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Emotiva XPA 3 & ML Motion 30 center compatible?

Dumb question? Maybe, but here goes ...

I'm ready to buy an amp for my front 3 speakers ... MartinLogan Motion 40 towers (4ohm - recommended amp power:20-300 wpc) and an ML Motion 30 center (4ohm - rcmnd amp power:20-200wpc).

The Emotiva XPA 3 ($799) is rated at 300watts RMS @ 4ohm with all channels driven ... Would the XPA 3 damage, or in other ways be incompatible with, the Motion 30?

Emotiva also sells the 5 channel UPA 500 ($349) which is rated at 125watts RMS @ 4ohms with all channels driven.

I'll be hooking the amp up to my Marantz SR5007 ... If the XPA 3 is compatible, that is my first choice (I think? :-)

Any opinions or recommendations out there concerning (1) the XPA 3 / Motion 30 compatibility issue, (2) the relative benefits of the UPA 500 compared to simply using the Marantz AVR, or (3) any comparable amplifier alternatives under $800?

The new house we're moving to will have a hard time accommodating my ML LX16 bookshelf surround speakers (although some Orb Audio Mod1s might fit on the wall, eventually), so a 3 channel amp would be ideal.

Thanks in advance ... P.S. The new home's great room is about 6,000 cu.ft. - in anticipation, I took advantage of SVS's one year upgrade policy and stepped up from a PC12+ to a PC13ultra ( and I don't even need to change my avatar :-)

If the Emotiva XPA 3 is actually compatible with the ML Motion 30, the plan will be to sell the LX16s to help pay for the amp, and go 3.1 rather than 5.1, at least for a while.
If I end up with the 5 channel UPA 500 amp, I may consider somehow making the LX16s fit for a 5.1 set up.

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The amp (and virtually any other amp that won't clip at your prefered listing levels) will be fine.

You can't buy too much power if that is your line of thinking.
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you replied to the "speakers" section thread I wrote ... and thank you for your reply :-)

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No I'm afraid it's not compatible, sorry. You'll have to buy six Krell Evolution 900e's.

There's also ATI 1803 and 2003.

Probably a few other brands, bit old but Rotel made a 3 channel RB-993. THX, 200W per channel.

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[QUOTE=fatbottom;26641377]No I'm afraid it's not compatible, sorry. You'll have to buy six Krell Evolution 900e's.

My wife will only let me get three of them

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They'll be no problem with XPA-3. I'm using a 3 channel amp that outputs 300W into 4ohm, speakers are rated at 200W. If you have the cash I'd go for XPA over UPA amps

No way I'd change ML LX16 to Orb speakers, even for surrounds
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They'll be no problem with XPA-3. I'm using a 3 channel amp that outputs 300W into 4ohm, speakers are rated at 200W. If you have the cash I'd go for XPA over UPA amps

No way I'd change ML LX16 to Orb speakers, even for surrounds
Thanks fatbottom
That's just the green light I was looking and hoping for ... And yes, I really like the ML LX16 - they (and for that matter the Motion 15s) are really nice speakers.

My dilemma is now this: I can't financially justify at this point (WAF) buying the XPA-3 (the SVS upgrade cost me $430 ... the PC13ultra was from the outlet shop) without selling the LX16s ... And no, I don't to wait however long it would be to buy an XPA-5 to power the entire 5.1 rig.

I'm wondering if a 3.1 setup powered by the XPA-3 would sound better, or as good, as a 5.1 rig powered by the UPA-500 ...

The LX16 surrounds wouldn't "look" great where they'd end up, nor would they be placed in the perfect 110 degree / equidistant position ... But they'd nevertheless be somewhat close to OK

I'm also considering the following and wondering about a 3.1 setup powered by ... A UPA-200 (200w driven @ 4ohms) for the Motion 40s and a used UPA-1 (300w) to power the Motion 30 center channel.
Can the 2 amps with different power output co-exist together in the same system?

I wish there was a UPA-300 to drive 3 channels pumping out about 175wpc ...

Anyway, thanks again for the reply fatbottom : )

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Thanks fatbottom That's just the green light I was looking and hoping for ... My dilemma is now this: I can't financially justify at this point (WAF) buying the XPA-3 (the SVS upgrade cost me $430 ... the PC13ultra was from the outlet shop) without selling the LX16s ... And no, I don't to wait however long it would be to buy an XPA-5 to power the entire 5.1 rig.
Fatbottom is right, the XPA-3 and your ML's would work fine together. (Mine do!) And I also agree with FB about sticking with the XPA over the UPA.

