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Which receivers can do dolby atmos 7.1.4 and dts x?

I know that the Yamaha 3040 and the marantz 7010 will be able to do it but what about the pioneer or denon models will do it? Will the marantz 6010 do it? any help is appreciated? just trying to see what I will have to spend to make this happen
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I know that the Yamaha 3040 and the marantz 7010 will be able to do it but what about the pioneer or denon models will do it? Will the marantz 6010 do it? any help is appreciated? just trying to see what I will have to spend to make this happen
The Marantz does but the 3040 does not. The new Yamaha RX-A3050 does.
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The Marantz does but the 3040 does not. The new Yamaha RX-A3050 does.

The Denon AVR-X7200WA will do Atmos. I believe DTS-X is available as an upgrade ( http://usa.denon.com/us/product/home...sht/avrx7200wa ). You will need an extra amp for 7.1.4.
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Onkyo TX-NR646 and TX-NR747 will also I think?
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There are only two on the market now and very few to be released by the fall that can support 11CH processing (ie. Atmos 7.1.4) to include:

Denon X7200WA - (avail now with DTS:X update in the fall)
Marantz AV8802A - (pre/pro, avail now with DTS:X update in the fall)

Denon X6200W - Sep
Marantz SR7010 - Sep/Oct
Marantz 7702MKII - Sep/Oct (pre/pro)

Pioneer (no models support 11CH)

Yamaha A3050 - Aug

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The Marantz does but the 3040 does not. The new Yamaha RX-A3050 does.
From the Amazon listing:

Dolby Atmos Surround Processing: Dolby Atmos is now available with a firmware update. The RX-A3040 will process up to 7.1.4-ch when running Dolby Atmos.
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Onkyo TX-NR646 and TX-NR747 will also I think?
These are only 7CH models capable of Atmos 5.1.2


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Dolby Atmos Surround Processing: Dolby Atmos is now available with a firmware update. The RX-A3040 will process up to 7.1.4-ch when running Dolby Atmos.
Last year's A3040 can do Atmos 7.1.4, but is not HDCP 2.2 nor will AFAIK, it be getting the DTS:X update the OP requires.

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Last year's A3040 can do Atmos 7.1.4, but is not HDCP 2.2 nor will AFAIK, it be getting the DTS:X update the OP requires.
Ah. Missed the DTS:X part.
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Now I just need to decide if its worth it to go with 7.1.4 or if I should switch to 7.1.2 or 5.1.4? any thoughts on this. Is it better to go with 5.1.4 or 7.1.2?
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Depends on where your "height" speakers are positioned. If only using Front Heights, then a 5.1.4 with a second set of heights would provide a better experience. If already using Top Middle speakers, then you could get away with a 7.1.2, however, using 4 height speakers in a 5.1.4 will generally be better.

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JD,
It would be good to have a regularly updated list of new receiver releases that includes:
Projected release month
Atmos and DTS:X compatibility
Channels 5.1.4, 7.1.4 etc
Amplified channels
Pre outs
HDCP 2.2

Since you are the one that knows the most about the various releases, this would be a good sticky with no comments other than your updates.
Dialog and questions could then take place in the various Official receiver threads.
It would sure save a lot of time reading through super lengthy threads to find basic info.
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The Denon AVR-X7200WA will do Atmos. I believe DTS-X is available as an upgrade ( http://usa.denon.com/us/product/home...sht/avrx7200wa ). You will need an extra amp for 7.1.4.
I count 11 speaker outputs on the 7200 so I don t know why I would need an extra amp for it to be able to get 7.1.4 (11 speaker channels)
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I count 11 speaker outputs on the 7200 so I don t know why I would need an extra amp for it to be able to get 7.1.4 (11 speaker channels)

Yes - 11 outlets, but only 9 amps. You might check the manual; I think you can do 7.1.2 without an extra amp.




