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Aka... skip the legacy and go for Auro only.

If Auro didn't compromise the 5.1 by stealing bits that might be an option....

No 7.1? No thanks... I would fight that fight all day lone...



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Aka... skip the legacy and go for Auro only.
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If Auro didn't compromise the 5.1 by stealing bits that might be an option....

Do we know if there has ever been a [public] DBT between a 5.1 Surround PCM Master input to the Auro-3D Engine Encoder and the Encrypted Auro-encoded 5.1 PCM Master which it has output (both played back without any Auro-3D Engine Decoder used) . . . ?

Auro Technologies has always claimed the altered bits present in the Encrypted Auro-encoded 5.1 PCM Master affect playback only below the noise floor, but it would be comforting to know that those mixing Auro-3D soundtracks for BD have personally validated that assertion...?!


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No 7.1? No thanks... I would fight that fight all day lone...
Auro13.1 has 7.1 in base layer - use that one.

It would make more sense with a rear array than SBR/SBL, though... but unfortunately there's no such Auro version. (Can DTS:X do it perhaps?)

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Auro13.1 has 7.1 in base layer - use that one. It would make more sense with a rear array than SBR/SBL, though... but unfortunately there's no such Auro version. (Can DTS:X do it perhaps?)

The Dolby AC-4, MPEG-H 3D Audio, and [presumably also] DTS:X immersive audio codecs were designed to meet the candidate requirements for the next generation Japanese TV audio system, which is specified as 22.2 speakers, viz: 10.2.9 plus 3 Bottom Layer ("floor") speakers. Just how much of this capability|complexity might be present in BD, download, or streamed implementations outside Japan still remains to be seen...


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I upgraded my Denon X4300H yesterday I only see two choices Auro 3D or 2 channel Auro 3D is there not supposed to be an Auromatrix for non-Auro 3D content?
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I upgraded my Denon X4300H yesterday I only see two choices Auro 3D or 2 channel Auro 3D is there not supposed to be an Auromatrix for non-Auro 3D content?
Nope. Just select Auro 3D or 2D which will use AuroMatic when a non-Auro audio track is being received.
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I feel its the most important speaker in the whole immersive world.
If immersive is disapointing, and in a lot of movies it is (even native Atmos will disapoint a lot), run the same movie in Auro 3D with VOG and you step into a different immersive world.

But thats me talking, and i have the VOG pumped up to + 5 dB compared to the Audyssey setting.
You know what, if you return the VOG to its correct calibrated setting and pump up the Front Height Left speaker +5 dB, suddenly Front Height Left will become the most important speaker in the whole immersive world.

Then turn that one back down, pump Rear Height Right +5 dB and see what happens.
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You know what, if you return the VOG to its correct calibrated setting and pump up the Front Height Left speaker +5 dB, suddenly Front Height Left will become the most important speaker in the whole immersive world.

Then turn that one back down, pump Rear Height Right +5 dB and see what happens.

You do not read correct, i "pump" all the surrounds compared to Audyssey, the one more then the other, and all to my liking !
I set the VOG higher as this is a lesser sensitive speaker, and just one compared to 4x Height.
Think the way you react, you do not have a VOG

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I set the VOG higher as this is a lesser sensitive speaker, and just one compared to 4x Height.
The speaker's sensitivity is factored into the Audyssey calibration. You're setting that channel +5 dB higher than calibrated, which is a lot. There should be no surprise that it's the most prominent speaker in your system. As I said, if you bump up any other speaker by +5 dB, then that speaker will suddenly become the most prominent in your system.

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In fact, I have two VOG speakers over my seats, though I don't use them the way you do.
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In fact, I have two VOG speakers over my seats, though I don't use them the way you do.

Good for you
Thought the way you reacted that you were a non Auro user, sorry.......
Still, no matter how a user sets the speakers, the VOG is doing for me more then 4x Height, and this has noting to do with +5, its just the spot exact above my/your head that makes the VOG stand out for me.
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Good for you
Thought the way you reacted that you were a non Auro user, sorry.......
I don't use Auro. I extract extra speaker channels from 7.1.4 by using multiple AVRs. I have 8 height speakers on my ceiling.

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Still, no matter how a user sets the speakers, the VOG is doing for me more then 4x Height,and this has noting to do with +5,
Yeah, it really does, though.

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its just the spot exact above my/your head that makes the VOG stand out for me.
Also, you have it cranked up super loud.

A single Voice-of-God location is not actually a particularly great place to put a speaker, because our hearing is not all that good with sounds coming from directly above us. It's better to have two speakers flanking your head on both sides.
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Seems to become more and more a trolling thread for
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non Auro users
This is simply a difference of opinions. Remeber when Keith Barnes used to post here regularly?

Keith's opinion of Auro could be summed up in this (other) thread post:

Wiring new theater: What's the best overall speaker setup (Atmos, DTSX, 7.1, etc)

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This is simply a difference of opinions. Remeber when Keith Barnes used to post here regularly?

