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The Official Dolby Surround Upmixing Thread

I thought it would be a good idea if we had a dedicated thread for in-depth discussion of the experience obtained relistening to our legacy discs in the new "Dolby Surround" format. What title, what equipment, what specific sounds are redirected or shared, etc.

Update: with DTS:X on the way, we can expand this conversation to include comments on DTS:X upmixing vs DSU.

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I thought it would be a good idea if we had a dedicated thread for in-depth discussion of the experience obtained relistening to our legacy discs in the new "Dolby Surround" format. What title, what equipment, what specific sounds are redirected or shared, etc.

I'm especially interested in legacy titles and the Atmos effect, a new experience for all of us.
I'm using a 5.1.2 setup with on ceiling mounted sphere satellites from OSD Audio. My side surrounds are dipoles from Jamo called surround 200. Receiver is Onkyo 636.

So far I have watched the first 20 minutes of T4 in native atmos and used DS:U for Pompeii and A Turtles Tale. I noticed a very enveloping surround stage with aTT, when it comes to Pompeii I didn't notice any big improvements. Very excited to try out more movies.
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I have a 5.1.2 setup using Dolby Atmos enabled speakers, Definitive Technology A60 modules that sit atop my Def Tech BP-8060ST's. My surrounds are bipoles, def Tech SR-8040BP which are abut 1.5ft above ear level. Receiver is an Onkyo TX-NR838. I really liked what I heard from watching scenes from Star Trek Into Darkness using DSU, especially the scene where the USS Vengeance catches up with the Enterprise in mid-warp.

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When the USS Vengeance catches up in mid-warp, what is different using DSU that you don't hear playing it without the DSU?
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When the USS Vengeance catches up in mid-warp, what is different using DSU that you don't hear playing it without the DSU?
^^^ Extra ambience that adds to the already excellent surround track.

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Hi to All,

I'm listening to a lot of 2 CH Stereo music on my Denon AVR which has ProLogic II Music mode with additional tweakabilty (is there such a word? LOL) of Center Width, Panorama and Dimension.

Those of you who already have DSU, how does it compare to "good old" PLII Music as regards upmixing of 2 CH music to 5.1?

Thanks for your feedback.
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Another question, when playing 2 channel recordings, do instrumentals sound better than tracks with vocals in Dolby Surround Upmix? If so, in what way?
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Edge of Tomorrow streets tomorrow, a good title for anyone with Atmos to audition the Dolby Surround Upmixing.
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Should be getting my new receiver today. Been thinking about movies to re-watch in DS and a few came to mind.

Sanctum - cave ambiance galore. Been meaning to get this in 3D, so watching it again in 3D and in DS should be a fresh experience.
Conjuring - this movie me impressed me with it's sound design, and I think a upmix would enhance this already scary movie. I think most scary movies would be kicked up a notch upmixed since they rely heavily on the soundtrack to create tension.
Need for Speed - for all the full throttle flybys, and a decent amount of overhead action with planes and helicopters.

 


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I use Logic 7 for all video sources, either Logic 7 TV, Film, DTS, DD, Music.

Pretty simple so I don't need to select Neo, Pro-Logic II, IIx, Neo 2x or whatever.

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myself strill waiting on the side lines but . . .
anybody tried gaming , Xbox1, with DS?

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myself strill waiting on the side lines but . . .
anybody tried gaming , Xbox1, with DS?
I'll give my PS4 a go when I'm up and running and report back. Games are crazy immerse as it is, so I can only imagine what a DSU will do.

 


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This is a good thread. Having friends come over this weekend to demo my system. Any recommended scenes would be appreciated.

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To those who have upgraded to Atmos, when sharing your opinions, can you also maybe also point out how much more you prefer Atmos over whatever it was you used to use when you share?

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so far EVERY movie I have put it...I have had a huge preference over the regular DTS-HD or TrueHD mix...the DSU is that good

last night watched Gravity...not sure how it can get much better with a true atmos mix...sounds coming from everywhere...was amazing!

