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2015 Pioneer Elite AVR's include VSX-45 and VSX-90

The 2015 Pioneer Elite Audio Video Receivers (AVR's) inclue VSX-45 and VSX-90.

Hyperlink to press release and some technical details as of March 24, 2015:

http://www.businesswire.com/news/hom...d#.VRG6kGPVuRE
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HYperlink to official Pioneer Elite VSX-45 website.

Hyperlink to official Pioneer Elite VSX-45 website:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...ceivers/VSX-45
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Hyperlink to official Pioneer Elite VSX-90 website

Hyperlink to official Pioneer Elite VSX-90 website:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...ceivers/VSX-90
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If I am reading these specs correctly, all HDMI ports on the newly announced VSX-45, VSX-90, VSX-830, and VSX-1130 are HDMI 2.0 and support HDCP 2.2 and 4k at 60 fps with 4:4:4 (full 18 Gbps bandwidth). If that's true, I will be picking up a VSX-45 as soon as it's available.
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If I am reading these specs correctly, all HDMI ports on the newly announced VSX-45, VSX-90, VSX-830, and VSX-1130 are HDMI 2.0 and support HDCP 2.2 and 4k at 60 fps with 4:4:4 (full 18 Gbps bandwidth). If that's true, I will be picking up a VSX-45 as soon as it's available.
I was curious about the same thing. I found the user manual[1] online. It indicates (on p. 28) that three inputs support HDCP 2.2 (BD, HDMI In 1, and HDMI In 2), and two outputs (HDMI Out 1 and HDMI Out 2) support it.

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[1]: http colon slash slash www dot pioneerelectronics dot com/PUSA/Unassigned-Content/Manuals/VSX-1130-K+OPERATING+INSTRUCTIONS
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I always get confused about this, but what's the difference between these recent VSX elites, the VSX regulars, and the soon to come 2015 SC elites?
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Wait a minute, 700 bucks for 5.1.2 with only pre-outs for subs?? Wow...what a disappointment.
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I am looking to get the VSX-90. I mainly need it to run my Gaming PC through the receiver and to my 4k set. My Panasonic 4k supports HDMI 2.0 full speed on port #4 , but I need a receiver to use so I can get the audio in 5.1/7.1. I tried 2 of the Denon that does the pass through at full 4k/60fps and chroma 4:4:4, but both had defective HDMI ports.

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Hyperlink to official Pioneer Elite VSX-45 website:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...ceivers/VSX-45
80 Watts (roughly 140W at 6ohm) for $450?
That means about $399 retail. I think hdcp 2.2 makes these so expensive, do they offer upconversion from analog composite inputs to HDMI at least?

How does this compare to STR-DN1050?
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I plan on picking up the VSX-90. The press release said April, so hopefully we are getting pretty close to seeing these on the streets. Lots of features I have been looking for.

For those that may have missed it - the operator owners manual has been posted...

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/St...ions012815.pdf

(BTW: I hate the model name. It's almost exactly like VSX-90TXV from 2007/2008).


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did they drop THX certification on the higher end Elite models?


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Looking at the specs and the manual itself I did not see any reference to THX.


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[QUOTE=turnne1;33183593]did they drop THX certification on the higher end Elite moDel?

Yes
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Anyone know when the new SC Elites will be introduced? The 87 and 89 are nice but don't offer hdcp 2.2.
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Wait a minute, 700 bucks for 5.1.2 with only pre-outs for subs?? Wow...what a disappointment.
The only X.X.4 Atmos Pioneer, Yamaha, Denon, Marantz models currently available from 2014 are MSRP $1500+. Not likely to see any 2015 models offering more than X.X.2 as they are all 7CH models none of which are likely to be expandable to 9CH which would be required to offer X.X.4.

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Anyone know when the new SC Elites will be introduced? The 87 and 89 are nice but don't offer hdcp 2.2.
The lower level models most likely later this summer (July?) although our Pioneer distributor has not provided a release date to us as yet.

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The only X.X.4 Atmos Pioneer, Yamaha, Denon, Marantz models currently available from 2014 are MSRP $1500+. Not likely to see any 2015 models offering more than X.X.2 as they are all 7CH models none of which are likely to be expandable to 9CH which would be required to offer X.X.4.
If these 5.1.2 (or 7.1) receivers had proper speaker position calibration and pre-outs, you could buy two of the 500$ models and daisy-chain them.

