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$450 budget; debating between Pioneer VSX-80 and Yamaha RX-A2000

Please help me pick between these two… Other suggestions are welcome too.

Very important:
  • crisp, detailed sound
  • good build quality
  • reliability

Less important:
  • 4K/ UHD (don’t plan to upgrade TV for the next 2 yrs)
  • wireless/Bluetooth
  • ability to EQ subwoofer

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Both have the "very important" things. The others you can check by reviewing the specifications for each model.
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Both have the "very important" things. The others you can check by reviewing the specifications for each model.
Between these AVRs, only the vsx80 has the ultra HD compatibility and Bluetooth. So my question really is: does the A2000 greatly excels in the feature that are important to me? If so, I will pick the Yamaha over the pioneer and sacrifice Bluetooth and hdmi 2/hdcp2.2. Would that be a bad choice?

Between these two which one is particularly good with EQing the sub?

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The RX-A2000 is a few years older but probably has a stronger amp section. The VSX-80 is this years model and has the excellent ESS Sabre dacs for crystal clear sound. I have a similar Pioneer 1124 in storage and it's a fine receiver but not quite as strong as my older VSX-23. After years of ridicule on this forum Pioneer finally adds subwoofer eq to their room correction software...and you couldn't care less. That's hilarious . BTW, not that important to me either .

If you like to "tweak" you receiver then Pioneers are hard to beat with their many MCACC presets and other audio adjustments. Like to "set-it-and-forget-it"? Then the Yamaha might be the better choice.

Might help to know what avr you had before and what you liked/dis-liked about it.

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Madhuxs, saw your recent post after submitting mine.

I'm not sure the Yamaha does eq the sub. The Pioneer is a 4 band eq and I usually set the eq's myself. It is a nice feature to have but I can't "thump-thump" so I've never been able to have a really good sub or care that much about equalizing it. I just want it to fill in the bottom end, which mine do well enough without the need for an eq.
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Yamaha is rated #1 in reliability for the AVR product category, has been for the last 5 years..

Just my $0.02...
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Between these AVRs, only the vsx80 has the ultra HD compatibility and Bluetooth. So my question really is: does the A2000 greatly excels in the feature that are important to me? If so, I will pick the Yamaha over the pioneer and sacrifice Bluetooth and hdmi 2/hdcp2.2. Would that be a bad choice?

Between these two which one is particularly good with EQing the sub?
Either one will do fine.
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The RX-A2000 is a few years older but probably has a stronger amp section. The VSX-80 is this years model and has the excellent ESS Sabre dacs for crystal clear sound. I have a similar Pioneer 1124 in storage and it's a fine receiver but not quite as strong as my older VSX-23. After years of ridicule on this forum Pioneer finally adds subwoofer eq to their room correction software...and you couldn't care less. That's hilarious . BTW, not that important to me either

Might help to know what avr you had before and what you liked/dis-liked about it.
Thanks for your input.

Sub eq is important but not as important as good sound or build quality. That's what I meant by less important, didn't mean to imply that it was not important. In any case, I have a pro amp with dsp to power my subwoofer (but yet to tweak the dsp).

My current receiver is in my sig. , its a flagship model. it has a broken dsp board--works with analog sources only, but it sounded great when it worked.

I just noticed that the vsx-80 does not support HDCP 2.2;since it's not terribly future proof I might just go with the older Yamaha.

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Since I don't need the latest whizz-bang features I'd always opt for the higher-end older avr vs the newer mid-range model. The RX-A2000 had a $1499 msrp while the VSX-80's was $700. The nearly identicle Pioneer 1124's was $599. My two Elite receivers are from 2009. Perfectly happy with them.
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Thanks for your input.

Sub eq is important but not as important as good sound or build quality. That's what I meant by less important, didn't mean to imply that it was not important. In any case, I have a pro amp with dsp to power my subwoofer (but yet to tweak the dsp).

My current receiver is in my sig. , its a flagship model. it has a broken dsp board--works with analog sources only, but it sounded great when it worked.

I just noticed that the vsx-80 does not support HDCP 2.2;since it's not terribly future proof I might just go with the older Yamaha.
Personally, I like Yamaha's room correction more than pioneer's, I didn't look through all the different specs to see exactly what your interested in, I know you just asked about between these two, but what about saving $100 and going with this?

http://www.accessories4less.com/make...airplay/1.html

Or did I miss something in a feature that's not there?

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I have a 10 year old Yamaha RX-V659. I highly recommend its younger brother, the V679. The 679 does appear to be outside your budget ($599), but its new to the market. The V677 might suit your needs since once it is discontinued it gets discounted (Currently $399).

I like the 6 series and Yamaha. I LIKE the sound Burr Brown DAC's have in surround (it is warmer than others). Having those on all channels make my ears happy.
http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-RX-V677.../dp/B00ODSDNHC

The A2000 has burr browns too. Considering Amazon has this for $850, it sounds like a steal.

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The vsx80 has a Subwoofer EQ?


