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OK, I get it now,, I have been using my iPad APP almost entirely for the amp control. It has the ability to switch from Straight to Surround, but only the REMOTE will allow you to step through all the Dolby formats.. When I select Surround on the iPad, it does show up as "SYMBOL" Dolby Surround on the TV screen... I have a 7.3.4, Seven Main speakers, 3 Sub Woofers and 4 Ceiling mounted presence speakers. Rear Presents are powered by a stand alone amplifier... I use two Test movies to demo my system... Expendable III has a Dolby Atmos demo at the beginning,, and at the end of Avatar they have a very neat 5.1 demo of THX that I up-convert using surround on the 3050.. If you have Avatar on Blu-Ray you may have missed the THX demo, it comes up right after the end of the credits... Impressive THX demo!!! I can do a video of it if anyone wants to see it..
You can get the THX demo "Amazing Life" here...

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Got a response back today in regards to the dtsx and hdmi 2.0a upgrade.


Thanks for your email,

The new firmware should be out in the next day of two.

Enjoy.

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Oh man, some people will jump on you and hammer your head if it is not released in the next day or two!

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I was actually told the update was available to me (yes I'm special) as early as last week,
I declined and told them, "no thanks", I'll wait for the official release
and let someone like Movie78 beta test it for bugs and watch it brick his AVR for being the first in line.

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Just to know :
Why guys are you using DSU instead of Yamaha DSP's (adventure, sci-fi for ex)?
I find DSP way more efficient, especially with HD3
I speak for non-atmos content.
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Just to know :
Why guys are you using DSU instead of Yamaha DSP's (adventure, sci-fi for ex)?
I find DSP way more efficient, especially with HD3
I speak for non-atmos content.
I agree, but first time I got in contact with the DSP movie programs, I was a bit surprised about the audible use of reverb in order to create the immersive effect.
I'm coming from a Denon X7200 including Auro-3D and their upmixer Auro-Matic use a similar upmixing method, but with less audible reverb.
So I tried all movie DSP programs and sticked with "Adventure" which is the one, serving best in my room. Thanks to the possible tweaks within the DSP's, I got it managed to have quite the efficency, but with less audible reverb (playing with the parameters... reducing room size, decay, DSP strenghts). So I even apply "Adventure" to a Dolby Atmos soundtrack, if it is only about effects and not general ambient immersion (like a lot of them).

"Adventure" gives me just a consistent way of enhancing the listening experience into more immersion.
At the beginning, I was often switching to DSU, but in most of the times, that immersion effect was erratic and often too less powerful - there is simply an option missing in order to adjust the strenght of upmixing. Only in very rich enhanced soundtracks with a lot outer phase sounds, the DSU is serving good enough.

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I started my research for a new AVR looking for bluetooth capabilities to stream Spotify from my iPhone.

Now I've become obsessed with future proof-itis... 4K, HDMI 2.x, ATMOS, DTS X...

I'm learning more about ATMOS/DTSX and believe I would like to add these features... but I'm having trouble deciding on 5.1.2 vs 5.1.4.

Anyway my questions is... regarding ATMOS... with an external amp can the RX-A1050 do 5.1.4? or is it necessary to go to the RX-A2050 for 5.1.4?

I believe the Marantz SR6010 will allow me to do 5.1.4 with an external amp.

Which way would you go? I would be using the AVR for music and movies.

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Can somebody please tell me, if I only plan on using a 7.1 setup, is there any reason I should still consider the more-expensive RX-A2050? For the time being I don't see myself using a 9.1 setup, so what other things does the 2050 do better than the 1050?

Should I just get the 1050? Will it have the same sound quality, sonic drive, and video upscaling, etc?
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I started my research for a new AVR looking for bluetooth capabilities to stream Spotify from my iPhone.

Now I've become obsessed with future proof-itis... 4K, HDMI 2.x, ATMOS, DTS X...

I'm learning more about ATMOS/DTSX and believe I would like to add these features... but I'm having trouble deciding on 5.1.2 vs 5.1.4.