Keith's opinion of Auro could be summed up in this (other) thread post:

Wiring new theater: What's the best overall speaker setup (Atmos, DTSX, 7.1, etc)

But opinions of people that never used Auro is a useless opinion or advice.
First upgrade and use it, then give or make comments, not the other way around.
Going to make comments on VOG, and you, or they have just some ceiling speakers hanging, and no Auro, is like saying, i do not like applepie, but never tried it......
Go and do your "thing" on the Atmos and DTSX thread, please, or be a man and do the upgrade !
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But opinions of people that never used Auro is a useless opinion or advice.
First upgrade and use it, then give or make comments, not the other way around.
Going to make comments on VOG, and you, or they have just some ceiling speakers hanging, and no Auro, is like saying, i do not like applepie, but never tried it......
Go and do your "thing" on the Atmos and DTSX thread, please, or be a man and do the upgrade !
I'm not criticizing you, and I do have Auro on my Altitude as part of the 3D audio codec bundle in a 9.4.4 setup. But, I found I don't like Auromatic except in limited doses, even with the reverb turned way down, and prefer DSU over both Auromatic 3D and Neural:X in the ambience/do no harm to the content sense.

Still, FWIW I know some people that with the shades drawn and closed doors prefer Auromatic for two-channel live music content and movies with heavy dialog or in mono. I'm just not one of them.

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This is simply a difference of opinions. Remeber when Keith Barnes used to post here regularly?

Keith's opinion of Auro could be summed up in this (other) thread post:

Wiring new theater: What's the best overall speaker setup (Atmos, DTSX, 7.1, etc)
Ahh, good ol' Keith.. his opinions was legendary, LOL.




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Auro13.1 has 7.1 in base layer - use that one.
My understanding is that Auro3D has all its channels embedded in a 5.1 mix, including the rears in case of a 13.1 Auro3D track. That means that when mixing in Auro3D you will always loose the 7.1 downmix. I believe that is an aspect of Auro3D what @FilmMixer specifically does not like.

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I'm not criticizing you, and I do have Auro on my Altitude as part of the 3D audio codec bundle in a 9.4.4 setup. But, I found I don't like Auromatic except in limited doses, even with the reverb turned way down, and prefer DSU over both Auromatic 3D and Neural:X in the ambience/do no harm to the content sense.

Still, FWIW I know some people that with the shades drawn and closed doors prefer Auromatic for two-channel live music content and movies with heavy dialog or in mono. I'm just not one of them.

My reply about "Auro trolling" from people here on this thread was not personal to you, sorry if it seemed that way !

And sure its ok to say you do not like Auro, its not perfect, i wish it was !
But giving comment on Auro, or whatever other audio stuff, and do not have it or use it, is wrong.
First buy the upgrade, play with it and give your thoughts.
This is the way we all learn.
And for the non Auro users, please stay out do your thing elsewhere.

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Ahh, good ol' Keith.. his opinions was legendary, LOL.
Kind of miss him........

And do you agree with his anti Auro opinion ?
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And do you agree with his anti Auro opinion ?
I do and I guess I can post it since I paid for the upgrade

Josh is a well respected poster, just because he hasn't heard Auro doesn't mean that he doesn't understand how it works and physics, acoustics, etc. , etc. still matter regardless of the format. If you think about what he said vs. taking it personally since you only use one VOG (which is fine if it works for you) it could make sense to have two up top vs. one - I'm overs implying this example but it parallels the issue that some folks have with a single sub and localization. Add a second and the issue is resolved (okay that's a big oversimplification). Put that sound up high and it becomes even more complex, again back to Josh's point about our inability to hear sounds "correctly" from above. Our ears our on the side, not the top of our head

Just remember you don't have to have own it to understand know how Auro works, there's papers for that (minus VB's claim of a secret sauce) or to know how different speaker locations may serve to enhance (or not) your listening experience based on room, goals and experiences with other immersive formats or in Josh's case the pursuit of 8 speakers up top

This has been a very civil thread even when Keith was around. No reason to make any changes now and the club is small so I think we all know where each of us stand in regards to Auro, good, bad, indifferent

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And do you agree with his anti Auro opinion ?
NO! NO! No-no-no. No way, shape or form
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My reply about "Auro trolling" from people here on this thread was not personal to you, sorry if it seemed that way !

And sure its ok to say you do not like Auro, its not perfect, i wish it was.
FWIW Trinnov is ironically the last defender of Auro as a viable format moving forward (ironic because their lead competitor, Datasat, was strongly on the Auro bandwagon at the beginning):
http://www.auro-3d.com/press/2016/12...g-at-ces-2017/

I think we've discussed this before, but a streaming tech and a dedicated app might work for their select audience (in the SACD niche sense). At least in Europe if not in North America.
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My reply about "Auro trolling" from people here on this thread was not personal to you, sorry if it seemed that way !

And sure its ok to say you do not like Auro, its not perfect, i wish it was !
But giving comment on Auro, or whatever other audio stuff, and do not have it or use it, is wrong.
First buy the upgrade, play with it and give your thoughts.
This is the way we all learn.
And for the non Auro users, please stay out do your thing elsewhere.
Given that there are virtually no Auro users, the alternative would be to have no conversation in this thread at all.

