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Audyssey vs. Pioneer Auto MCACC vs. Dolby Atmos

Is Pioneers MCACC significantly inferior to Audyssey? I know very little about competing technologies and I'm looking for some expert advice. Thanks in advance!

I am looking to purchase a new sub and want room correction for my whole system.

I am considering getting a Pioneer VSX-1123 to replace a 2007 Onkyo with no room correction because I want auto calibration.

HDMI Inputs are important me (6+ I would think). I would like to spend around $300 (Amazon has a used Pioneer VSX-1123 for around $300).

Lastly, I am looking to spend a smaller amount now while Atmos gets worked out and perhaps in the future I will invest more in a higher end Receiver.
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Audyssey vs. Pioneer Auto MCACC vs. Dolby Atmos
The first two are room correction, the last one is a mixing/rendering technology.
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I would like to spend around $300 (Amazon has a used Pioneer VSX-1123 for around $300).
The cheapest Atmos receiver costs twice that.

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The first two are room correction, the last one is a mixing/rendering technology. The cheapest Atmos receiver costs twice that.
So is one room correction technology superior to the other?



Do you think that I ought to go ahead and pay the extra for the Atmos now, or do you think that superior receivers will come along at much lower prices in the near future?

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So is one room correction technology superior to the other?
Around the $300 price point, there's not much difference. Both are fine for auto calibration (setting distances and levels) but not for equalization (removing peaks & dips from the frequency response).
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Do you think that I ought to go ahead and pay the extra for the Atmos now, or do you think that superior receivers will come along at much lower prices in the near future?
It is the nature of electronics to get better AND cheaper over time. Receivers aren't exempt. If you're not in a rush to get Atmos, wait to see how the dust settles over the next year.

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Around the $300 price point, there's not much difference. Both are fine for auto calibration (setting distances and levels) but not for equalization (removing peaks & dips from the frequency response). It is the nature of electronics to get better AND cheaper over time. Receivers aren't exempt. If you're not in a rush to get Atmos, wait to see how the dust settles over the next year.
How much do I have to pay to get a receiver that can do equalization?
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How much is your budget?
As cheap as possible I suppose. Less than $600 if possible.

I noticed the Onkyo TX-NR818 has the auto calibration, but not the subEQ which I guess helps with subs. Is that going to greatly effect the equalization with a system with 1 sub or does it come into play when you have 2?
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As cheap as possible I suppose. Less than $600 if possible.

I noticed the Onkyo TX-NR818 has the auto calibration, but not the subEQ which I guess helps with subs. Is that going to greatly effect the equalization with a system with 1 sub or does it come into play when you have 2?
The 818 has audessey XT32 which does a fine job on sub EQ it just doesn't do dual subs independently like the denon versions of XT32.
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As cheap as possible I suppose. Less than $600 if possible.

I noticed the Onkyo TX-NR818 has the auto calibration, but not the subEQ which I guess helps with subs. Is that going to greatly effect the equalization with a system with 1 sub or does it come into play when you have 2?
If you can get the 818 for $600 it is your best bet. ...Just get it.
And don't worry about SubEQ, it is not the end of the world. And it is indeed for two subs, but even then, you can EQ your two subs as one.
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If you can get the 818 for $600 it is your best bet. ...Just get it.
And don't worry about SubEQ, it is not the end of the world. And it is indeed for two subs, but even then, you can EQ your two subs as one.
I'm looking to get a Seaton Submersive HP so that would be the nicest part of my setup. If I have just one is the Onkyo 818 going to help it sound its best or do I need to pay up a few hundred dollars to get the SubEQ?
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I'm looking to get a Seaton Submersive HP so that would be the nicest part of my setup. If I have just one is the Onkyo 818 going to help it sound its best or do I need to pay up a few hundred dollars to get the SubEQ?
A single Seaton Submersive cannot take advantage of SubEQ; XT32 will work just fine (and will also work with multiple subs, it just won't set level/delay independently for two subs, which is what SubEQ provides https://audyssey.zendesk.com/entries...vs-MultEQ-XT32).

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Oh, and nice choice of sub!
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You guys have been super helpful! I'm learning a lot and quickly. Thanks so much!
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If I have just one is the Onkyo 818 going to help it sound its best or do I need to pay up a few hundred dollars to get the SubEQ?
Get the Onkyo 818. It includes the best room correction/equalization that Audyssey makes. Not worth spending more to get SubEQHT.