There is no technical reason you couldn't have 7 channels at one level and 7 independent height channels.

You can enable Atmos rendering with only the bed speakers plugged in / enabled, right? No reason to not render as many channels as you like, as long as your hdmi inputs / outputs are forwarding Atmos data to the next AVR in the HDMI chain. But that's assuming they get their thumbs out and actually provide proper 3D speaker placement calibration. You should be able to place your speakers whereever you want, however many you want. Sound waves superimpose making sound additive. I'm trying to understand if you had two identical Atmos systems going on at the same time, but calibrated to slightly (or very) different positions, with 1/2 the volume, why that wouldn't work just as well as a single Atmos renderer that only thinks you have X number of speakers.

Not sure how well that'd work for DSU though. Maybe it would. It would make an interesting experiment. Unfortunately apparently even the Yamahas don't have accurate/arbitrary 3D speaker positioning for all their channels.
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Does anybody know when these will be available? On bhphotovideo it says the 830 and 1130 will be available May 1st. Is that a ballpark estimate or the real date?
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Oh man, have been waiting for HDCP 2.2/ HDMI 2.0 for a while and I am disappointed. Read the manual from cover to cover and there is so many restrictions.

For example, no down converting is possible for HDZONE. I have a 4K in the family room, 1080p projector in the living room, 1080p screens in the kitchen and bedroom. Sometimes I need to have them playing same content (not all 4, but may be 2 or 3) there is no hope for me yet as HDZONE will have to be 4K if the main zone is 4K.

Also, they advertisement makes the VSX-90 look like it has HDZONE and Zone 2 but don't be fulled - it's one or the other. And although this thing has so many speaker outputs, the manual doesn't give a combination of 5.1 main, HDZONE, and speakers B so I assume it isn't possible (only 5.1 + speakers B or 5.1 + HDZone/Zone 2).

No pre-out's either. Right now I am down mixing 5.1 from the living room to kitchen, and dining table so I can hear central channel in this areas.


Sometimes I miss the old days - everything was so simple. One standard for decadeS (NTSC/PAL). Now, within a single decade, we have 2 changes and so much headaches.

I have low hopes and high doubts that even their premium line that will come out in the summer will have similar restrictions like this.
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Oh man, have been waiting for HDCP 2.2/ HDMI 2.0 for a while and I am disappointed. Read the manual from cover to cover and there is so many restrictions.

For example, no down converting is possible for HDZONE. I have a 4K in the family room, 1080p projector in the living room, 1080p screens in the kitchen and bedroom. Sometimes I need to have them playing same content (not all 4, but may be 2 or 3) there is no hope for me yet as HDZONE will have to be 4K if the main zone is 4K.

Also, they advertisement makes the VSX-90 look like it has HDZONE and Zone 2 but don't be fulled - it's one or the other. And although this thing has so many speaker outputs, the manual doesn't give a combination of 5.1 main, HDZONE, and speakers B so I assume it isn't possible (only 5.1 + speakers B or 5.1 + HDZone/Zone 2).

No pre-out's either. Right now I am down mixing 5.1 from the living room to kitchen, and dining table so I can hear central channel in this areas.


Sometimes I miss the old days - everything was so simple. One standard for decadeS (NTSC/PAL). Now, within a single decade, we have 2 changes and so much headaches.

I have low hopes and high doubts that even their premium line that will come out in the summer will have similar restrictions like this.
What are you going to get? When will we see basic hdcp 2.2 complaint receivers soon that are not "elite" or "pro". I don't need wifi/lan/BT or all those gimmicky features, just give me a solid 5.1 or 5.2 receiver with at least one hdcp complaint port for around $300 and I am a happy camper.

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What are you going to get? When will we see basic hdcp 2.2 complaint receivers soon that are not "elite" or "pro". I don't need wifi/lan/BT or all those gimmicky features, just give me a solid 5.1 or 5.2 receiver with at least one hdcp complaint port for around $300 and I am a happy camper.
Well, I am guessing the vsx-45 (trust me, the Elites are worth it) will be good for you. My situation is complicated. I am an audio/video freak, hobby DJ, IT technician. Got a closet with 40U Rack that is 90% full server, amps, mixers, converters... and the house is "shielded" with Cat6, HDMI and 14 AWG speaker wire.
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Well, I am guessing the vsx-45 (trust me, the Elites are worth it) will be good for you. My situation is complicated. I am an audio/video freak, hobby DJ, IT technician. Got a closet with 40U Rack that is 90% full server, amps, mixers, converters... and the house is "shielded" with Cat6, HDMI and 14 AWG speaker wire.
I guess it will be. So far it's the only announced sub $500 receiver with 2.2, however if Onkyo takes initiative and drops the NR636 from $500 to something like $350 (I doubt they will be able to maintain $500 price with VSX-45 releasing at $450) they we may have to do some thinking.