Anyway my questions is... regarding ATMOS... with an external amp can the RX-A1050 do 5.1.4? or is it necessary to go to the RX-A2050 for 5.1.4?

I believe the Marantz SR6010 will allow me to do 5.1.4 with an external amp.

Which way would you go? I would be using the AVR for music and movies.


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I would choose 5.1.4 over 5.1.2 all day long,
even over 7.1.2


The RX-A1050 has 7 channel processing and 7 internal amps (5.1.2 or 7.1)
The RX-A2050 has 9 channel processing and 9 internal amps (5.1.4 or 7.1.2)

Adding additional external amps cannot increase the number of channels processed
So no, you can't increase your channel count. You can add external amps to power additional zones
...or to replace internal amps for higher output levels, but that is all.

Only the RX-A3050 (with 9 internal amps) can process up to 11 channels
So you can expand 7.1.2 to 7.1.4 with an additional 2 amplified channels.

The amp assignments let you choose to add external amps to power:
The the two extra height speakers, The two front towers or All four* height speakers
...* if you have a 4 channel amp or old AVR with Multi-channel inputs
while the 3050 does the 7 bed layer channels only (That's what I have done)

7ch+FP+RP in the Amp Assignment menu
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Can somebody please tell me, if I only plan on using a 7.1 setup, is there any reason I should still consider the more-expensive RX-A2050? For the time being I don't see myself using a 9.1 setup, so what other things does the 2050 do better than the 1050?

Should I just get the 1050? Will it have the same sound quality, sonic drive, and video upscaling, etc?
in a nut shell, the 1050 is good for 5.1.2 atmos or 7.1 non-atmos
The 2050 adds two channels so can do 5.1.4 or 7.1.2 atmos or 9.1 non atmos with front presence
or 7.1 in main zone and power another zone with 2.1, or 5.1 main and power two additional zones..etc

I typically buy more than I think I'll need/use at the time,
an extra $400 is relatively small over the course of the life expectancy of AVR's in my home
($50/year for an upgrade)

I also ALWAYS go to the manufacturers websites first and download a pdf of the manuals
before making a decision or posting hundreds of questions on the forums without any research.
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Can the 2050 do 9.2.4/9.1.4 with an external amp? Or are nine channels the maximum it can process?

EDIT: Man, I'm a bozo. Just a few posts above said that the 3050 can only handle up to 11 channels. So not even that can handle 13 channels. Anyone know of a receiver that can?
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Can the 2050 do 9.2.4/9.1.4 with an external amp? Or are nine channels the maximum it can process?

EDIT: Man, I'm a bozo. Just a few posts above said that the 3050 can only handle up to 11 channels. So not even that can handle 13 channels. Anyone know of a receiver that can?
Nothing under $10K USD can do more than 11CH processing. Also as previously noted, the A2050 is capped at maximum of it's 9 on board amps. No expansion possible.
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Can somebody please tell me, if I only plan on using a 7.1 setup, is there any reason I should still consider the more-expensive RX-A2050? For the time being I don't see myself using a 9.1 setup, so what other things does the 2050 do better than the 1050?

Should I just get the 1050? Will it have the same sound quality, sonic drive, and video upscaling, etc?
A2050 vs. A1050

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Next Day of Two. Not Next Day or Two.

They randomly pick two days and it will be available on the first one.
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Just to know :
Why guys are you using DSU instead of Yamaha DSP's (adventure, sci-fi for ex)?
I find DSP way more efficient, especially with HD3
I speak for non-atmos content.
You are correct, I use both just depends on what I am watching!!!
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I have 2 questions about my 2050,I ran ypao after adding external amps and it measures distances correctly except rear spks are off by 5 ft,I just manually adjusted that to correct distance,anyone else adjust the distance? Also on the video should I select processing or none,my projector is only 1080p thxs
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I have 2 questions about my 2050,I ran ypao after adding external amps and it measures distances correctly except rear spks are off by 5 ft,I just manually adjusted that to correct distance,anyone else adjust the distance? Also on the video should I select processing or none,my projector is only 1080p thxs
The only YPAO tweaks I make are setting all speakers to small
Crossovers to 80Hz and bump the subs up 5dB-10dB
Then check all other speaker levels with an SPL meter.