I'd love something like a high p[ass filter on the subwoofer channel. My iNuke3000dsp has a high pass at 20 Hz but I'd much prefer the high pas be near 15 Hz instead. How does the Pioneer Subwoofer EQ work exactly?
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what about saving $100 and going with this?

http://www.accessories4less.com/make...airplay/1.html

Or did I miss something in a feature that's not there?
Actually, I did look at the X3000. But coming from a flaghship receiver I felt the need for good build quality. I think the VSX-80 is slightly better with the metal face plate, further I thought it was HDCP 2.2 compliant.

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The vsx80 has a Subwoofer EQ?
Pioneer has 3 levels of MCACC basic, advanced and pro. The VSX-80 has the advanced level, but the newer vsx-90 has the pro. MCACC advanced supposedly adds 4 filters below 80HZ.

Look up the DIY forum for the workaround to eq your iNuke below 20hz.

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The A2000 has burr browns too. Considering Amazon has this for $850, it sounds like a steal.
I might just go with the A2000. I may need the features of the newer AVRs like HDCP 2.2, only 2-3 yrs down the road; even then I might be able to avoid an AVR upgrade but getting a Bluray player with 2 HDMI outs...

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Pioneer has 3 levels of MCACC basic, advanced and pro. The VSX-80 has the advanced level, but the newer vsx-90 has the pro. MCACC advanced supposedly adds 4 filters below 80HZ.

Look up the DIY forum for the workaround to eq your iNuke below 20hz.
Ya, I did the workaround. But I don't think that it does what it claims. I'd have to sit and do the math to prove that it is a viable solution. No one in the thread said they did that.
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I might just go with the A2000. I may need the features of the newer AVRs like HDCP 2.2, only 2-3 yrs down the road; even then I might be able to avoid an AVR upgrade but getting a Bluray player with 2 HDMI outs...
The RX-A2030 has the sub eq feature. I am not sure if RX-A2000 has that feature, you'll have to look up the user manual to find that out.
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I assume that the quoted price for RX-A2000 is from AC4L for a refurbished unit. Take a look at RX-A2030 from WorldWide Stereo. When I was shopping for an AVR , I got a pretty good price around $700 to $800 for RX-A2030 from them. RX-A2030 has the sub eq and ESS Sabre DAC's. The sound quality is pretty good. So if you are able to stretch your budget , you might get the A2030 for close to $700. Their website says that it's price is $900, however if you call / chat with them you'll be able to get a much lower price. Since 2030 is more than 2 years they might give a good deal on it to get rid of their old inventory.
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Before U pull the trigger with AC4L, make sure to get written conformation for:
a. What is the warranty, parts and labor?
b. If any issues who to contact?
c. If the unit needs to be sent in warranty repair to a service center who/where?
d. Who pays the freight to/from the service center?
e. What is the return period for full credit?

Too many times these conditions become hazy when buying a refurb and it becomes a hassle to settle....
Also be sure to double-check with ur credit card company, as some times they provide extended warranty coverage.

Just my $0.02...
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I assume that the quoted price for RX-A2000 is from AC4L for a refurbished unit. Take a look at RX-A2030 from WorldWide Stereo. When I was shopping for an AVR , I got a pretty good price around $700 to $800 for RX-A2030 from them. RX-A2030 has the sub eq and ESS Sabre DAC's. The sound quality is pretty good. So if you are able to stretch your budget , you might get the A2030 for close to $700. Their website says that it's price is $900, however if you call / chat with them you'll be able to get a much lower price. Since 2030 is more than 2 years they might give a good deal on it to get rid of their old inventory.
This is great advise, thanks! I might get the a2030 if I can get it for 700. As far as I am concerned the real upgrade above the a2000 is the a2050 as it gets you Bluetooth and hdcp 2.2. I think the improvements in the intermediate models are minor increments.

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Before U pull the trigger with AC4L, make sure to get written conformation for:
a. What is the warranty, parts and labor?
b. If any issues who to contact?
c. If the unit needs to be sent in warranty repair to a service center who/where?
d. Who pays the freight to/from the service center?
e. What is the return period for full credit?

Too many times these conditions become hazy when buying a refurb and it becomes a hassle to settle....
Also be sure to double-check with ur credit card company, as some times they provide extended warranty coverage.

Just my $0.02...
There is a document on the Yamaha website that covers all these questions.
The cc company will get you an additional year when you call them and register your purchase. So if I get the refurb i can get up to 2 yrs of free protection.

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There is a document on the Yamaha website that covers all these questions.
The cc company will get you an additional year when you call them and register your purchase. So if I get the refurb i can get up to 2 yrs of free protection.

The document on the Yamaha site for refurbished warranty covers point a..
But we failed to find any mention for points b, c, d, & e...

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The document on the Yamaha site for refurbished warranty covers point a..
But we failed to find any mention for points b, c, d, & e...

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This is the doc I was referring to: http://usa.yamaha.com/support/warran...STOCK_2013.pdf

It doesn't cover question e, but I thought it covers the rest. Thanks for bringing up those points.

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Guys, I just noticed that wireless and Bluetooth are not built into the vsx80. You need to buy an adaptor to avail those features. you need to read very carefully to figure that out. Some pretty clever marketing by pioneer.

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