Playback speaker in each zone MAIN ZONE ZONE2 ZONE3 “Amp Assign” settings Connection page


5.1-channel playback Not used Not used 7.1ch + ZONE2 (Default) 41


7.1-channel playback (surround back) Not used Not used 7.1ch + ZONE2 (Default) 42


9.1-channel playback Not used Not used 9.1ch 43


11.1-channel playback Not used Not used 11.1ch 44


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7.1-channel playback + 2-channel bi-amp speakers for stereo playback Not used Not used 7.1ch/2ch Front (Bi-Amp) 47


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Dolby Atmos playback Not used Not used Dolby Atmos 53


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I count 11 speaker outputs on the 7200 so I don t know why I would need an extra amp for it to be able to get 7.1.4 (11 speaker channels)
The only receiver that provides 11 channels of amplification is the Onkyo 3030. The Yamaha, Onkyo, Marantz and Denon receivers that allow for 11 channels for Atmos and DTS:X, when it is available later this fall, require a 2 channel amp to utilize all 11 channels.
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JD,
It would be good to have a regularly updated list of new receiver releases that includes:
Projected release month
Atmos and DTS:X compatibility
Channels 5.1.4, 7.1.4 etc
Amplified channels
Pre outs
HDCP 2.2

Since you are the one that knows the most about the various releases, this would be a good sticky with no comments other than your updates.
Dialog and questions could then take place in the various Official receiver threads.
It would sure save a lot of time reading through super lengthy threads to find basic info.
Yes, that would be great as I am waiting as well. Currently thinking the Aventage 1050 may be the ticket for me. I heard July release but not sure.
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There are only two on the market now and very few to be released by the fall that can support 11CH processing (ie. Atmos 7.1.4) to include:

Denon X7200WA - (avail now with DTS:X update in the fall)
Marantz AV8802A - (pre/pro, avail now with DTS:X update in the fall)

Denon X6200W - Sep
Marantz SR7010 - Sep/Oct
Marantz 7702MKII - Sep/Oct (pre/pro)

Pioneer (no models support 11CH)

Yamaha A3050 - Aug

Onkyo NR1040 - Oct?
Onkyo NR3040 - Oct?
Anything on the horizon that can do 7.1.2 that is HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2?
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The only receiver that provides 11 channels of amplification is the Onkyo 3030. The Yamaha, Onkyo, Marantz and Denon receivers that allow for 11 channels for Atmos and DTS:X, when it is available later this fall, require a 2 channel amp to utilize all 11 channels.
I see that the Onkyo 3030 was released this time last year, have they announced a successor that will include DTS:X?

Is there currently any receiver that will do 7.1.4 DTS:X without the need for an external amplifier?
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1. That would be the next Onkyo receiver, the 3040. ...No news yet. ...Perhaps later on, this Summer, or early Fall.
2. Right now, no. ...See 1. above.

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1. That would be the next Onkyo receiver, the 3040. ...No news yet. ...Perhaps later on, this Summer, or early Fall.
2. Right now, no. ...See 1. above.
So if you NOW want 7.1.4 + XT32 + HDCP 2.2 + Atmos and DTS:X in the near future the AVR-X7200WA with a 2-channel amp is the way to go?

What do you recommend for a 2-channel amp and for what channels will it be used?
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1. Yes.
2. Any amp would do, to power two overhead Dolby Atmos speakers...100 watts per channel...roughly $100. ...Or even an old receiver with Main Ins.

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reviewing the Yamaha 3040 manual online since the 3050 manual is not on the Yamaha website yet
From what I am reading, to get 7.1.4 which is what I want, would have to set up as 9ch + Front in the set up
Meaning a separate amp for the front main speakers since the Yamaha only has an internal 9 ch amp
This is fine with me since I will be utilizing my Anthem MCA50 amp to externally power 5 speakers
Did not see any option in the Yamaha manual to setup for 7.1.4 and power two of the overhead externally
even if I missed something will use my Anthem MCA50 for the fronts, center, surrounds
Leaving the Yamaha 3050 to power the surround backs, front heights and middle heights
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Anything on the horizon that can do 7.1.2 that is HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2?
In addition to the models I previously listed that would of course be capable of Atmos 7.1.2 without an external amp:

Denon X4200W (w/2CH amp) - Sep

Yamaha A2040 - July

Pioneer Sc-85/87/89 successors - Oct/Nov ???