But your Marantz SR5007 is probably up to the job of driving your 5.1 set-up without difficulty, even in that big room, even without the XPA-3. Personally, I'd much rather keep my 5.1 set-up driven exclusively by the Marantz, rather than step down to 3.1, and lose my surround, just to get the XPA-3 on board. (As you already know, ML says "All of our Motion series speakers are compatible with 4, 6 or 8 Ohm output audio amplifiers and receivers.")

Trust me, I get wanting the extra power the XPA-3 offers, but I'd never sacrifice surround sound to get it, at least until I knew for a fact that I had to. And odds are, you don't have to.
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Personally I'd save up for the larger power amplifiers. Amps are long term investments. My last ones I had for 10+ years and still got six of them for other systems. You can mix and match but probably best to have the same. XPA-3 for front three, Marantz for the rears/sides.

Using ATI 2003 for front three, Audiolab 8000SX/8000PX for side/rears. ATI 2004 is too expensive just for surrounds so have to leave it at that.

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Any of these interest you?

http://www.classicaudioparts.com/ind...mplifiers.html

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thanks for the advice and perspectives fellas !

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Fatbottom is right, the XPA-3 and your ML's would work fine together. (Mine do!) And I also agree with FB about sticking with the XPA over the UPA.

Trust me, I get wanting the extra power the XPA-3 offers, but I'd never sacrifice surround sound to get it, at least until I knew for a fact that I had to. And odds are, you don't have to.
[QUOTE=fatbottom;26661705]Personally I'd save up for the larger power amplifiers. Amps are long term investments. My last ones I had for 10+ years and still got six of them for other systems. You can mix and match but probably best to have the same. XPA-3 for front three, Marantz for the rears/sides.


thanks again fellas :-)

XPA-3 is on the way ... $650 for a Gen2 b-stock ! I'll be selling my car stereo rig to pay for it, thus being able to hang on to both pair of ML LX16s ( maintaining my 5.1 and 2.1 home rigs ).
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Thought you would have bought one of these

http://www.wwsp.com/ati/at6000.htm

Only weighs 138lbs for 7 channel version
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thanks again fellas :-) XPA-3 is on the way ... $650 for a Gen2 b-stock! I'll be selling my car stereo rig to pay for it, thus being able to hang on to both pair of ML LX16s (maintaining my 5.1 and 2.1 home rigs).
That's a really good solution. Congrats and enjoy. Post back with impressions after listening. 👍
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Thought you would have bought one of these

http://www.wwsp.com/ati/at6000.htm

Only weighs 138lbs for 7 channel version
Actually, I was going to buy this amp ... and shell out $999 for the amp platform ... except that I'd have to change the outlet to accommodate the AT6000 :-)

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Personally I'd save up for the larger power amplifiers. Amps are long term investments. My last ones I had for 10+ years and still got six of them for other systems. You can mix and match but probably best to have the same. XPA-3 for front three, Marantz for the rears/sides.


thanks again fellas :-)

XPA-3 is on the way ... $650 for a Gen2 b-stock ! I'll be selling my car stereo rig to pay for it, thus being able to hang on to both pair of ML LX16s ( maintaining my 5.1 and 2.1 home rigs ).
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Where did you get the XPA-3 B-Stock for $650? I am looking for one myself.
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Where did you get the XPA-3 B-Stock for $650? I am looking for one myself.
You need to call Emotiva ... and then inquire as to whether a particular product is available as b-stock.

As of this past Wednesday, the salesperson said he had a few XPA-3s available ...
...he also had at least on XPA-5 (b-stock) for $800

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You need to call Emotiva ... and then inquire as to whether a particular product is available as b-stock.
Props Tom, that should be killer in your room. I bought my XPA-3 as a refurb last year too. Wasn't sure about the whole refurb thing. For WAF, I knew it had to perform like new, but also look perfect. I didn't know if that was a reasonable thing to expect.

So I called Emotiva and asked about stock on hand. I explained the WAF thing. The Emotiva tech I talked to totally got it. He offered to go back into the warehouse, look at stock on hand, and pick one out. He called back 30 minutes later and said he found one that was perfect. I said thanks, let's go.

The product I received wasn't just satisfactory. It looked brand new. It was packaged like brand new. It was warranted like brand new. Most importantly, it has performed like a flawless beast for every minute of every day since then.

Best part is, the wife thinks I'm a genius for finding such a deal. She's wrong, of course, but I can live with that.

I bet yours is going to be exactly the same. Post details!
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Props Tom, that should be killer in your room. I bought my XPA-3 as a refurb last year too. Wasn't sure about the whole refurb thing. For WAF, I knew it had to perform like new, but also look perfect. I didn't know if that was a reasonable thing to expect.

