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Processor/AVR thoughts and suggestions

Hey everyone, I was hoping to start a discussion and gets some thoughts on a new processor or AVR. I just sold off my Meridian G68 and HD621 and have about $4500 to spend. In terms of the use, I would say the most important to me is 2 channel sound quality, then surround sound. We spend about 70% of our surround sound time on DirecTV, 20% on Netflix streaming, and about 10% on watching blu-ray movies. I will pop in a concert blu-ray from time to time. I have a 5.1 set up at the moment, but will move to a 7.1 when we get into a new house next year.

The two options I was thinking of is either getting a mid-level processor that will decode the latest codecs via HDMI, and getting a really nice 2 channel preamp and using the pass through for music sessions and the processor for TV and movies. The other option would be getting a kick ass processor to do both. What are the forums thoughts on this? I would love recommendations for the mid level processor that has the pass through option. Balanced inputs are a must for my fronts.

In terms of the one box option, I am looking at the McIntosh MX121, Anthem D2V 3D, Krell Foundation, and the Marantz 8801. Thoughts on the 2 ch quality of those?

My current equipment:
B&W N802's, HTM1, and SCMS
2x McIntosh MC352's
McIntosh MC7205
Oppo 103D

Please help!
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Not many have true balanced, most just have XLR inline with RCA outputs. I don't believe the 8801 is true balanced.

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Not many have true balanced, most just have XLR inline with RCA outputs. I don't believe the 8801 is true balanced.
Sorry, I meant that I would need XLR connections on the preamp for each channel. I did notice the MX121 has 2 balanced inputs and 9 balanced outputs.
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Marantaz 77xx has XLR, granted not balanced, but reasonbly priced. If I had to buy a new AV pre that's what I'd probably get. 88xx has sub EQ but that's another £1000+

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Unfortunately, the question as to whether or not modern, high quality, multichannel pre/pros can handle two channel audio as well as a dedicated preamp almost invariably starts flamewars. My personal takeaway from that is that in many cases they're too close to call.

Automated room EQ often can compensate for infelicities in speakers and room acoustics for two channel as well as multichannel surround sound. A failing(?) of the McIntosh MX121 is that it includes only Audyssey MultEQ XT, while the Marantz AV8801 has the much superior Audyssey MultEQ XT32. Of course, a well treated room with quality speakers often can reduce the need for electronic EQ.

The Marantz AV7702 pre/pro will include SubEQ (as part of Audyssey MultEQ XT32) so it will be comparable to the AV8801 in that regard, but it won't be available for several months. (Note that SubEQ is the name of Audyssey's feature which supports separate distance and sound level settings for two separate subwoofers. Audyssey MultEQ XT can EQ a single subwoofer without that.)

The other major feature of the AV7702 (and the AV8802 in February) will be Dolby Atmos. Supposedly Atmos soundtracks will be available on some BD and streamed titles by the holidays.

Both features (XT32 & Atmos) will be included in the Marantz SR7009 receiver, which is expected to be available in a couple of weeks, with a list price of about $2K. It will have preamp outputs but unfortunately won't have XLR connections.

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Onkyo 5509 is going for really cheap right now.
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Onkyo 5509 is going for really cheap right now.
Is it worth risking £1500 HDMI failures?

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How about using an Marantz AV7701 and a McIntosh C2300 tube preamp together. The McIntosh has an HT bypass on it.
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I'm confused about the comment on the Marantz preouts not being balanced. So they have XLR outputs, but they are unbalanced?

I have an Emotiva XPA 3 and 5 with XLR inputs. They are balanced inputs.

So if I had a Marantz preamp and used the XLR outputs with the XPA amps, what happens? Is this not a good idea?

If you search the Marantz manual for the 7701, it refers to "7.2 ch XLR Balanced Output" as well.
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Are you sure the XPA series is fully balanced? I read somewhere they're not.

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http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/t...ifier-balanced

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Is it worth risking £1500 HDMI failures?
I'll find out since I bought one
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Interesting. What's the point of all the XLR cabling then? Just cleaner signal and noise resistance?

If so, I still need that in my setup. My UMC-200 rings horribly with the XPA amps. I'm hoping an XLR connection with protect from the noise instruction, balanced or not.
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Interesting. What's the point of all the XLR cabling then? Just cleaner signal and noise resistance?

If so, I still need that in my setup. My UMC-200 rings horribly with the XPA amps. I'm hoping an XLR connection with protect from the noise instruction, balanced or not.
I have always been told XLR cables are good for long run interconnects. My left channel amp is about 25 feet from the preamp and that length of an unbalanced interconnect is a prospect to pick up noise.

How do you like your Emotiva? I am looking for somehting on the less expensive side to run my surround processing via HDMI and I am going with a McIntosh C2500 preamp for my two channel. It has an HT pass through on it. I was looking at that or getting a used Anthem MRX to use for processing and room correction for movies.
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In terms of the one box option, I am looking at the McIntosh MX121, Anthem D2V 3D, Krell Foundation, and the Marantz 8801. Thoughts on the 2 ch quality of those?
From what I have read from reliable sources, the Krell is as good as any stereo pre-amp for 2 ch.
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Hey everyone, I was hoping to start a discussion and gets some thoughts on a new processor or AVR. I just sold off my Meridian G68 and HD621 and have about $4500 to spend. In terms of the use, I would say the most important to me is 2 channel sound quality, then surround sound. We spend about 70% of our surround sound time on DirecTV, 20% on Netflix streaming, and about 10% on watching blu-ray movies. I will pop in a concert blu-ray from time to time. I have a 5.1 set up at the moment, but will move to a 7.1 when we get into a new house next year.

The two options I was thinking of is either getting a mid-level processor that will decode the latest codecs via HDMI, and getting a really nice 2 channel preamp and using the pass through for music sessions and the processor for TV and movies. The other option would be getting a kick ass processor to do both. What are the forums thoughts on this? I would love recommendations for the mid level processor that has the pass through option. Balanced inputs are a must for my fronts.

In terms of the one box option, I am looking at the McIntosh MX121, Anthem D2V 3D, Krell Foundation, and the Marantz 8801. Thoughts on the 2 ch quality of those?

My current equipment:
B&W N802's, HTM1, and SCMS
2x McIntosh MC352's
McIntosh MC7205
Oppo 103D

Please help!
All I can add is that I am very pleased with my MX121 mated to MC 8207. You should audition at home if possible. I know that many claim the MX121 is just a re-badged 8801 but that is simply not the case. The MX121 sounds much better than the 8801. I haven't heard the Krell foundation but I did listen to the other three. I liked the Mac the best. Have fun!
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