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New Pioneer VSX-1130

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...ers/VSX-1130-K

Page 29 of Manual confirms 18GB on the HDMI




This looks good

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Coming from an SC1222 this looks like the time to upgrade for me

New gui
Wireless both 2.4 and 5.8
OSD
Atmos
Sub EQ
True dual sub out
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I will miss my class D amps though. And power will be dropping to 95 from 130. And losing the front panel hide plate and controls. Meh, the convenience features seem worth it.
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Still feels like time to wait if you can....

Going to be lots of choices soon.
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http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...ers/VSX-1130-K

Page 29 of Manual confirms 18GB on the HDMI




This looks good
Most likely all of the new 2015 models released from every major mfr should be both HDMI 2.0 (full 18GHz) and HDCP 2.2.
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Question

This looks like a very tempting receiver, wondering what is the difference between this and the SC-1228-K?


http://www.pioneerelectronics.ca/POC...Shop/SC-1228-K




The list price on the 1228 is much more, and have the D3 amps, but that is all I notice. The 1228 is now a 2 year old model (but can be bought today new in stock)


The 1228 can be bought for $500 on sale, and I assume the new 1130 around the same price.


Which would be the better choice?


Thanks for the input!
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The sc-1228 has the class d amps which are awesome. But the Vsx1130 adds Atmos, built in Bluetooth and WiFi, mcacc pro vs advanced, osd overlay, Spotify, new audio formats including dsd up to 5.8. There may be more also.

But again, the class d amps are awesome. I have the 1222 and am extremely happy with it. But the added features of this unit are enticing. I may wait to see if the sc models are affordable this year with Atmos and all the other bells and whistles.
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The sc-1228 has the class d amps which are awesome. But the Vsx1130 adds Atmos, built in Bluetooth and WiFi, mcacc pro vs advanced, osd overlay, Spotify, new audio formats including dsd up to 5.8. There may be more also.

But again, the class d amps are awesome. I have the 1222 and am extremely happy with it. But the added features of this unit are enticing. I may wait to see if the sc models are affordable this year with Atmos and all the other bells and whistles.
Thanks Scoobdude!


In my application, music will be cranked a few times a year, and movies every weekend. I assume the class D will be noticeable on the music, but not the movies?


Speakers I'm using for mains, are Cerwin Vega AT-15's, which are just awesome speakers, but they are 4 ohm. The Pioneer does not say yay or nay to the 4 ohms for the VSX1130.
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You may want to wait for the sc. They are 4 ohm stable. The class d puts out less heat, noticeable better mid, and a smaller drop in volume when additional channels are applied.
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You may want to wait for the sc. They are 4 ohm stable. The class d puts out less heat, noticeable better mid, and a smaller drop in volume when additional channels are applied.

Thanks again, I returned the 1228, will wait for the SC with class D & ATMOS
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Being that this is similar to the Elite VSX-90, you should check out my posts in that thread. The same just might apply.
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Most likely all of the new 2015 models released from every major mfr should be both HDMI 2.0 (full 18GHz) and HDCP 2.2.
Any idea when the new models will be announced?

Seems like announcements are running late this year.
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You may want to wait for the sc. They are 4 ohm stable. The class d puts out less heat, noticeable better mid, and a smaller drop in volume when additional channels are applied.