So I called Emotiva and asked about stock on hand. I explained the WAF thing. The Emotiva tech I talked to totally got it. He offered to go back into the warehouse, look at stock on hand, and pick one out. He called back 30 minutes later and said he found one that was perfect. I said thanks, let's go.

The product I received wasn't just satisfactory. It looked brand new. It was packaged like brand new. It was warranted like brand new. Most importantly, it has performed like a flawless beast for every minute of every day since then.

Best part is, the wife thinks I'm a genius for finding such a deal. She's wrong, of course, but I can live with that.

I bet yours is going to be exactly the same. Post details!
Thanks mogrub :-)

Mine arrived Friday and looks brand new as well ... my RCA cables are due in this week and I'm looking forward to hooking it all up.

I'm even more looking forward to moving into the new home (last week of Sept.), putting a fresh coat of paint on the (29' x 16') great room, and assembling my system with the new amp.

I'll bump this thread in 5 or 6 weeks with details, pics, and reflections ... thanks again :-)

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Fatbottom is right, the XPA-3 and your ML's would work fine together. (Mine do!) And I also agree with FB about sticking with the XPA over the UPA.

But your Marantz SR5007 is probably up to the job of driving your 5.1 set-up without difficulty, even in that big room, even without the XPA-3. Personally, I'd much rather keep my 5.1 set-up driven exclusively by the Marantz, rather than step down to 3.1, and lose my surround, just to get the XPA-3 on board. (As you already know, ML says "All of our Motion series speakers are compatible with 4, 6 or 8 Ohm output audio amplifiers and receivers.")

Trust me, I get wanting the extra power the XPA-3 offers, but I'd never sacrifice surround sound to get it, at least until I knew for a fact that I had to. And odds are, you don't have to.
You wouldn't be sacrificing surround. You'd use the XPA-3 for the front three, and your AVR for surrounds. It's not a one or the other proposition.

You guys have it all backwards. In my house we dont have WAF, we have HAF. Bread winner calls the shots when it comes to major purchases. Though in practice we both make our own decisions, we don't ask for each other's approval. Especially when it comes to electronics, why would she care? I don't tell her what tampons to buy.

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You wouldn't be sacrificing surround. You'd use the XPA-3 for the front three, and your AVR for surrounds. It's not a one or the other proposition.
Back then, Tom thought it would have to be one or the other, due to budget constraints.

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I can't financially justify ... buying the XPA-3 ... without selling the LX16s ... I'm wondering if a 3.1 setup powered by the XPA-3 would sound better, or as good, as a 5.1 rig powered by the UPA-500.
But then he came up with an alternative financing plan to make the new 5.1 rig happen.

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... XPA-3 is on the way ... $650 for a Gen2 b-stock! I'll be selling my car stereo rig to pay for it, thus being able to hang on to both pair of ML LX16s maintaining my 5.1 and 2.1 home rigs ... I'll bump this thread in 5 or 6 weeks with details, pics, and reflections ... thanks again :-)
Pics and reflections coming soon ...
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Two weeks into the new surroundings, I couldn't be more pleased with how everything sounds :-)

I dedicated the longest section of wall space (16') in our 29' x 16' great room to the HT rig and it fit wonderfully. Just enough elbow room for the Motion 40s and the PC13ultra sub. And as luck would have it, Audyssey gave me a nice and symmetrical -5.5dB for all 3 front (LCR) channels.
The components fit nicely on an end table, with the Emotive XPA-3 underneath, resting upon the (since exchanged) PB2000 sub platform I was hanging onto for just the right circumstance.

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The XPA-3 appears to have added the power that the Motion 40s and 30 deserve ... Especially at lower listening levels, the speakers have come alive, so to speak. Kick drums have a profound impact, and vocals are crystal clear, whether it's TV or movie dialogue, or an opera aria.

Orchestral instrumentation seems more distinct and separated now, providing an even greater soundstage ... my opera and classical music Blu-rays sound better than ever and the bass-heavy chillstep for casual listening appears more alive and detailed.

Not sure I needed to upgrade my my PC12plus to the PC13ultra, but I did and there's plenty of low end sub frequencies throughout the entire one-floor abode. I can only assume that the ultra driver has added to an even more precise bottom two octaves.

So between the XPA-3 addition and the sub upgrade, power will never be an issue ... the added detail and nuance that these to most recent purchases have provided have elevated my 5.1 HT rig to a whole new level.
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Two weeks into the new surroundings, I couldn't be more pleased with how everything sounds ... power will never be an issue ... the added detail and nuance that these most recent purchases have provided have elevated my 5.1 HT rig to a whole new level.
Thanks for the update Tom, and your pics look great. 👍
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