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post #31 of 40 Old 08-17-2014, 06:58 PM
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You didn't mention any HDMI inputs. You're okay with leaving those out?
Yes. Also no analog video or audio inputs.

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and how much is your low cost limit?
$300 (though I suppose this depends on amp power...)
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Adding HDMI inputs to AV equipment? Why not build a time machine while you're at it!

You're lecturing on Auto, Food, and CE industries?

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Lets keep the discussion on track with CE products instead of autos and/or fashion..

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U may be an engineer but U are totally naive about consumer product marketing...
Uh huh.

Can you imagine if some dept. head spoke up at a sales meeting and said:

"We're working up a proposal to take our HTiB chassis, which already drives 2.1 or 5.1 sound, and adding 3 HDMI inputs to the I/O plate.

We may or may not yank the Blu-ray drive. We'll keep the Bluetooth and wifi. We'll market it as an entry-level HTiB with the segment differentiation that it has multiple HDMI inputs.

This way people who want to:
1.) Tie their DVD, DVR, and gaming system together,
2.) Stream music, movie, photo files from their phones or NAS via Bluetooth or LAN,
3.) Have better-than-TV-speakers sound,
4.) Universal remote control for volume and source switching,
5.) And then have just 1 HDMI Out cable to run up through their wall to their wall-mount TV,
will have the solution they've been looking for at a reasonable pricepoint. We'll probably sell a trillion units because every man, woman, child, and dog on the planet will buy 500 of them."


Except for the optimistic sales projections, I doubt anyone would crap their pants for sheer boldness and radicality of adding 3 HDMI inputs to a HTiB. This isn't the Edsel. It isn't New Coke. it's 3 inputs added to an AV component chassis and marketing it at a HTiB pricepoint.

But then I'm just some turnip fresh off the truck who couldn't imagine what a corporate marketing strategy meeting entails.*
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I probably shouldn't ask, but if (a) companies can engineer the slimline model at the low price you suggest and (b) there's a large market for such a device, why isn't it widely available?
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Can you imagine if some dept. head spoke up at a sales meeting and said:

"We're working up a proposal to take our HTiB chassis, which already drives 2.1 or 5.1 sound, and adding 3 HDMI inputs to the I/O plate.

We may or may not yank the Blu-ray drive. We'll keep the Bluetooth and wifi. We'll market it as an entry-level HTiB with the segment differentiation that it has multiple HDMI inputs.

This way people who want to:
1.) Tie their DVD, DVR, and gaming system together,
2.) Stream music, movie, photo files from their phones or NAS via Bluetooth or LAN,
3.) Have better-than-TV-speakers sound,
4.) Universal remote control for volume and source switching,
5.) And then have just 1 HDMI Out cable to run up through their wall to their wall-mount TV,
will have the solution they've been looking for at a reasonable pricepoint. We'll probably sell a trillion units because every man, woman, child, and dog on the planet will buy 500 of them."


Except for the optimistic sales projections, I doubt anyone would crap their pants for sheer boldness and radicality of adding 3 HDMI inputs to a HTiB. This isn't the Edsel. It isn't New Coke. it's 3 inputs added to an AV component chassis and marketing it at a HTiB pricepoint.

But then I'm just some turnip fresh off the truck who couldn't imagine what a corporate marketing strategy meeting entails.*
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*(I've sat in corporate marketing strategy meetings.)
I have no problem listening to new product proposals, we do it everyday...
Since we chair marketing/product strategy meetings with (2) major clients whose CE sales exceed $2.8 billion..
As an experienced, product development leader we are well aware of available components, respective material costs, labor costs, royalties and factory overhead costs..

Also as a responsible corporate executive, we know well our client's minimum profit margin requirements. And as I posted previously, your listed features @ the $199 (SRP) is ridiculous...
Your target product will go no further than the last stall in the men's room.
Perhaps a tuneup and/or overhaul is required for your turnip truck...

Just my $0.03...
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Since we chair marketing/product strategy meetings with (2) major clients whose CE sales exceed $2.8 billion..
Hey, that's just like how I regularly sprout wings and fly to the moon because the (7)-Eleven there makes the best Slurpees.

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Also as a responsible corporate executive,
Lemme finish that sentence for you:

"As a responsible corporate executive, I pose as a know-it-all on internet forums several hours a day every day. I get paid the Big Bucks to bloviate about how 1960s AV technology is the only financially viable consumer electronics product. hmm... Note to self: I deserve a raise. hmm again... Note to self number 2: Keep typing capital "U" in place of "You" in all Hi-Powered Billion-Dollar Corporate Strategy Partners email correspondence."

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...your listed features @ the $199 (SRP) is ridiculous...
Of course. A HTiB that currently retails for $150, take out the expense of the DVD drive (or leave it in), add in 3 HDMI inputs, charge $200... INSANITY!!!!!!!!!!!!111111

IT WOULD NEVER WORK!!!!!!!!!!!1111

ZOMG!!!!!!! *head...sploding mind...blowing earth...shattering*

(PS: This product is already on the market at this pricepoint. See thread starter post for link).
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Rural Waves, what you fail to understand is that I am willing to bet less than 1% of US households have anything other than their TV speakers as their sounds system. That is all they really care about. Even if you advertised that "Awesome, everybody and their dog wants one, do-everything slimline reciever" for $200, most people still wont want it. It has wires. Yucch. It has speaker boxes. Yucchh. It adds another remote, which even if universal, will inevitably NOT do something you need it to, so you still need the original remotes reasonably at hand.Double-Yucch.
If there was large, profitable market for it, it would be made. The one that IS on the market, is being closed-out at K-mart. Why? Because it sold millions and millions of units?
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Rural Waves,

Have you purchased the Netboxx yet? It seems like it has everything you want, what are you waiting for?

If it doesn't meet your needs it is easy enough to return since its Walmart.

Here is a review of the Netboxx receiver from 2010. Of course it was a MSRP $649 device at the time. The Walmart pricing is obviously clearance/discontinued.
http://hometheaterreview.com/sherwoo...boxx-reviewed/

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Rural Waves,

Have you purchased the Netboxx yet? It seems like it has everything you want, what are you waiting for?

If it doesn't meet your needs it is easy enough to return since its Walmart.

Here is a review of the Netboxx receiver from 2010. Of course it was a MSRP $649 device at the time. The Walmart pricing is obviously clearance/discontinued.
http://hometheaterreview.com/sherwoo...boxx-reviewed/
I don't think he will be buying anything...just here to
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Have you purchased the Netboxx yet? It seems like it has everything you want, what are you waiting for?
I made a purchase several days before you wrote your comment. It has the HDMI input switching and 5.1 speakers I wanted. Couldn't be happier. Thanks for your concern. The Market Has Spoken.

ETA: NASA nor DARPA had to get involved for me to find a slimline box with multi-HDMI input switching and driving 5.1 speakers for less than $250. Perhaps it's not as unattainable a product solution as you all whinged and wept about.

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Congrats! You should write a review about your purchase so that others in your situation know that there is something out there available to them.

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