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post #1 of 12 Old 07-27-2015, 01:39 PM - Thread Starter
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Help me understand the difference between receiver types...

For this post, I will use Marantz as an example lineup...

I know the MM are the amps, but I can't discern the differences of the NR, SR, and AV lines... I am trying to find a solution under 2000 that has Atmos and DTS X and 140w to each of the seven channels.

But, for right now I really want to know the explanations for what scenarios you'd use each receiver. For instance, I'm really interested in the 1606, but it doesn't seem powerful... why is that? What's the catch? Why is it so cheap compared to a SR or AV model? It doesn't seem to support EVERY audio mode although it does support Atmos and DTS X... why do they make three separate receiver lines?

Also, if there is a good article to explain separates I'd be all over that, because I understand the concept, but I don't know enough where I could go out and buy them while knowing why. And if the NR1606 needs a separate amp, what is a good company for amps on the cheap, preferably 150-200w at 7ch... would the 5-channel Marantz MM7055 (and I have an older audio source for the rears) do the trick to help out the NR1606 or is that receiver missing too many other qualities?

Please explain in detail, as I am really confused and can't make a sound purchase. Pun intended...

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The av line is higher end with no internal amps. Pre/pro instead of receiver. Expensive.
The sr is next down with amps built in and preouts for external amps included.
The nr is a lower powered slimline with weaker versions of audyssey software
and limited external amp connections. Receivers don't come with 140 watts
for 7 channels because very few need that much power. You probably don't either.

For the best help please explain all speakers, subwoofers, tv's/projectors and sources
used for input. Approximately how loud is max goal and how big is the room?
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Is it possible then to supplement the NR1606 with a separate multi-channel amp? Does it have pre-amps? Is that the right term?
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Is it possible then to supplement the NR1606 with a separate multi-channel amp? Does it have pre-amps? Is that the right term?
They are called pre out on back of receiver. They all use the same single pin rca cable.
The 1606 has subwoofer 1&2, zone2 stereo and only front left/right pre outs for the main zone.
So only a 2 channel amp can be supplemented with the 1606 internal power. The next model up
has full preamp level speaker outputs. That model has the option of full external power or use
internal amps on some channels.
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Take a step back. What speakers are you driving. What's your setup going to be?
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I am trying to find a solution under 2000 that has Atmos and DTS X and 140w to each of the seven channels.
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I'd take a look at the Denon line in a model that gets you the features you want and that comes with pre-outs. Then look at external amps from either Outlaw or Emotiva to supplement the amp section if you still need to. And remember that if you pick up the phone and call, for example, the sales department of this site (and several others), you can usually get a better deal on receivers than the generally published MSRP.

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Receivers don't come with 140 watts
for 7 channels because very few need that much power.
My 4311 has 140 watts for 7 channels.

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Take a step back. What speakers are you driving. What's your setup going to be?
Speakers will be Tektons or Chane Arx...
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My 4311 has 140 watts for 7 channels.
Sort of, not all channels driven simultaneously. I have a 4520, while rated for 150/ch that's a rating of each discrete amplifier, but due to power supply restrictions it bench tests at 109 w/ch all 7 ch driven, likewise 122 w/ch for 5ch, 173 w/ch for 2ch (all 8 ohm, .1% THD) Your 4311 is basically the same amp section IIRC.
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Speakers will be Tektons or Chane Arx...
I see a bunch of towers, centers and bookshelfs at both companies.Tekton & Chane.
The models and total amount of speakers matter. Are you going 7.1? You shouldn't
need sr7010/x7200 power, but it depends on total number and size of speakers. The
slim line looks nice, but not real beefy in power. Look at the sr5010 maybe.
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Speakers will be Chane A5 towers with A2 surrounds (x4) or A5 front, A3 middle, A2 rears. HSU sub...

If Tekton, then Lore Reference, Lore Mini Monitor (x4), and hopefully Pendragon center. HSU sub... maybe no sub.

See my "Parents house broken into on July 4th" for receiver recommendations.
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Going back to your original post and that speaker list you shouldn't need discrete 140 watts on
every speaker. Towers sure, but the subwoofer amp needs most of the power. Look at the sr5010
or 6010. If that isn't loud enough mix in a few external channels.
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