All depends on what volume you are listening at, room size, and crossover. I just picked up a vsx-90 yesterday (identical to the vsx-1130), I have a smaller room, but I am running pioneer atmos elite bookshelf speakers (4 ohm) in the front along with the matching elite center (also 4 ohm). I have b and w m1's (8 ohms) in the rear to complete a 5.2.1 setup. I keep all speakers at an 80hz crossover with my pb-2000 sub. I was watching a bunch of blu-rays around -15db yesterday for about an hour or so. I did run MCACC Pro beforehand, and I didn't notice any distortion, even though the volume was quite loud. I also put my hand on the top of the receiver afterwards, and it was barely warm. It is rated at 100 watts per channel at a 20-20 rating of .08THD. I haven't listened louder than that as I never go below -10db, but it seemed to handle everything fine. I doubt Pioneer would release an elite atmos receiver that couldn't adequately drive their own elite atmos speakers, just wouldn't make sense. If you are cranking out reference level volume for long periods of time in a large room and at a lower crossover, you may have less success. I hope that info helps.
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All depends on what volume you are listening at, room size, and crossover. I just picked up a vsx-90 yesterday (identical to the vsx-1130), I have a smaller room, but I am running pioneer atmos elite bookshelf speakers (4 ohm) in the front along with the matching elite center (also 4 ohm). I have b and w m1's (8 ohms) in the rear to complete a 5.2.1 setup. I keep all speakers at an 80hz crossover with my pb-2000 sub. I was watching a bunch of blu-rays around -15db yesterday for about an hour or so. I did run MCACC Pro beforehand, and I didn't notice any distortion, even though the volume was quite loud. I also put my hand on the top of the receiver afterwards, and it was barely warm. It is rated at 100 watts per channel at a 20-20 rating of .08THD. I haven't listened louder than that as I never go below -10db, but it seemed to handle everything fine. I doubt Pioneer would release an elite atmos receiver that couldn't adequately drive their own elite atmos speakers, just wouldn't make sense. If you are cranking out reference level volume for long periods of time in a large room and at a lower crossover, you may have less success. I hope that info helps.
I have an old Onkyo receiver without any HDMI inputs. VSX-90 is one of the receivers that I am considering. I have heard that ( may not be true) the Pioneer receivers are not user friendly to setup and the GUI is rather dated. How does VSX-90 do in this regard? The product page for VSX-90 says that the setup has been simplified. How easy is it to setup the MCACC calibration?
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Also what kind of parameters can you adjust for the 2 subs? I know the are supposed to be 4 bands, can they be tuned individually on each sub?

One other advantages remember from the elites is the use of a USB keyboard. Probably no need for that now. In the product page I noticed the elite can control a roku. I did not notice that info on the 1130 though, wonder if it's built into the mhl port (hdmi cec that is)

Lastly, 1130 shows 100 watts into 7 channels, while the elite shows only into 2. Both use full range if I saw right.
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I need a new receiver asap, I am seeing pioneer hit the market sooner than others. I am seriously considering the VSX-90 and VSX-1130-K. So why is the VSX-90 $100 more?

Does it do HDMI out to zone 2 (different source than main)?

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Mostly for the colors and better integration to home control systems. Sometimes there are other little features like USB keyboard sorry on the elite etc and 12 v triggers and/or rs232 ports etc.
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Mostly for the colors and better integration to home control systems. Sometimes there are other little features like USB keyboard sorry on the elite etc and 12 v triggers and/or rs232 ports etc.
exact same weight and deminsions between the two... this is a hard $100 upgrade. I might do it for the 2 year warranty for the elite vs the 1 year for the 1130.

Man, my yahama 667 is still under warranty and I got that in 2010.
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well just purchased the elite vsx-90 from best buy.. anyone know if they will take it back after the standard 15 days if necessary... 15 days is very short to evaluate a receiver.
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Went ahead and purchased this VSX-1130 k as my old Denon 3312Ci didn't have 4K/HDMI 2.0/HDCP2.2... am hoping it sounds as good.
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Any idea when the new models will be announced?

Seems like announcements are running late this year.
So far no word from our Pioneer distributor, but likely in May.

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I need a new receiver asap, I am seeing pioneer hit the market sooner than others. I am seriously considering the VSX-90 and VSX-1130-K. So why is the VSX-90 $100 more?

Does it do HDMI out to zone 2 (different source than main)?
Yes, the 2nd HDMI monitor output can be set to MAIN (mirror, eg. PJ in same room) or HDZone (mirror/separate HDMI source; eg. TV in another room) however, does not have separate Zone 2 speaker posts or pre-outs.