Ditsance adjustments would throw off the delays required for proper sound fields
So I leave those alone, especially for my subs that are off by about 5 feet.

The YPAO makes the required delay adjustments based on your room responce, not a measuring tape.


Always leave video processing off
Plasma TV and Projector do both just fine with pass-through.

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I have 2 questions about my 2050,I ran ypao after adding external amps and it measures distances correctly except rear spks are off by 5 ft,I just manually adjusted that to correct distance,anyone else adjust the distance? Also on the video should I select processing or none,my projector is only 1080p thxs
Since the 'distance' values are really nothing more than the necessary timing delays needed to get all of the sound from the various channels to arrive at the MLP at the same time (converted to distance based on the speed of sound), I'd leave them as YPAO sets them.

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If you spent a lot of money on mains and center because of how low they can play you have made a mistake. Most people buy speakers because they like the way they sound overall. The only reason to run them full range is if you dont have a sub. Assuming you have a competent sub and you have done a good job of setting up your system then mains shouldnt be run full range.
If you want to run them full range because you spent a lot of money and youre proud of them and feel like thats the only way you can get your moneys worth then thats up to you. Most people with a nice system spend at least as much on subs as mains and center anyway.

I am actually a big fan of the way a system sounds with all speakers set to large, and then turning on the 'Extra Bass' mode, using the crossover knob on the sub to fine tune the low range I want it to enhance. When there's only one sub in the mix, having all the speakers create the bass they can really creates for a very even bass output and sounds incredibly rich and full when done right. Then the sub is there for the deepest lows and movie impact. I find there's something lacking when sending all 80 Hz and below to the sub only, sort of makes everything else sound a bit thin.

That being said though, the argument was in regards to if all amps can be used to effectively power all full range speakers. In my situation, using all Klipsch speakers in a 5.1.4 configuration on the 2050, it performs beautiful and runs loud. So it can still be done with efficient speakers and with volumes that won't cause instant ear damage.
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Since the 'distance' values are really nothing more than the necessary timing delays needed to get all of the sound from the various channels to arrive at the MLP at the same time (converted to distance based on the speed of sound), I'd leave them as YPAO sets them.
It's not always correct though.

I've been using YPAO and I almost always have to fine tune it afterwards using my Omnimic measurement system to get the timing totally spot on.

Since swapping out the 3050 for the 5100, I've got it all manually tuned and with the best results ever. And that's too bad cuz the 5100 is supposed to benefit in some way from something-something 64bit blah blah blah.
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Thxs everyone,I like back surround spks and have always bump up the level on them with all the avrs I've owned,I watched In the Heart of the Sea,good movie,the atmos was great felt like the whale was splashing water on me,but the rears didn't add much to the sound could have just been the movie,I'll play around with my system again
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It's not always correct though.

I've been using YPAO and I almost always have to fine tune it afterwards using my Omnimic measurement system to get the timing totally spot on.

Since swapping out the 3050 for the 5100, I've got it all manually tuned and with the best results ever. And that's too bad cuz the 5100 is supposed to benefit in some way from something-something 64bit blah blah blah.
Well, I'm quite happy with my 5100's YPAO settings and the results.

Just curious, how do you know for sure that your Omnimic measurement system is correct and not YPAO on the delays? How can one actually confirm that?

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Maybe my memory is faulty, but I seem to remember a poster (film-mixer) who talked about having a beta of the DTS:X upgrade that he was using on a Yamaha. It was some time ago...but I'm not sure which thread. It sounded like the upgrade was just around the corner to being released...some time ago.

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Filmixer is liar,I PM him to let me know about his testing a while ago and never back from him.
It was me....

We do have a CX-A5100 at work that has had DTS:X beta FW for a while...