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...And two to three years from now, you'll have a much better vision on what the new AV receivers will have and have not... ...Plus the software to go with it.

Smart move; with both the 818 and Submersive.
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I'm looking to get a Seaton Submersive HP so that would be the nicest part of my setup. If I have just one is the Onkyo 818 going to help it sound its best or do I need to pay up a few hundred dollars to get the SubEQ?
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A single Seaton Submersive cannot take advantage of SubEQ; XT32 will work just fine (and will also work with multiple subs, it just won't set level/delay independently for two subs, which is what SubEQ provides https://audyssey.zendesk.com/entries...vs-MultEQ-XT32).
Audyssey XT32 offers much finer resolution at the lower frequencies than earlier versions of Audyssey which all systems can benefit from. I wouldn't be super concerned about the 2nd subwoofer capability as often you are better off with an outboard device to blend multiple units and then let Audyssey correct the blended set of subs. A better investment of the $$$ would be to get a USB microphone to help see what the sub does at different locations and how well Audyssey corrects the system at important locations and for fine tuning of the subwoofer's crossover to the main speakers.

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But it's a Onkyo..
It should last a year or two, just in time to upgrade to a Denon or a Marantz one, perhaps. ...& Dolby Atmos.
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Just remember to manually calibrate the sub before running Audessey.
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Just remember to manually calibrate the sub before running Audessey.
His receiver comes with an instruction manual.
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Just remember to manually calibrate the sub before running Audessey.
His receiver comes with an instruction manual.
Does the instruction manual calibrate his sub for him?
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Does the instruction manual calibrate his sub for him?
If he follows the Audyssey setup instructions, yes. Are you sure you mean calibrate?

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If he follows the Audyssey setup instructions, yes. Are you sure you mean calibrate?
Yes. Calibrate. I used to have an SVS AS-EQ1 With Audessey Multeq XT and even though it did a fantastic job on the to subs Attached it did an even better job if I manually calibrated it first. Automatic room correction isn't Perfect and by doing some pre-correction manual calibration make the job easier for the receiver.

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Just remember to manually calibrate the sub before running Audessey.
Yes indeed. As the Audyssey CTO has always recommended .... use the sub's on board EQ first and then use Audyssey for the final EQ.
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My last post was humorous and at the same time serious too.

1. The manual will indicate to balance his sub with his mains, I believe.
2. Setting the gain of his sub(s) with all the other channel levels so that they are all equally leveled with each other, manually with a SPL meter and with an appropriate audio test tone disc, like Avia, is very good.
3. Run Audyssey. ...The full 8 microphone positions.
4. Check results, fine-tune, using the SPL meter, your ears, measurements, ...
5. Ok?
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...And:

1. Always write down your own manual calibration results.
2. And the same for the Audyssey's automatic calibration results.
3. Compare, do it as long as you think you need it to do it, till satisfaction (results with ears).
4. Experiment; with various mic positionings.
5. Audyssey MultEQ XT32 for the sub(s): very good to balance the sub(s) level with all the mains.

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Yes. Calibrate. I used to have an SVS AS-EQ1 With Audessey Multeq XT and even though it did a fantastic job on the to subs Attached it did an even better job if I manually calibrated it first. Automatic room correction isn't Perfect and by doing some pre-correction manual calibration make the job easier for the receiver.
Does the HP actually have its own user-controlled DSP? Thought Mark had to set that up?

Sure, if you have such dsp at your fingertips do that first, but many subs don't have such let alone a standalone unit like your SVS or a miniDSP etc. Was thinking more of calibration to be a level calibration rather than eq/correctio for your room, too....

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Yeah, calibration and EQ are two very different things.

Calibration is most important; without it the EQ is not up to it.
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Does the HP actually have its own user-controlled DSP? Thought Mark had to set that up?

Sure, if you have such dsp at your fingertips do that first, but many subs don't have such let alone a standalone unit like your SVS or a miniDSP etc. Was thinking more of calibration to be a level calibration rather than eq/correctio for your room, too....
I always use REW to set up phase and Level on the subs first. I don't have an eq now but an Anti-mode is on its way. When it comes I will setup the subs With REW again to make sure they are at their best, then use Anti-mode calibration and finally YPAO. Hopefully this will correct a rather bumpy curve. If not the Anti-mode goes back and I will continue to look for an SVS AS-EQ1.
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