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well just purchased the elite vsx-90 from best buy.. anyone know if they will take it back after the standard 15 days if necessary... 15 days is very short to evaluate a receiver.
Generally not unless you are a My Best Buy Elite (30 days) or Elite Plus (45 days) member.
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Anyone know if this supports HDMI 2.0a with full HDR support? I assume it does but recently read some story about how there's no guarantee all HDMI 2.0 receivers also do HDMI 2.0a.
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I am wondering if it will get DTS-X via a FW upgrade?

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VSX-1130 Issues

Figured I would post this here as well. Just in case some one knows the fix before Pioneer gets back to me:

Just got the Pioneer VSX-1130 to replace an existing Pioneer VSX-94TXH and attempted to set it up last night.

I was disappointed from the application based set-up. It required that I connect the receiver to the internet before it could control it. Since I don't have a hardline connection, that required putting in my password using the on-screen guide and it was terrible using only the receiver's remote. The password screen showed a keyboard but it made me go up and down one letter at a time cycling first through the alphabet in all caps to get to my password which is all lower case for simplicity. I really hope I just missed a step because it was dreadful. You can see how behind they are on their menus still.

Once I got it up and running, though, more bad news. I connected an Xbox One and WD TV Live and I was getting improper black levels. Both devices were working with the old receiver with the Xbox set to Standard RGB TV (Recommended) black levels and the WD with the 1080p/60hz RGB Low options. With the 1130 and those settings the picture was very washed out. I changed the Xbox to RGB PC Levels and the gray turned back to black but some of the picture was noticeably crushed. I even did the Xbox's built in test patterns to confirm that the "shut eye" and the "white sun" were not coming through the signal.

I started to blame my equipment at first since I have an older Samsung D8000 Plasma. I tried changing the black level from Low (16-235) to Normal (0-255) but that made it gray again. I thought it might be my cables since the new receiver is 4K and it might not "like" the older HDMI's I had been using with the older Pioneer so I went out and got some basic 4K compatible 18+gbps cables from best buy. Running them temporarily outside the wall (wires everywhere!) made no change. Since the cables were there I ran the Xbox directly to the TV and sure enough, with the Standard setting it looked awesome again.

Last night there was not an update available and to my surprise there was one today. I really hoped it would fix the issue, and it did take quite a while, but it made no changes that I noticed.

I tried calling Pioneer support at around 11:30 a.m. but the line just kept ringing. I selected the "call me back" option but no one got back to me. I also e-mailed them and have not received a response yet. I would like to think that it is maybe an internal issue and hopefully I just got a dud. Because of how long I have been waiting to change out receivers and how happy I have been with my 94TXH, I will give them a chance to fix the issue or recommended exchanging it. If not though, I will have to return it and wait for the Sony 1060 that should be hitting stores soon.
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Everything has to be one or the other. Full or limited. Then everything must be calibrated for those levels. And you can let some of the whiter than white through. If blacks are not set you will get either the grey or the crushed blacks. But I believe this receiver had video adjustments as well.


First thing you need to do is set everything the same way. I use full on all my devices. Some must be forced. Then go to the app and look at the video adjustments and turn them off. then check your signal via the app. Then recalibrate with your most used or most important device.

I have attached images of the screens in the app to look for to help you. These are from demo mode but should help.

For the wireless at up issue, did you try the set up app or is that what required you to connect to the Internet first?
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Everything has to be one or the other. Full or limited. Then everything must be calibrated for those levels. And you can let some of the whiter than white through. If blacks are not set you will get either the grey or the crushed blacks. But I believe this receiver had video adjustments as well.


First thing you need to do is set everything the same way. I use full on all my devices. Some must be forced. Then go to the app and look at the video adjustments and turn them off. then check your signal via the app. Then recalibrate with your most used or most important device.

I have attached images of the screens in the app to look for to help you. These are from demo mode but should help.

For the wireless at up issue, did you try the set up app or is that what required you to connect to the Internet first?
As far as I know everything (except maybe the receiver) is on the Limited (16-235) settings. My TV is on Low and my Xbox is on Standard. This is confirmed when connecting the Xbox directly to the TV and this is how it was before the new receiver.