I have said nothing negative about Auro. I wasn't giving an opinion on Auro at all. I was merely pointing out that your continued evangelism for a Voice-of-God as "the most important speaker in the whole immersive world" is directly related to the fact that you've cranked the volume of that channel up way above calibrated settings and way above any other speaker in your system. It's no coincidence or surprise that the loudest speaker would make the most impact on you. That would happen no matter which speaker you chose to make the loudest.

This should not be a controversial statement. Frankly, it should be blatantly obvious to anyone who gives it any thought.

You are of course free to turn up the volume to that speaker as much as you want if it brings you enjoyment. However, anyone else who sees you enthusiastically advocating for a VOG speaker should be aware that you're using it in a non-standard fashion, and they may not get the same results.
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My reply about "Auro trolling" from people here on this thread was not personal to you, sorry if it seemed that way !

And sure its ok to say you do not like Auro, its not perfect, i wish it was !
But giving comment on Auro, or whatever other audio stuff, and do not have it or use it, is wrong.
First buy the upgrade, play with it and give your thoughts.
This is the way we all learn.
And for the non Auro users, please stay out do your thing elsewhere.
The reason the trolling may occur is usually some may be on the fence and are considering Auro 3D. Otherwise if they are 100% not considering there is no real need for them to be on this thread especially if it is all negative.

I too was on the fence but did the upgrade for 199. I really enjoy the additional option of the Auromatic upmixer. There are times I prefer Neural X DSU for the full 7.1.4 or 11ch stereo modes but there are other times when I prefer Auromatic.

On my Denon AVR-X6300H I can hear a low noise hair dryer type hum from my PC via HDMI when music is paused or between tracks more on Neural X than Auromatic. Yes I sent an email to Denon...

I agree with CBdicX to have a VOG for Auro 3D or it is not really worth it currently. IMO

When the 13ch AVR's come out (and they will) we will gain more of what Auro 3D is capable of with the 2 SRB's & 1 HC. Auro 3D is much more than what current AVR's can handle as you can see in the below pic for homeowners doing their own HTPC or HT. So Denon & Marantz etc. need to step it up, not Auro 3D.

Quite a few Auro 3D movies are out now with more to come so it is a real format to be contended with already: http://www.auro-3d.com/consumer/technology/

Cool Auro 3D vids: http://www.auro-3d.com/videos/

Lastly I really appreciate CBdicX & Nalleh and their wealth of helpful knowledge given for FREE to all who ask. They both have helped me as well. We here at AVS would do well to show them some appreciation! IMHO
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The reason the trolling may occur is usually some may be on the fence and are considering Auro 3D. Otherwise if they are 100% not considering there is no real need for them to be on this thread especially if it is all negative.

I too was on the fence but did the upgrade for 199. I really enjoy the additional option of the Auromatic upmixer. There are times I prefer Neural X DSU for the full 7.1.4 or 11ch stereo modes but there are other times when I prefer Auromatic.

On my Denon AVR-X6300H I can hear a low noise hair dryer type hum from my PC via HDMI when music is paused or between tracks more on Neural X than Auromatic. Yes I sent an email to Denon...

I agree with CBdicX to have a VOG for Auro 3D or it is not really worth it currently. IMO

When the 13ch AVR's come out (and they will) we will gain more of what Auro 3D is capable of with the 2 SRB's & 1 HC. Auro 3D is much more than what current AVR's can handle as you can see in the below pic for homeowners doing their own HTPC or HT. So Denon & Marantz etc. need to step it up, not Auro 3D.

Quite a few Auro 3D movies are out now with more to come so it is a real format to be contended with already: http://www.auro-3d.com/consumer/technology/

Cool Auro 3D vids: http://www.auro-3d.com/videos/

Lastly I really appreciate CBdicX & Nalleh and their wealth of helpful knowledge given for FREE to all who ask. They both have helped me as well. We here at AVS would do well to show them some appreciation! IMHO

Thanks man, appreciated !!
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If Auro didn't compromise the 5.1 by stealing bits that might be an option....

No 7.1? No thanks... I would fight that fight all day lone...



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I suspect we will get an Auro 3D upgrade down the line for 7.1 configurations, likely for an additional fee, where the rear heights are placed above the rear surrounds.
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I suspect we will get an Auro 3D upgrade down the line for 7.1 configurations, likely for an additional fee, where the rear heights are placed above the rear surrounds.

When there will be an Auro upgrade, it will be to 13.1, with Surround Back also.
But then D&M need to get us a 13 channel receiver, with 13 channel processing.
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Or a 11channels receiver with 13 channels processing.
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When there will be an Auro upgrade, it will be to 13.1, with Surround Back also.
But then D&M need to get us a 13 channel receiver, with 13 channel processing.
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Or a 11channels receiver with 13 channels processing.
Nothing wrong with having dreams.
Mine is to get AuroMax into my room!
I don't get my hopes up too high though...
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