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The DTS:X implementation has been much more difficult to implement then expected.
Why is this though? Is it the receivers not properly equipped for dts X? Meaning is it a hardware problem/limitation or is it a coding problem?

You would think it was planned better between manufacturers and dts. I really hope all the issues are a patchable software fix and not a hardware limitation.

I don't really use it to listen to music so don't really have any issues plaguing me as far as I can tell with the 2 movies I do have in dts X. I'm just curious as to why you say it was hard to implement and hope it's software in general for those plagued with any issues the update caused.

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The DTS:X implementation has been much more difficult to implement then expected.
Hey jd, I must have missed this. My 7.1 system seems to run fine. Are they issues with Atmos?
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Firmware update by USB

As Denon is now loading the firmware updates on their website, having never been through the process myself, I wanted to do so so I could share my experience with you 2015 model owners. Note that the firmware update also comes with a set of .pdf instructions much of which are repeated below for clarity.

1. Go to http://usa.denon.com/us/downloads/productupdates on your laptop or PC
2. Select the model of your AVR from the dropdown (note: it may take a week or more for update to be listed as a USB download after being released via the internet download)
3. Enter the serial number of your AVR (can be found on the OEM box as well as the back panel of the AVR)
4. Enter your personal info (name, address, email)
5. If download doesn't start within a few seconds, try again later that day or the next day (it took me a week of unsuccessful tries after the update first appeared on the webpage before I was able to successfully download the update for the X6200W)
6. Click on the downloaded zip file to unzip it (eg. AVR_6200W_USB_Update_02_18_16.zip) - there should be two items: (1) firmwares folder, and (2) Firmware Update instructions
7. Review the Firmware update instructions
8. Move the "firmwares" folder to a FAT16 or FAT32 formatted USB thumb drive (note: it's okay if there are other files on the thumbdrive)
9. With the AVR in Standby (all Zones off), place the USB thumb drive into the AVR's USB port
10. Press/hold the OPTION + STATUS buttons on the front panel (will be different depending on the AVR model) while powering on the AVR
11. Keep holding the OPTION + STATUS buttons until "USB Update Start" is displayed on the front panel (~ 10 seconds)
12. Press ENTER on the AVR's remote control and "Update File check" will display on the front panel (on the TV will display "Please wait ..... Checking update files"
13. It will take about 2 minutes before the update process starts, the front panel displaying the approximate time (in my case 28 minutes was displayed but actual time was 34 minutes)
14. When the update process is complete, "Update Complete" may display (I missed it) and the AVR will return to the last source selected.
15. Remove the thumb drive from the USB port and power cycle the AVR OFF, then ON again.
16. The Firmware update instructions .pdf shows a process to confirm the various updated file versions (all checked out for me)

After doing the update which completed successfully, there were two non DTS:X firmware update related issues that presented on my AVR:
(1) The INFO button no longer worked - I was able to resolve this by doing a "soft reset" (power to Standby and unplug the power cable for 10 minutes)
(2) When I tried to play Pandora, a "No network connection" message displayed. When I checked the settings, there was no router password so I tried several times to enter it, each time getting an "Incorrect password. Try again." message. Further checking of the Networking - Information settings showed there was no IP Address listed. I did several Network resets (see post 5 of this thread); however, could not get the network card to grab an IP address with DHCP set to ON. I was only able to regain network connectivity by setting DHCP to OFF and assigning a static IP address (see AVR Owner's manual for instructions).
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Hey jd, I must have missed this. My 7.1 system seems to run fine. Are they issues with Atmos?
No. Just with DTS:X.
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JD; Is it with overall DTS:X... Or just the specific Denon roll-out that has issues?


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Thanks for that. Shame - there's a big difference between end of 2015 and now looking at Q2 2016
I'm fine waiting on my X3200, until they fix it.......... Hell, if it came out today, I wouldn't update. I am more than happy with the Dolby Surround Upmixer, and I know it works.