I downloaded the iControl AV5 app but it confirmed what I would think is logical in that there are no settings that I can find there that are not adjustable through the receiver or with the Pioneer remote. It does have a VIDEO MODE tab and the only 2 options are "Scaling" Auto/Pure and "Super Resolution" if "Scaling" is set to Auto. Switching these makes no difference to the black levels.

I finally found that other screen that shows all the details.

Under monitor it shows:
Monitor 1
1080/60p
36bit (12bit*3)
xvYCC601 xvYCC709

Under Receiver it shows:
Video:
Input
HDMI
1080/60p
16:9
RGB Limit/24bit
xvvYCC601

Output
HDMI out 1
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--- / ---
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All blank... Not like your demo picture which had clear output parameters. Edit* after switching between Color Space: Standard to PC RGB on the Xbox I noticed that the app would blink some parameters on the output side for a split second and then go back to blank. This makes me think that the receiver is not communicating properly to the TV somehow. Again I did try different HDMI cables going from the receiver to the TV to eliminate that issue as well as try a different port.

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Anyone know if this supports HDMI 2.0a with full HDR support? I assume it does but recently read some story about how there's no guarantee all HDMI 2.0 receivers also do HDMI 2.0a.
It's so aggravating that we can't get any info on whether or not revision 2.0a is a simple update or hardware upgrade. Personally, I believe it's just a FW/SW kind of deal, as the real kicker for needing HDR metadata compatibility is 18Gbps pipelines. We have no reason to suspect that any AVR/SSP equipment released this year won't comply with those standards, so I'd say we are in the clear.

I do wonder though,... Has anyone stated if playing a future UHDBD with DCI-P3/HDR/10Bit (obviously)/3D surround; such as Atmos and DTS:X, will the 18Gbps be enough for all of that, I sure hope so... If all of that works out, I don't see myself needing to upgrade for 6-7 years when BT.2020/12Bit equipment is readily available at friendly consumer UPPs.
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I agree. It's hard to imagine a receiver with 4:4:4 support and 18gbps pipelines not being able to handle HDR. The question is whether it's a hardware requirement, which they are all of course dodging. Hopefully we get an answer soon so I can pull the trigger on the 1130.
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I have a new Onkyo TX-NR737 Im thinking about returning and picking up the Pioneer VSX90 this week. I replaced my Pioneer VSX-1124k with the Onkyo. This is for a small man cave bedroom theater! Any opinions if I should keep the Onkyo or get VSX-90 or 1130k & is the THX certification worth giving up and about 10W of power?

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exact same weight and deminsions between the two... this is a hard $100 upgrade. I might do it for the 2 year warranty for the elite vs the 1 year for the 1130.

Man, my yahama 667 is still under warranty and I got that in 2010.
Regarding mgf warranty and my recent experience with a currently defective AVR that's covered under a 3 yr mfg warranty awaiting repair:

Be careful when counting on the mgf's warranty - I went with a Denon 3313CI partly b/c of the 3 yr warranty - well recently even though we rarely use it ever at a more than normal TV listening volume and it is well ventilated it is stuck in protection mode, there are no local repair facilities - I must choose an authorized repair facility and at a cost of well over $50 ship it off for repair and hope it turns out that the repair is found to be covered under the warranty or else besides not being repaired i will have to pay return shipping as well and be out of $100 and still w/o a working AVR.

UPDATE: Denon has set it up so that I may send my 3313CI to their OEM repair facility - I'm more comfortable with this than sending to an unknown location out of state that cannot offer an estimated time for repairs to take place.

Hopefully all works out well - but after having an issue and finding out that there is no local repair facility, I'd make sure that there's a good track record and easy method for you to make use of the Pioneer mfg warranty especially if going with an Elite for the extra 1 yr of warranty period. Hopefully Pioneer is great with servicing units under warranty (with local options to save on the approx $75 shipping / insurance costs / time to ship).

Again the return shipping would only be if the repair turned out not to be covered under warranty.

Good luck.

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