control the player from a smartphone or tablet without a wireless home network
    • includes support for Pandora, Rhapsody, and vTuner (subscription required for some services)
    • Spotify Connect lets you play Spotify's streaming music library through the receiver via your smartphone or tablet (requires Spotify app and a premium subscription)
  • Apple AirPlay for streaming music from an iPhone, iPad, iPod touch® or computer running iTunes
  • HTC Connect™ for wireless music streaming from a compatible HTC smartphone
  • front-panel MHL-ready HDMI input for accessing content from select Android smartphones and tablets
  • front-panel USB input for connecting an iPod®, iPhone, iPad, or thumb drive
    • direct digital connection for iPod or iPhone bypasses the device's digital-to-analog converter for better sound
  • plays high-resolution digital music files via USB storage device or a networked computer (up to 24-bit/192kHz resolution)
  • DLNA 1.5 certified for streaming music wirelessly from compatible computers and network-attached storage (NAS) drives
  • gapless playback of WAV, FLAC and ALAC files from USB thumb drives and networked computers
Multi-room Audio/Video:

  • four-room/four-source output
    • powered stereo audio outputs for 2nd and 3rd rooms (allows 5.2-channel sound in main room while in use)
    • Zone 2 HDMI output allows you to watch different video content simultaneously on two TVs
    • line-level 2nd- and 3rd-room outputs for use with separate amplifiers or powered speakers
    • Intelligent Amp Assign automatically redirects surround back channels in Main zone to Zone 2 speakers when Zone 2 is powered on
    • 2nd HDMI output assignable to Zone 4 (HDMI sources only)
    • Zone 4 only receives audio/video signals via HDMI; separate receiver required to power stereo or surround sound speakers
    • HDMI and optical/coaxial digital audio sources cannot be output to Zone 3
Audio Performance Features:

  • Audiophile-grade 32-bit/192kHz ESS Sabre32 Ultra digital-to-analog converter for 7 main channels
  • 24-bit/192kHz ESS Sabre Premier digital-to-analog converters for "front presence" channels
  • symmetrical power amp layout electrically isolates left and right channel circuitry for high signal-to-noise ratio and wider soundstage
  • Ultra Low Jitter PLL circuitry reduces timing jitter from digital sources, for improved sound quality
  • surround back speaker channels re-assignable for bi-amping compatible front left and right speakers
  • Pure Direct mode switches off front-panel display, tone controls, and DSP circuitry for cleaner sound with analog audio sources
  • Compressed Music Enhancer improves sound quality of MP3s and other digital music files
  • reinforced double-bottom chassis minimizes distortion even during high-volume output
  • detachable power cable
Connections:

  • HDMI 2.0 audio/video switching: 8 in, 2 out (including 1 front-panel input)
  • component video switching: 3 in, 1 out
  • composite video switching: 5 in, 1 out (including 1 front-panel input)
  • digital audio inputs: 3 optical and 3 coaxial
  • 1 optical digital audio output
  • 9 analog stereo audio inputs (including 1 front-panel input)
  • phono input for use with a turntable
  • 7.1-channel preamp inputs
  • 7.2-channel preamp outputs for connection to an external power amp and powered subwoofers
  • Ethernet port for network connection
  • front-panel USB port for audio playback from USB flash drives, hard disk drives, and portable music players
  • rear-panel USB port for add-on Bluetooth adapter
  • outputs for 11 speakers (Front L/R, Center, Surround L/R, Surround Back/ L/R, Rear Presence L/R, Front Presence L/R)
  • receiver can power a maximum of 9 channels at once
  • RS-232C, remote (IR), and 12 volt-trigger connections for use with external controllers
General Features:

