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New Outlaw Audio 5 Channel Amplifier

Looks like Outlaw Audio has a new amp (http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/5000.html). Cost is less than $600. Made outside the US which is a first for the Outlaw's for a multichannel amplifier.
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Looks like Outlaw Audio has a new amp (http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/5000.html). Cost is less than $600. Made outside the US which I believe is a first for tbe Outlaw's.

You beat me to it
$600 for a five channel and all channel driven together is a big plus for fund conscious people that are looking to get into this hobby with medium budget


For a $1050 they are getting a taste of separate.
https://outlawaudio.com/products/975.html
https://outlawaudio.com/products/5000.html


Match these with descent speakers and a quality sub, and someone have a system for around $3-3500 that they will be happy for a long time


As for " Made outside the US which I believe is a first for tbe Outlaw's"
I cannot comment since I do not know for sure, I got the 7700 and previously the 750.


I can comment on, my aperion cabinet are made in China, so is my hand carve solid wood table in the living room. Both are outstanding for the workmanship. It is all, in the hand of Outlaw Audio to make sure that the QC is there, like aperion did for my speakers. If they make sure that the QC do their job, I would say this is going to be another great product for a low price.


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5 × 120 W into 8 ohms all channels driven is a pretty nice bang for the buck. Looking at the photos it seems like standard class AB vice the increasingly more common class D amp.

Should partner well with the high efficiency waveguide based designs over on the DIY side of AVS.
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That's an interesting development. I don't think anyone has a 5 channel 120 wpc amp, a great price too.
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Not to mention at this price you got something that is all channels driven and not some 125w x7 from a receiver that is actually 125 on stereo at 1khz signal.
(I know this is a five channel amp, just trying to make a point about how receiver make there own statistic)


My amps are from Outlaw, speakers from aperion, subs from SVS and screen from Carada.
ID companies have made great products and advance our hobby to a new step with been more affordable products.


I started with the Outlaw 750 with a Yamaha AVR.
Then the outlaw 950.


I think this is a great and honest product for the people with a medium budget.
Why pay $900-1200 for an AVR, when you can get a true power amp and a small Audio/Video processor.


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Looks like they just shot Emotiva right between the eyes.

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Made outside the US which I believe is a first for tbe Outlaw's.
The 2200 MB is made in Taiwan.
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^ and they have a new Atmos ready pre under development. If they add DTS-X to it then we might be saying "Emo who?"
The competition between the two should be good for all of us as long as they both survive it.

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The 2200 MB is made in Taiwan.
I corrected the first post to reflect its their first multichannel amplifier made outside the US. I wonder if it is also made in Taiwan.

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^ and they have a new Atmos ready pre under development. If they add DTS-X to it then we might be saying "Emo who?"
The competition between the two should be good for all of us as long as they both survive it.

Outlaw announced this week the new pre/pro WILL have DTS-X.
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Looks like I've found my Atmos amp
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Looks like they just shot Emotiva right between the eyes.
They're talking about this amp on the Emo forum, and comparing it to the old Emotiva UPA-5, released in 2009 and then canned I think less than 2 years later. Now that I think of it, many of their amps don't seem to make it past the 3 year mark, but I digress. Anyway, I remember noticing that the UPA amps couldn't really hit their rated power of 125 wpc, 20-20kHz, .05THD, etc, with all channels driven. If this Outlaw amp can actually do this, and their specs say it can, then they've really got something here.
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I have the bench test in PDF. format from Emotiva on their UPA-7. It tested at or above 125wpc all channels driven but they tested with a 1khz test tone into an 8ohm load and not a full spectrum sweep. I've often wondered what it would be capable of @20-20khz test. I owned a UPA-7 for about three years and never felt it lacked for power.

This new amp from Outlaw hits the sweet spot for many HT users IMO.

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^^^
Outlaw universally under-rates their amps. Whether that increased power reserve makes any difference in real-world use is an open question. But one has to wonder if it doesn't suggest a better built amp. The UPA-5 has 0.1% THD at rated output, the 5000 is 0.02% at rated output. One wonders what the output of the 5000 will be if driven to 0.1% THD. Even with a 4u load at 180WPC its still only producing 0.03% THD.
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Not sure if I missed this spec or if it hasn't been mentioned in this thread - are these amps Class A/B, or Class D, or...?