You sound like the person that would answer "me" to the question that I ask myself "who is buying these receivers" when I see stuff like SC-89..

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I guess it will be. So far it's the only announced sub $500 receiver with 2.2, however if Onkyo takes initiative and drops the NR636 from $500 to something like $350 (I doubt they will be able to maintain $500 price with VSX-45 releasing at $450) they we may have to do some thinking.

You sound like the person that would answer "me" to the question that I ask myself "who is buying these receivers" when I see stuff like SC-89..
Trust me, SC-89 can't help me. There is so many limitations when it comes to second zones you have no idea.

Oh and FYI, I would never never never buy modern Onkyo. I read so many reviews and opinions - I am pretty sure they brake the most.
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Trust me, SC-89 can't help me. There is so many limitations when it comes to second zones you have no idea.

Oh and FYI, I would never never never buy modern Onkyo. I read so many reviews and opinions - I am pretty sure they brake the most.
Didn't have any idea they had such bad reputation. This makes VSX-45 the only contender in "borderline affordable" receivers with hdcp 2.2 for normal folks like myself.

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Oh man, have been waiting for HDCP 2.2/ HDMI 2.0 for a while and I am disappointed. Read the manual from cover to cover and there is so many restrictions.

For example, no down converting is possible for HDZONE. I have a 4K in the family room, 1080p projector in the living room, 1080p screens in the kitchen and bedroom. Sometimes I need to have them playing same content (not all 4, but may be 2 or 3) there is no hope for me yet as HDZONE will have to be 4K if the main zone is 4K.
This is true with any HDMI switch whether installed in an AVR or from a dedicated switch. Also keep in mind that most likely every 2015 model released from any mfr will be HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2 so these are just the first 2 to be announced.

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Also, they advertisement makes the VSX-90 look like it has HDZONE and Zone 2 but don't be fulled - it's one or the other. And although this thing has so many speaker outputs, the manual doesn't give a combination of 5.1 main, HDZONE, and speakers B so I assume it isn't possible (only 5.1 + speakers B or 5.1 + HDZone/Zone 2).
Of course. This is only a 7CH AVR (5+2=7) such that if you have a 5.1 setup you only have 2CH left for either HDZone or Zone 2 or Speakers B. However, there is a set of Zone 2 pre-outs which can be connected to an external amp to power Zone 2 speakers as well.

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The same HDMI switch limitation yes, however, the 9CH models (SC-85 and higher) not only have a full set of main zone pre-outs but can also do 5.1 + Zone 2 + HDZone (ie. 5+2+2=9).

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This is true with any HDMI switch whether installed in an AVR or from a dedicated switch. Also keep in mind that most likely every 2015 model released from any mfr will be HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2 so these are just the first 2 to be announced.



Of course. This is only a 7CH AVR (5+2=7) such that if you have a 5.1 setup you only have 2CH left for either HDZone or Zone 2 or Speakers B. However, there is a set of Zone 2 pre-outs which can be connected to an external amp to power Zone 2 speakers as well.



The same HDMI switch limitation yes, however, the 9CH models (SC-85 and higher) not only have a full set of main zone pre-outs but can also do 5.1 + Zone 2 + HDZone (ie. 5+2+2=9).
There are actually 9 speaker terminals on the back of the unit. One could be easily mislead by this fact.

Sure a standalone HDMI switch acts the same way. Only problem is, a stand alone HDMI switch costs $30 bucks, not $1000 or $3000 (as the case with the SC-89).
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Oh and FYI, I would never never never buy modern Onkyo. I read so many reviews and opinions - I am pretty sure they brake the most.
Didn't have any idea they had such bad reputation. This makes VSX-45 the only contender in "borderline affordable" receivers with hdcp 2.2 for normal folks like myself.

Onkyo aquired the Pioneer Elite brand so it'll be interesting to see how both their flagship models compare when announced.
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