  • 4K/60p and 3D video pass-through
  • free Yamaha A/V Controller app lets you use your Apple or Android device as a Wi-Fi® remote
  • 12 SCENE presets for one-touch power-up, source selection and DSP recall
  • Audio Return Channel function receives digital audio signals from a compatible HDTV's tuner via HDMI
  • full-color on-screen display
  • HDMI standby pass-through allows source switching without powering up receiver
  • web browser control via PC or tablet
  • HD radio™ and AM/FM tuner
  • remote control
  • 17-1/8"W x 7-1/2"H x 18-3/8"D (9-7/8"H x 18-5/8"D with Wi-Fi antenna installed)
  • weight: 39.9 lbs.
  • warranty: 3 years

wse 08-13-2014 04:41 PM

Loking at weight the Yamaha is 9lbs heavier!

traianescu 08-14-2014 01:28 AM

ok, yamaha is 9lbs heavier, but for example, the benchmarks from soundandvision tells that 7008 it is doing better with 5/7 channels than yamaha 3020

kikkenit2 08-14-2014 10:07 AM

Yamaha is known for smaller power supply's and slightly less power. Still they are rated to 2 ohm in dynamic power rating.
And a full set of preamp outs makes it a small issue. The other small issues no xt32 and no airplay discrete to other zones.

The Marantz has no mhl capabilities or parametric eq to all(any) channels.

Selden Ball 08-14-2014 11:41 AM

To put it another way, you need to decide what features you want and then determine which model best matches that list.

FWIW, many people consider the room equalization provided by the Marantz AVR (Audyssey MultEQ XT32) to be superior to what Yamaha provides (their own proprietary YPAO).

Don't forget that if you call an authorized Marantz dealer (other than Best Buy) on the phone, they can quote a much lower price than what they are allowed to advertise.

wse 08-14-2014 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Selden Ball (Post 26565857)
To put it another way, you need to decide what features you want and then determine which model best matches that list.

FWIW, many people consider the room equalization provided by the Marantz AVR (Audyssey MultEQ XT32) to be superior to what Yamaha provides (their own proprietary YPAO).

Don't forget that if you call an authorized Marantz dealer (other than Best Buy) on the phone, they can quote a much lower price than what they are allowed to advertise.

What should I expect? 10%, 20%, 30%, 40% ?

kikkenit2 08-15-2014 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Selden Ball (Post 26565857)
Don't forget that if you call an authorized Marantz dealer (other than Best Buy) on the phone, they can quote a much lower price than what they are allowed to advertise.

I forgot to mention this. I see this as the biggest negative against Denon and Marantz. Having to 'call and beg' for a good price. Their sales would go up if they changed this policy. I can buy almost anything in this world for cheap from Amazon without call and beg. Just type and click. No stress. Not Marantz unless I want to waste a bunch of money. Sure xt32 is better than ypao. If it really made a big difference Yamaha would be losing money instead of d&m. Go to almost any other home theater/av website and Yamaha dominates the ratings. Not by luck. I own a denon flagship with xt32. It is not night and day better. I measured both products with rew to verify performance.

Selden Ball 08-15-2014 12:16 PM

My impression is that the quoted prices of new devices usually are only slightly higher than what Accessories4Less advertises for refurbs of the same model. You can do a Web search to find out.

FWIW, AVScience (one of the major sponsors of this forum) is an authorized dealer for many CE products and always quotes a very competitive price. I buy from a local dealer for slightly higher prices, though, just because of the additional support he provides (like loaners when there are problems, and taking care of the paperwork when repairs are needed).

phantom52 08-15-2014 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wse (Post 26575625)
What should I expect? 10%, 20%, 30%, 40% ?

Have you considered the new Denon's? X4100 & X5200W. Seem to be very nice AVR's IMO. As suggested before AVS Store and possibly give you a very for one of those or especially last years 4520.

wse 08-16-2014 10:57 AM

I had very bad experience with Denon, not going there anytime soon!

phantom52 08-17-2014 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wse (Post 26617305)
I had very bad experience with Denon, not going there anytime soon!

Have you looked at the Anthems? Dealer only, no internet sales. If you have a dealer somewhere close it deserves a serious consideration. Also go www.audioadvisor.com and look at one of the Cambridge AVR's or NAD's. The Anthem ARC is touted by many to be one of the best REQ's available. Just a few more options to check out.