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1. Using the "Bi-amp" feature provides no additional benefit in either additional power or better audio quality, so best to just use single wire connections and leave the AMP ASSIGN at factory default of "Zone 2".
2. The LPF for LFE setting ONLY refers to the LFE signal (ie. 0.1 in DD/DTS 5.1/7.1) and although the default of 120Hz is recommended to allow the full LFE signal (ie. 20Hz - 120Hz) to pass through to the sub, you can also set it lower to suit your preference.
3. The "LFE+MAIN" setting only applies when the FL/FR speakers are set to LARGE, so the factory default of "LFE" should not be changed.

I am considering upgrading to the X3200W and have a question. I have a 5.1 configuration and my front main speakers are Bi-Amp capable. I understand that passive Bi-Amping would not provide any benefit but active Bi-Amping would/might provide a benefit.

So, can the X3200W be configured to Bi-Amp the front mains and use the internal multi-band EQ to configure a low-pass filter for the low connection to the speaker and a high-pass filter for the high connection to the speaker?

Has anyone tried this?

I am new to this and just wanted to possibly put those extra 2 channels in the AVR to use.

Thank you in advance for any help.
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As Denon is now loading the firmware updates on their website, having never been through the process myself, I wanted to do so so I could share my experience with you 2015 model owners.

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(2) When I tried to play Pandora, a "No network connection" message displayed. When I checked the settings, there was no router password so I tried several times to enter it, each time getting an "Incorrect password. Try again." message. Further checking of the Networking - Information settings showed there was no IP Address listed. I did several Network resets (see post 5 of this thread); however, could not get the network card to grab an IP address with DHCP set to ON. I was only able to regain network connectivity by setting DHCP to OFF and assigning a static IP address (see AVR Owner's manual for instructions).
Interesting. I'm using ethernet instead of wireless, and I'm not having this issue. Normally, DHCP is completely independent of network type, so they must have done something to their wireless implementation that prevents DHCP from working correctly. Good thing setting a static address still works.

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JD; Is it with overall DTS:X... Or just the specific Denon roll-out that has issues?
I suspect it's all of the vendors. They would have preferred to ship the 2015 AVR models with the DTS:X firmware back in November or so when they were first released, rather than 5 months later.
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I am considering upgrading to the X3200W and have a question. I have a 5.1 configuration and my front main speakers are Bi-Amp capable. I understand that passive Bi-Amping would not provide any benefit but active Bi-Amping would/might provide a benefit.

So, can the X3200W be configured to Bi-Amp the front mains and use the internal multi-band EQ to configure a low-pass filter for the low connection to the speaker and a high-pass filter for the high connection to the speaker?
Yes, you can setup the AVR in bi-amp mode, and connect another pair of wires to the high and low connections on your bi-ampable speakers:

http://manuals.denon.com/avrx3200w/na/EN/WBSPSYtweharpi.php#WBSPMLenkawunn

However, doing so won't make any significant difference. Your X3200W has a single power supply. The total amount of power available to the speakers will be exactly the same as if you just connected your speakers normally.
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So if the Satellites are crossed over at 80-100, would it make sense to set this LFE setting to match the maximum crossover and reduce the setting to say 100 since my max crossover is 100, i would imagine both of this settings could be in conflict.
Also i read some more articles about subwoofer setup and configuration from Martin Logan including Utube, from that i gained that while for Movie soundtrack LFE is best but for Music, line in and additional connections should be considered to subwoofer as Music does not have LFE specific out, do i miss out on the Bass if i am only using LFE, can the receiver optimize for Music via LFE out to sub ?
Specifically for music what are your recommendations ?
Fortunately there is no direct interaction of this LFE low pass with the main speakers or music playback. For music use, there is no .1 channel in stereo music, so this setting has no effect. This setting also has no impact on the crossover setting for the bass content routed from the main speakers.

For the reasons I suggest that you may want to adjust this setting, a higher main speaker crossover does make it more likely that you would want an equal or higher setting for your LFE channel, but again it's a matter of preference at that point.