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Oblivion: cave scenes.
Prometheus: also cave scenes.
Hansel and Grethel. From the start, birds overhead.
Pearl Harbor : attack on Pearl Harbor, flight scenes.
Star trek into darkness: opening scene: animal sounds from everywhere.
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Watched Transformers 2 and thought it sounded better than the Atmos track in TF4. Especially the final desert scene, lots of fighter jets, helicopters, etc.


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I am curious how DSU sounds watching sports on tv…..has anyone tried that? and would mind commenting??
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I'm listening to a lot of 2 CH Stereo music on my Denon AVR which has ProLogic II Music mode with additional tweakabilty (is there such a word? LOL) of Center Width, Panorama and Dimension.

Those of you who already have DSU, how does it compare to "good old" PLII Music as regards upmixing of 2 CH music to 5.1?
Being that I was midwife to PLII, I am quite biased about it. I have not tried DSU into a 5.1 setup, but into 7.1.4. Bottom line, I'll not be using DSU for 2-ch music. DSU really needs a Music mode, perhaps with tweakability . Additional comments posted here.

I hope I do not dissuade you from giving it a fair shot with your own music. Surround upmixing for stereo music is a very subjective matter. Please post opinions.

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Speaking of music...
Well, the problem with 2-CH Stereo and upmixing with DSU are the completely different results, dependend from genre, original mix and other things. For example Electronic and similar music mostly gains from DSU with simply more atmosphere - the immersive bubble effect makes sense here, if someone like it that way... me including.

But, a well defined recording of jazz or rock with a distinguished stage is going to confuse you in DSU mode, e.g. with a sudden appearance of the lead singer or the bass guitar right besides you at the couch or even more irritating from upwards behind.
That's not, what I want here and I agree with Roger in order to demand more control about the upmixing.

On the other hand, Multi-CH concert recordings mostly profit from DSU, especially those with live atmosphere. In the meantime I tried a lot of music / concert Blu-rays and in 90%, DSU is great.

So, my default setting is "Stereo" for 2 CH Stereo and "Dolby Surround" for all other inputs. If I'm just in the mood to listen to e.g. Jean Michel Jarre in 2-CH, then I try to switch and after a very short moment, I know, what I have to do...

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Using an onkyo txnr 636 with Atmos enabled modules and kef kht6001 speakers with kef htb2se x2 subs in a 5.2.2 setup.

I have found the Dsu worked great with Aeon Flux and Beyond reasonable doubt movies with much more sound happening above than normal.
As for games i use both ps4 and xbox 1 and find the sound to be amazing a lot more immersive i feel, i was playing cod ghosts yesterday and switching between dsu and dd and there was way more atmosphere in the dsu with more going on.

As for tv i use dsu with sky but have mixed results as some of the channels have problems with dialouge volume but i put that down to the bitrate and certain channels rather than the dsu.

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This is a great thread and I assume that the Dolby people are reading it. I would agree with Roger that on music DSU need some tweaking. I wouldn't be surprised if in the not too distant future they adjust the algorithm.
The great thing about these receivers and processors is that they are all designed for software updates.

I have tried Gravity and in particular Chapter 5 sounds "just right" It begins with Bullock's lonely monologue and ends with fire and internal explosions. What a great scene!
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How about online streaming? Has anyone had positive results with this and if so which streaming service was used?
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Netflix seems to work great with the 4k movies sounding the best. Some movies play back in Dolby Digital + that sound great to, im not sure if results differ if you have a lower speed connection as mine is quite high, high enough to stream 4k wirelessly without an issue.
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so far EVERY movie I have put it...I have had a huge preference over the regular DTS-HD or TrueHD mix...the DSU is that good