Selden Ball 08-17-2014 06:00 AM

Unfortunately, Cambridge doesn't provide a decent room EQ in their AVRs, if that matters to you. (They do provide Audyssey 2EQ in their top-of-the-line models, but measurements have shown that 2EQ does essentially nothing to the audio.)

phantom52 08-17-2014 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Selden Ball (Post 26634313)
Unfortunately, Cambridge doesn't provide a decent room EQ in their AVRs, if that matters to you. (They do provide Audyssey 2EQ in their top-of-the-line models, but measurements have shown that 2EQ does essentially nothing to the audio.)

With a system that the OP has setting it up the old fashioned way is what I would do. As it is though I wouldn't buy any AVR or pre-pro only due to its REQ method. Audyssey XT32 is nice but YPAO is more flexible and from test reports Anthems ARC is one of the best out there. Really depends on what wse really wants though. JMHO.

wse 08-17-2014 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phantom52 (Post 26635153)
With a system that the OP has setting it up the old fashioned way is what I would do. As it is though I wouldn't buy any AVR or pre-pro only due to its REQ method. Audyssey XT32 is nice but YPAO is more flexible and from test reports Anthems ARC is one of the best out there. Really depends on what wse really wants though. JMHO.

This will be primarily for movies (80%) and (20%) for music

- Sound quality
- ATMOS
- Wide front

wse 08-17-2014 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phantom52 (Post 26634009)
Have you looked at the Anthems? Dealer only, no internet sales. If you have a dealer somewhere close it deserves a serious consideration. Also go www.audioadvisor.com and look at one of the Cambridge AVR's or NAD's. The Anthem ARC is touted by many to be one of the best REQ's available. Just a few more options to check out.

Anthem doesn't do ATMOS or wide speakers!

Selden Ball 08-17-2014 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wse (Post 26640361)
This will be primarily for movies (80%) and (20%) for music

- Sound quality
- ATMOS
- Wide front

Given those requirements, personally I'd go with Marantz SR7009 at this point (later this fall, actually). I don't believe Yamaha has ever supported front wide speakers.

Unless you want to spend ~10x as much and get the Trinnov Altitude (+ external amps).

jdsmoothie 08-17-2014 12:55 PM

Marantz SR7009 expected to be released by end of August. :)

wse 08-17-2014 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Selden Ball (Post 26641513)
Given those requirements, personally I'd go with Marantz SR7009 at this point (later this fall, actually). I don't believe Yamaha has ever supported front wide speakers. Unless you want to spend ~10x as much and get the Trinnov Altitude (+ external amps).

Nope!

wse 08-17-2014 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdsmoothie (Post 26644489)
Marantz SR7009 expected to be released by end of August. :)

Thank you

audio4life 08-17-2014 01:23 PM

Hey, I don't think you would miss out on anything with either one of them. That said, my head says Marantz, but for some reason my heart says Yammy. My gut says wait to see what Atmos brings in owner's reviews, but my eyes say there's no way wse will be putting ceiling speakers in that ceiling! It's complicated, but sometimes I'm a complicated guy. :)

wse 08-17-2014 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by audio4life (Post 26645313)
Hey, I don't think you would miss out on anything with either one of them. That said, my head says Marantz, but for some reason my heart says Yammy. My gut says wait to see what Atmos brings in owner's reviews, but my eyes say there's no way wse will be putting ceiling speakers in that ceiling! It's complicated, but sometimes I'm a complicated guy. :)

I already have two in ceiling speakers in the main B&W Room :D

This receiver is for a small room (12.8 x 11 x 9) it will power 7 KEF LS50 + 2 KEF KHT6000 and I probably will install two in-ceiling speakers such as these

http://www.kef.com/html/us/showroom/...0RR/index.html

audio4life 08-17-2014 01:48 PM

Well, there you go! I still think you can't miss with either one.

wse 08-17-2014 01:53 PM

Maybe I will buy the RX-A3040 from Amazon and try it! If I like it great otherwise I will just send it back or negotiate a better price.