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Yes, you can setup the AVR in bi-amp mode, and connect another pair of wires to the high and low connections on your bi-ampable speakers:

http://manuals.denon.com/avrx3200w/na/EN/WBSPSYtweharpi.php#WBSPMLenkawunn

However, doing so won't make any significant difference. Your X3200W has a single power supply. The total amount of power available to the speakers will be exactly the same as if you just connected your speakers normally.
Yes but, what about using the internal multi-band EQ of the X3200W to configure a low-pass filter for the low connection to the speaker and a high-pass filter for the high connection to the speaker? Would this now make it an "active Bi-Amp" configuration and therefore provide some, slight, benefit?

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Is the audio level only hotter/louder when utilizing Neural:X (vs DTS:X, or DSU, or Dolby Atmos)?
I am obviously in error. After switching between Neural:X and DTS:X and just Stereo, there is no difference in audio levels. I guess going by what I had in my memory was not a correct thing to do. I should have checked before making this post. Sorry to have wasted anybody's time about this.
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Yes but, what about using the internal multi-band EQ of the X3200W to configure a low-pass filter for the low connection to the speaker and a high-pass filter for the high connection to the speaker? Would this now make it an "active Bi-Amp" configuration and therefore provide some, slight, benefit?
Nope.

In order to bi-amp, you need to have two different amps with their own power supplies; two different amp channels using a common power supply simply cannot exceed the capacity of that single shared power supply, regardless of how you connect things.

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Interesting. I'm using ethernet instead of wireless, and I'm not having this issue. Normally, DHCP is completely independent of network type, so they must have done something to their wireless implementation that prevents DHCP from working correctly. Good thing setting a static address still works.
As noted in my previous posts, there exists possibility that wireless networking is not starting during wi-fi setup, the way i got around was just to use the iphone connection method , which indicated on screen that wireless networking is now starting then go back to wi fi and it should work, other then Denon rolling out the fixes.
Its unnerving to see so many issue with Wi Fi and Denon in general, if they are not careful then other brands without such issues will become more apealing.
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Nope.

In order to bi-amp, you need to have two different amps with their own power supplies; two different amp channels using a common power supply simply cannot exceed the capacity of that single shared power supply, regardless of how you connect things.

I see. Thank you.
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I've been tweaking my X2200W setup and am debating how to setup my two rear ceiling speakers (about 4 feet behind the listening position) in a 5.1.2 setup.

The amp assign options 'Top Middle' or 'Dolby Surround' are the choices (no 'Top Rear' option). Dolby Surround seems to be the best choice as they are rear parallel in line with the surrounds but in the manual these are for 'Atmos enabled' upfiring speakers. The smallest height from the ceiling I can set it in the "Dolby Speaker Setup" is 3 feet. On the Dolby site a 5.1.2 spec lists two Top Middle speakers.

I've tried both and with doing different tests don't really see much difference, both sound great! Would you rather use 'Top Middle' and use Audyssey to correct or would you stick with 'Dolby Surround'?
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In 5.1.2 set-up the top middle is the Dolby recommendation which is in front of MLP, and not behind


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Yes, you can setup the AVR in bi-amp mode, and connect another pair of wires to the high and low connections on your bi-ampable speakers:

http://manuals.denon.com/avrx3200w/na/EN/WBSPSYtweharpi.php#WBSPMLenkawunn

However, doing so won't make any significant difference. Your X3200W has a single power supply. The total amount of power available to the speakers will be exactly the same as if you just connected your speakers normally.
Yes but, what about using the internal multi-band EQ of the X3200W to configure a low-pass filter for the low connection to the speaker and a high-pass filter for the high connection to the speaker? Would this now make it an "active Bi-Amp" configuration and therefore provide some, slight, benefit?

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You couldn't even do this if you wanted to. As far as the AVR is concerned it's still one channel. The signal is simply copied to two sets of outputs. So you couldn't equalize them separately.
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Found something odd today. I go in every couple of weeks and level check with my cross spectrum spl meter and check settings. All my speakers and subs are exactly 4db low at 0.0 db master volume. Only thing that has changed since then was the update, and all of the match identically. I may suggest running XT32 again if anyone else can confirm. I will run it this weekend if I get a chance, just thought that was not a coincidence.
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I did see that, I know it's not an ideal setup. If my ceiling speakers were nearer the middle I would definitely choose the 'Top Middle' amp assign.

