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Upgrade or NOT? from Denon 4311ci to Yamaha RX-A2020 ???

Hi guys,

I currently own Denon 4311ci and it's a very nice receiver. I did however once tested it vs the Yamaha RX-A2020.

Yamaha was very impressive with the clarity of sound (a bit more detail was heard with higher frequencies) and LFE was amazing (better than 4311ci) but I still kept Denon 4311 as it did better with regular TV from cable sound.

I got thinking that maybe the reason why Denon was not giving such detail as Yamaha is because of my poor room acoustics and maybe Denon's Audyssey room correction software on purpose made sound a bit less bright to compensate??? Could that be? Should I try turning off the Audessey and test those movies again? But then all other setting (LFE volume) won't be accurate.

Any thoughts?

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Audyssey has two major settings that Denon calls "Audyssey Reference" and "Flat". Reference includes a high-frequency rolloff to compensate for a high-frequency boost often included in theatrical mixes. Flat might be more appropriate for you.

Often small changes in the way the calibration was done can cause unexpected differences in how the result sounds. You might want to try running the calibration again, following the guidelines in the Audyssey 101 document. See "Official" Audyssey thread (FAQ in post #51779)
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Audyssey has two major settings that Denon calls "Audyssey Reference" and "Flat". Reference includes a high-frequency rolloff to compensate for a high-frequency boost often included in theatrical mixes. Flat might be more appropriate for you.

Often small changes in the way the calibration was done can cause unexpected differences in how the result sounds. You might want to try running the calibration again, following the guidelines in the Audyssey 101 document. See "Official" Audyssey thread (FAQ in post #51779)
Selden,

Excellent advice . Specifically the suggestion to recalibrate following the guidelines in the provided link. I prefer the "Flat" setting over the "Reference" setting.

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Selden,

Excellent advice . Specifically the suggestion to recalibrate following the guidelines in the provided link. I prefer the "Flat" setting over the "Reference" setting.

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Audyssey has two major settings that Denon calls "Audyssey Reference" and "Flat". Reference includes a high-frequency rolloff to compensate for a high-frequency boost often included in theatrical mixes. Flat might be more appropriate for you.

Often small changes in the way the calibration was done can cause unexpected differences in how the result sounds. You might want to try running the calibration again, following the guidelines in the Audyssey 101 document. See "Official" Audyssey thread (FAQ in post #51779)
My Denon 4311 only offers FLAT, Manual, or L/R Off

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My Denon 4311 only offers FLAT, Manual, or L/R Off
I think you're overlooking the plain "Audyssey" setting. The suffix "Reference" was added for later models, presumably to reduce this kind of confusion In particular, see page 89 of the 4311's manual. "Audyssey" includes the hf rolloff, "Auidyssey Flat" does not. See the attached screengrab.
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So suggestion is to try FLAT option as well as Turning it completely OFF.

right?

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Right. And/or run another calibration.

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Audyssey has two major settings that Denon calls "Audyssey Reference" and "Flat". Reference includes a high-frequency rolloff to compensate for a high-frequency boost often included in theatrical mixes. Flat might be more appropriate for you.

Often small changes in the way the calibration was done can cause unexpected differences in how the result sounds. You might want to try running the calibration again, following the guidelines in the Audyssey 101 document. See "Official" Audyssey thread (FAQ in post #51779)
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Selden,

Excellent advice . Specifically the suggestion to recalibrate following the guidelines in the provided link. I prefer the "Flat" setting over the "Reference" setting.

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I think you're overlooking the plain "Audyssey" setting. The suffix "Reference" was added for later models, presumably to reduce this kind of confusion In particular, see page 89 of the 4311's manual. "Audyssey" includes the hf rolloff, "Auidyssey Flat" does not. See the attached screengrab.

Hmm ... just checked and I do not have an option FLAT. Only Manual, OFF and l/r off or Audeyssey

Either way ... I tried checking sound with Audessey OFF and bass was a bit lighter than when I have it turned on. Highs are a bit more pronounced but not by much.

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Hmm ... just checked and I do not have an option FLAT. Only Manual, OFF and l/r off or Audeyssey

Either way ... I tried checking sound with Audessey OFF and bass was a bit lighter than when I have it turned on. Highs are a bit more pronounced but not by much.
Hello Pianist718-the progression in Audio adjust for Audyssey should be "Audyssey"; the next step being "Audyssey Flat". Try going to "Auto Setup", Parameter check; scroll down to equalization; and there should be two curves-one for "Audyssey", and one for "Audyssey Flat".
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I think you're overlooking the plain "Audyssey" setting. The suffix "Reference" was added for later models, presumably to reduce this kind of confusion In particular, see page 89 of the 4311's manual. "Audyssey" includes the hf rolloff, "Auidyssey Flat" does not. See the attached screengrab.
The use of the word "Reference" has just started with the release of the new 2014 D&M models.
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Hmm ... just checked and I do not have an option FLAT. Only Manual, OFF and l/r off or Audeyssey

Either way ... I tried checking sound with Audessey OFF and bass was a bit lighter than when I have it turned on. Highs are a bit more pronounced but not by much.

I have the 4311 and just checked the Audyssey options using the Audyssey button on the 4311's remote. The options are "Audyssey", "Audyssey Flat" and "Off". You could try using the remote button instead of going into the 4311's menu. If you are not seeing the "Flat" setting there must be some setting in the menu causing the "Flat" setting option not to show.

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I have the 4311 and just checked the Audyssey options using the Audyssey button on the 4311's remote. The options are "Audyssey", "Audyssey Flat" and "Off". You could try using the remote button instead of going into the 4311's menu. If you are not seeing the "Flat" setting there must be some setting in the menu causing the "Flat" setting option not to show.

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Yea in Menu I actually turned it off. It;'s back ON again. Will do some testing over the weekend.

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