last night watched Gravity...not sure how it can get much better with a true atmos mix...sounds coming from everywhere...was amazing!
I currently run a base 7.1 setup using an Onkyo 636 with the Atmos firmware update and so far have enjoyed the new DSU. My question is, would DSU still be the better choice for watching movies in a 7.1 system than selecting the standard Dolby TrueHD or DTS Master Audio tracks, whether it be a 5.1 or 7.1 mix? Also, would going from a 7.1 to a 5.1.2 actually be an upgrade? I much prefer 7.1 over 5.1 and part of me feels that by dropping back down to 5.1, with the addition of two ceiling speakers, it won't sound as full as it does now. I believe Dolby recommends a base 7.1.4 setup for an optimal home Atmos experience but since I just bought this receiver no plans on upgrading any time soon.
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I currently run a base 7.1 setup using an Onkyo 636 with the Atmos firmware update and so far have enjoyed the new DSU. My question is, would DSU still be the better choice for watching movies in a 7.1 system than selecting the standard Dolby TrueHD or DTS Master Audio tracks, whether it be a 5.1 or 7.1 mix?
Dolby Surround upmixing does something only if you have more speakers than there are audio channels in the source material. If you play a 7.1 soundtrack on a 7.1 speaker system, it will do nothing whatsoever. It also generates no output to speaker channels which are configured as Front Wides. If you play a 5.1 soundtrack on a 7.1 speaker system which includes Rear Surround speakers, then it will send "appropriate" sounds to the Rear Surrounds. It also will expand stereo (2 channel) soundtracks to use all but Front Wides.

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Also, would going from a 7.1 to a 5.1.2 actually be an upgrade? I much prefer 7.1 over 5.1 and part of me feels that by dropping back down to 5.1, with the addition of two ceiling speakers, it won't sound as full as it does now. I believe Dolby recommends a base 7.1.4 setup for an optimal home Atmos experience but since I just bought this receiver no plans on upgrading any time soon.
It depends. You actually have to listen to such a configuration to find out if having overhead speakers is an acceptable change for your listening habits.

One thing to consider is that Dolby and others traditionally have recommended locating the Side and Rear surround speakers relatively high in order to provide both overhead ambiance and sounds from the rear speakers. The new speaker arrangement explicitly separates overhead sounds from rear sounds.

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I currently run a base 7.1 setup using an Onkyo 636 with the Atmos firmware update and so far have enjoyed the new DSU. My question is, would DSU still be the better choice for watching movies in a 7.1 system than selecting the standard Dolby TrueHD or DTS Master Audio tracks, whether it be a 5.1 or 7.1 mix? Also, would going from a 7.1 to a 5.1.2 actually be an upgrade? I much prefer 7.1 over 5.1 and part of me feels that by dropping back down to 5.1, with the addition of two ceiling speakers, it won't sound as full as it does now. I believe Dolby recommends a base 7.1.4 setup for an optimal home Atmos experience but since I just bought this receiver no plans on upgrading any time soon.
Regarding your concern on "downgrading to 5.1 from a 7.1 base" I'd have to agree with Selden Ball in just checking it out for yourself as your going to be the best judge.

If I may though, you might lose the two rear channels but are still effectively running 8 channels just like your 7.1 setup, and at least to me, the height effects FAR outweigh any rear effects and give me more sense of presence I ever had with the latter option.

Aside from the obvious benefit of object based mixing, without those height speakers there, the sense of panning around the room isn't quite as good in comparison to 7.1. Also, if you're wondering whether 2 height channels will be enough, then let me assure you that most if not everyone I've spoken to about it think that it's quite adequate and enjoy it very much.

Obviously if you want to go higher there are benefits to more fluidity but these things can be subjective as always, and when you consider that it's literally thousands of dollars just for a couple of extra speakers then it kind of puts it all into perspective for you on if it matters enough lol.

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i have the 838. I've been revisiting some older movies, and i think the new DSU does make a difference. Winter Soldier had a lot more ambient sound, as did Godzilla. i have the basic 7.1 plus the two front up firing modules. i do wish there was more material out there that was atmos native...
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