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There are only two on the market now and very few to be released by the fall that can support 11CH processing (ie. Atmos 7.1.4) to include:

Denon X7200WA - (avail now with DTS:X update in the fall)
Marantz AV8802A - (pre/pro, avail now with DTS:X update in the fall)

Denon X6200W - Sep
Marantz SR7010 - Sep/Oct
Marantz 7702MKII - Sep/Oct (pre/pro)

Pioneer (no models support 11CH)

Yamaha A3050 - Aug

Onkyo NR1040 - Oct?
Onkyo NR3040 - Oct?
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Depends on where your "height" speakers are positioned. If only using Front Heights, then a 5.1.4 with a second set of heights would provide a better experience. If already using Top Middle speakers, then you could get away with a 7.1.2, however, using 4 height speakers in a 5.1.4 will generally be better.
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JD,
It would be good to have a regularly updated list of new receiver releases that includes:
Projected release month
Atmos and DTS:X compatibility
Channels 5.1.4, 7.1.4 etc
Amplified channels
Pre outs
HDCP 2.2

Since you are the one that knows the most about the various releases, this would be a good sticky with no comments other than your updates.
Dialog and questions could then take place in the various Official receiver threads.
It would sure save a lot of time reading through super lengthy threads to find basic info.
I have been looking all over the internet for the last 2 days trying to find this information!! I 100% agree that this should be a sticky!!!
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I have been looking all over the internet for the last 2 days trying to find this information!! I 100% agree that this should be a sticky!!!
Here's a thought:

Is is possible to extract the Atmos or DTS-X signal and reprocess some of the signals as DTS-HD or the "normal stuff" to send to another AVR? Maybe a PC program or special box?

Here's the thought, The information is in the Digital Signal and must be processed from an Atmos or DTS-X enabled AVR..What if a program could emulate a 7.2.4 setup, Extract the information that would be sent to the 4 Ceilings and reprocess it as a 5.1 DTS-HD or the "normal stuff" sending it out via another digital output (Optical or Coaxial) to an AVR in the form of 2 X Front, 2 X Surround and you hook up your Ceiling speakers accordingly. The rest of the information goes to a regular 7.2 system with speakers configured like a normal 7.2 system. This way all of the processing is done via the processor or computer program and there is no need for an AVR equipped with anything other than the normal stuff such as DTS-HD.

Yeah, why wouldn't that work? OK, so I just made someone rich if this is possible! Thanks me later.
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So the Denon X7200wa is HDMI 2.0a capable then?
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So the Denon X7200wa is HDMI 2.0a capable then?
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Will the Denon X7200WA allow me to use a 7 channel amp for the 7 main and surround speakers and the X7200WA internal amps for the Dolby front and rear height speaker for a 7.2.4 setup? I'm looking at the manual and it's confusing how they're describe the custom setup options.
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Will the Denon X7200WA allow me to use a 7 channel amp for the 7 main and surround speakers and the X7200WA internal amps for the Dolby front and rear height speaker for a 7.2.4 setup? I'm looking at the manual and it's confusing how they're describe the custom setup options.
Yes, you can do this with the AMP ASSIGN = "11.1" setup.

Amp Assign: 11.1
Height Speakers: 4 Height Speakers
Height Layout: TF + TR (or whatever height speakers used)
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Here's a thought:

Is is possible to extract the Atmos or DTS-X signal and reprocess some of the signals as DTS-HD or the "normal stuff" to send to another AVR? Maybe a PC program or special box?

Here's the thought, The information is in the Digital Signal and must be processed from an Atmos or DTS-X enabled AVR..What if a program could emulate a 7.2.4 setup, Extract the information that would be sent to the 4 Ceilings and reprocess it as a 5.1 DTS-HD or the "normal stuff" sending it out via another digital output (Optical or Coaxial) to an AVR in the form of 2 X Front, 2 X Surround and you hook up your Ceiling speakers accordingly. The rest of the information goes to a regular 7.2 system with speakers configured like a normal 7.2 system. This way all of the processing is done via the processor or computer program and there is no need for an AVR equipped with anything other than the normal stuff such as DTS-HD.

Yeah, why wouldn't that work? OK, so I just made someone rich if this is possible! Thanks me later.
Why do that when all you have to do is get a receiver with 11 outputs n get a 2 channel amp and go 7.2.4 or hook up 4 speakers to the 2 channel amp and go 7.2.6
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Why do that when all you have to do is get a receiver with 11 outputs n get a 2 channel amp and go 7.2.4 or hook up 4 speakers to the 2 channel amp and go 7.2.6
Well, so far, receivers that can do a 7.2.4 + atmos + dts-x are very limited. And the one that can are 2K and above. The logic in my thoughts is that two receivers that can do 7.1 HD Audio are readily available at a price point of ~$400. Two of those would be ~$800. Now the dedicated conversion box or software would be an additional cost but would be able to be upgraded when new technology come out.

It was just a thought but hey I am a dreamer!
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