These amps are priced right, that's for sure. Now if their 975 pre/pro is as good as it looks (and as good as folks are sayin') - just over a grand for true separates? Wow! Very tempting. Especially when a good AVR is about twice that...
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By the size of the power supply, I'm sure it's class A/B. It's quite the option in the 125 wpc class. Like I said earlier, Emotiva really doesn't have something comparable, and their 200 watt amps are certainly overkill for some rooms.
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It does seem to have a pretty nice sized torroidal transformer.

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Has anybody tried this amp yet? I am considering the 975/5000 combo for $999. Otherwise, I will probably going with a Yamaha 3040 or Pioneer Elite SC-87.

Any input would be greatly appreciated!

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I wonder if this would be better than my Rotel RMB-1075 or RMB-1085 amp
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Why not just buy a decent AVR?

Surely there are $8-$1000 options that will deliver 80+ (cringe) "honest" watts per channel, simultaneously? Not that you ever really need all channels anywhere near that 99.98% of the time in most rooms.

Even so, yu're then talking about 1-2dbs of additional output with something like this which is of course virtually meaningless.

Unless this is about "having an amp". Which I know is really cool to a lot of people.

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Well I have "had an amp" (quite a few actually) and they certainly didn't make me any cooler. I am mainly just looking for good bang for my $1,500, or less, buck.

This combo just seemed like a good option.

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Why not just buy a decent AVR?

Surely there are $8-$1000 options that will deliver 80+ (cringe) "honest" watts per channel, simultaneously? Not that you ever really need all channels anywhere near that 99.98% of the time in most rooms.

Even so, yu're then talking about 1-2dbs of additional output with something like this which is of course virtually meaningless.

Unless this is about "having an amp". Which I know is really cool to a lot of people.

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Perhaps you could suggest some of these models that can do a real 80 wpc, all channels driven?
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Why not just buy a decent AVR?

Surely there are $8-$1000 options that will deliver 80+ (cringe) "honest" watts per channel, simultaneously? Not that you ever really need all channels anywhere near that 99.98% of the time in most rooms.

Even so, yu're then talking about 1-2dbs of additional output with something like this which is of course virtually meaningless.

Unless this is about "having an amp". Which I know is really cool to a lot of people.

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Perhaps you could suggest some of these models that can do a real 80 wpc, all channels driven?
Certainly. See here: http://www.soundandvision.com/catego...ceiver-reviews

There's about a half dozen there doing 75-105 with 5 channels driven for $6-$999.

If 7 are really absolutely mandatory, get the Onkyo or Pioneer making 90+ and 100+, respectively.

But again, it's all a numbers game anyway when you realize how meaningless 20, or even 50 watts a channel is relative to output.

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Well I have "had an amp" (quite a few actually) and they certainly didn't make me any cooler. I am mainly just looking for good bang for my $1,500, or less, buck.

This combo just seemed like a good option.
The $1500 AVR options out there are immensely worthy of bang for buck high praise. Ditto for the $1000 units.

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^ and they have a new Atmos ready pre under development. If they add DTS-X to it then we might be saying "Emo who?"
The competition between the two should be good for all of us as long as they both survive it.
Emotiva released their 'modular' high end pre without any ability to support Atmos or any surround mode in the future. It sounds like Outlaw won't be making that mistake.
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No 220/230V power supply...sigh from the other part of the world.
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The $1500 AVR options out there are immensely worthy of bang for buck high praise. Ditto for the $1000 units.

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So you spend $1000 to 1500 and in 2-3 years your AVR is outdated and can't handle the newest tech. That's another reason why an amp is a good option, just replace the processor unit on the cheap if you want to.
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So you spend $1000 to 1500 and in 2-3 years your AVR is outdated and can't handle the newest tech. That's another reason why an amp is a good option, just replace the processor unit on the cheap if you want to.
Yup. Although AV pres are expensive, why would I buy an expensive AVR with decent amp stages at £2000, only to have to re-buy the same £2000 AV quality, when I could just spend £2000 on a power amplifer every 15-20 years?

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Marantz 7702 isn't that expensive, seen 7701 going for a grand

http://www.marantz.co.uk/uk/products...oductid=av7702

I'd stick to av pre + power amplifiers, although I do agree AV pre are expensive. I wouldn't spend more than £1500 on one. Ideally a £1000

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Marantz 7702 isn't that expensive, seen 7701 going for a grand

http://www.marantz.co.uk/uk/products...oductid=av7702

I'd stick to av pre + power amplifiers, although I do agree AV pre are expensive. I wouldn't spend more than £1500 on one. Ideally a £1000
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