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So wait,


I've read a couple pages of this thread. I bought the X2200 thinking I would get DtsX in a reasonable amount of time to fix the disappointment that Atmos is and I could be waiting another year for it?


By the time it releases, there may be a new generation of receivers out. May be time to be requesting a refund.

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Hi all,


I am an owner of X3200W, anyone know when DTS:X be available for this AMP??? I can't find any timelines like 7200,6200 or 4200 have. I think Denon should give us a timeline of expectation. I don't mind to wait but I just wanted to be clear when it will happen.
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I am an owner of X3200W, anyone know when DTS:X be available for this AMP??? I can't find any timelines like 7200,6200 or 4200 have. I think Denon should give us a timeline of expectation. I don't mind to wait but I just wanted to be clear when it will happen.

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I've read a couple pages of this thread. I bought the X2200 thinking I would get DtsX in a reasonable amount of time to fix the disappointment that Atmos is and I could be waiting another year for it?


By the time it releases, there may be a new generation of receivers out. May be time to be requesting a refund.

Not sure where you're getting "waiting a year" from as the plan has always been to release after the higher models with a likely ETA of spring 2016. There have been a few issues noted with the implementation of the new DTS:X firmware, so there might be a slightly longer delay, if the issues are to be resolved first. No official ETA at this point though.
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DTS Neural:X parameter setting

There has been some confusion regarding just how the new DTS Neural:X setting works. This has nothing to do with whether the DTS Neural:X surround mode is used on standard DTS audio or not, rather this setting applies only to DTS:X audio as noted in the image below.

OFF : the AVR will playback exactly what is in the DTS:X stream - this means however, that unless there is "object" audio directed to every speaker in your configuration, there may be some speakers that are silent

ON: the AVR will send audio to all speakers in the system regardless of what is in the DTS:X stream (ie. DTS Neural:X will be used to simulate audio to any speakers not receiving specific object data).


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Not sure where you're getting "waiting a year" from as the plan has always been to release after the higher models with a likely ETA of spring 2016.
It might be the fact that their own website, and all their dealers, had the following on the 2200 page:

"Denon will release a firmware update in the fall of 2015 that will give this receiver DTS:X surround sound, an upcoming format which will use object-based processing similar to Dolby Atmos and overhead speakers for immersive home theater."

That definitely says Q4 2015 not Q2 2016....

And from their press release, still up on their website:

"At a glance:

Denon AVR-X1200W 7.2ch Network A/V Receiver - Key Features

80W x 7ch (8 ohm, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.08%THD) high quality discrete power amplifier for powerful and detailed sound
Built-in Dolby Atmos; DTS:X ready (via firmware update later in 2015)"

No mention of any plans for it being after the higher models and 2016.

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It might be the fact that their own website, and all their dealers, had the following on the 2200 page:

"Denon will release a firmware update in the fall of 2015 that will give this receiver DTS:X surround sound, an upcoming format which will use object-based processing similar to Dolby Atmos and overhead speakers for immersive home theater."

That definitely says Q4 2015 not Q2 2016....

And from their press release, still up on their website:

"At a glance:

Denon AVR-X1200W 7.2ch Network A/V Receiver - Key Features

80W x 7ch (8 ohm, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.08%THD) high quality discrete power amplifier for powerful and detailed sound
Built-in Dolby Atmos; DTS:X ready (via firmware update later in 2015)"

No mention of any plans for it being after the higher models and 2016.

Definitely agree the web pages need to be updated, however, one of the pages clearly indicates a 2016 release ....

https://usa.denon.com/us/news/news/160
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Have the networking issues been resolved yet with any of the firmware updates?

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Have the networking issues been resolved yet with any of the firmware updates?

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Nope. Still broken.
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