Gordon-XZ71 08-17-2014 02:57 PM

Quote:

I had very bad experience with Denon, not going there anytime soon!
If you have had a bad time with Denon, why would you go with Marantz ? Marantz and Denon Are owned by the same company and Marantz is basically the same as Denon internally with a few small differences made for Marantz.

wse 08-17-2014 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon-XZ71 (Post 26647617)
If you have had a bad time with Denon, why would you go with Marantz ? Marantz and Denon Are owned by the same company and Marantz is basically the same as Denon internally with a few small differences made for Marantz.

I was told they are manufactured differently is that not the case?

Gordon-XZ71 08-17-2014 05:50 PM

My understanding is that people have opened these and found that they are board for board, almost the same with a couple of features added for Marantz such as HDAM and Gold Plated Terminals. They may be built in different places. The Ipad & Android Apps look very similar too with the exception of each brands theme.

jdsmoothie 08-17-2014 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wse (Post 26650017)
I was told they are manufactured differently is that not the case?

It would be more in formative to tell us of your negative Denon experience so as to determine if it would most likely be experience with a Marantz unit.

audio4life 08-17-2014 06:01 PM

They used to be the same models on the inside, but not anymore. Audioholics did a comparison and came up with this:

http://www.audioholics.com/av-receiv...-sr6008-sr7008

What Makes a Marantz Different Than a Denon?
To start with, Denon and Marantz have difference engineering teams responsible for the final "house sound" of each brand. On the outside of each receiver, we can easily see that the front panels look different, the user interface is slightly modified, and Marantz tends to have higher quality binding posts and legacy audio support. But, what about differences we can’t readily see? What can you see if you crack open receivers from both companies? Below is a brief list of some, though not all, of the key differences between the two lineups. Note that these points are specific to the 08' Marantz receivers versus the 2013 Denon X series. Also note that some of these differences only apply to certain receivers in the lineups.

Current feedback preamp topology – Allows for higher slew rate and lower distortion at all volume levels (particularly at low levels) than comparable voltage feedback designs

Decoupled capacitors - To reduce residual noise and interference

Luxury power capacitors – Custom capacitors, larger values for Marantz SR7008 compared to the Denon AVR-X4000

Hyper Dynamic Amplifier Modules (HDAM’s) – A discrete preamplifier circuit module proprietary to Marantz that goes between the volume control and power amplifier section to further improve performance.




I think Marantz/Denon models used to be close, but that is no longer the case.

wse 08-17-2014 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by audio4life (Post 26652153)
They used to be the same models on the inside, but not anymore. Audioholics did a comparison and came up with this:

http://www.audioholics.com/av-receiv...-sr6008-sr7008

What Makes a Marantz Different Than a Denon?
To start with, Denon and Marantz have difference engineering teams responsible for the final "house sound" of each brand. On the outside of each receiver, we can easily see that the front panels look different, the user interface is slightly modified, and Marantz tends to have higher quality binding posts and legacy audio support. But, what about differences we can’t readily see? What can you see if you crack open receivers from both companies? Below is a brief list of some, though not all, of the key differences between the two lineups. Note that these points are specific to the 08' Marantz receivers versus the 2013 Denon X series. Also note that some of these differences only apply to certain receivers in the lineups.
- Current feedback preamp topology – Allows for higher slew rate and lower distortion at all volume levels (particularly at low levels) than comparable voltage feedback designs
- Decoupled capacitors - To reduce residual noise and interference
- Luxury power capacitors – Custom capacitors, larger values for Marantz SR7008 compared to the Denon AVR-X4000
- Hyper Dynamic Amplifier Modules (HDAM’s) – A discrete preamplifier circuit module proprietary to Marantz that goes between the volume control and power amplifier section to further improve performance. I think Marantz/Denon models used to be close, but that is no longer the case.

Thanks

wse 08-17-2014 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdsmoothie (Post 26651897)
It would be more in formative to tell us of your negative Denon experience so as to determine if it would most likely be experience with a Marantz unit.

Reliability was the issue, the Denon broke with-in three months get my money back!


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