We did the DTS:X mixes for "Daddy's Home" and "The Big Short....." and the CX was brought in by DTS to check BR-R's... I think this was back in mid-January..

I still, to this day, haven't been able to get in use it.. because the room is constantly working (not my stage, so I'm rarely in there...)

At the time I had been told the FW had been certified by DTS (by DTS..) and it's release was "very close..."

I'm the first one who reported many of the bugs found with the 7200's DTS FW... and I now know the bugs have been confirmed and worked (working) on by DTS (center distortion, etc...)

Did this have anything to do with the FW being delayed? Don't know....

So happy if it is indeed coming out for you guys imminently..

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I don't see a PM from you in my 1000+ in box.. also checked my out box.. no go..

If I missed a PM, sorry... I was in the process of organizing a tour of our studio (40+ AVS members) at the time and might have accidentally deleted it in the flurry of PM activity ..

In the future if you are waiting for a reply, you can always resend a PM..

But after your comment, please don't bother sending any more to me.. they will go unanswered for sure.
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Well, I'm quite happy with my 5100's YPAO settings and the results.

Just curious, how do you know for sure that your Omnimic measurement system is correct and not YPAO on the delays? How can one actually confirm that?
I use the 5.1 dvd from Omnimic with it's test tones. There is a set of tones for adjusting delay from speaker to speaker. Omnimic has an impulse response graph. When it's "off" you can see two distinct spikes in the impulse response. That is not good. You want one solid spike. So last time I had been using YPAO, it wasn't getting everything right. It got close but I had to fine-tune manually which every tech savvy HT enthusiast should be doing anyway.
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I use the 5.1 dvd from Omnimic with it's test tones. There is a set of tones for adjusting delay from speaker to speaker. Omnimic has an impulse response graph. When it's "off" you can see two distinct spikes in the impulse response. That is not good. You want one solid spike. So last time I had been using YPAO, it wasn't getting everything right. It got close but I had to fine-tune manually which every tech savvy HT enthusiast should be doing anyway.
Thanks for the description of the Omnimic process. I was not familiar with it.

As a lazy HT enthusiast, I'm just happy to accept what YPAO dishes out and enjoy the music/movies.

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How long after the lower end is announced until the announcement for the Aventage X060 series?

Yamaha Announces Four New RX-V 81 Series Receivers

Looks like they all have DTS:X and the first one will be on sale in April, so if I were an X050 owner I would expect my firmware by the day that one ships.
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Thxs everyone,I like back surround spks and have always bump up the level on them with all the avrs I've owned,I watched In the Heart of the Sea,good movie,the atmos was great felt like the whale was splashing water on me,but the rears didn't add much to the sound could have just been the movie,I'll play around with my system again
Could be the movie. I'm not sure. Haven't seen it yet.

I also like my rears bumped up about 1dB over the rest.

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Thanks for the description of the Omnimic process. I was not familiar with it.

As a lazy HT enthusiast, I'm just happy to accept what YPAO dishes out and enjoy the music/movies.
Hey, if it works and sounds good to you then who am I to argue?



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How long after the lower end is announced until the announcement for the Aventage X060 series?

Yamaha Announces Four New RX-V 81 Series Receivers

Looks like they all have DTS:X and the first one will be on sale in April, so if I were an X050 owner I would expect my firmware by the day that one ships.
Probably in a few months. The upper end stuff usually comes out in the mid-late summer and it's almost April so you'll probably hear something in the next 2-3 months.

I don't expect any real changes again. Just DTS:X and HDR capability out of the box.
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How long after the lower end is announced until the announcement for the Aventage X060 series?

Yamaha Announces Four New RX-V 81 Series Receivers

Looks like they all have DTS:X and the first one will be on sale in April, so if I were an X050 owner I would expect my firmware by the day that one ships.
Only the 481 is released in April,
...and is the only one without Atmos/DTS:X capability
The entry level unit is only 5.1

The rest of the x81 series release is May or June.

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Audio Input reassignment from HDMI

Is it possible to mix audio and video from 2 different HDMI sources?
I use RX-A1000 and assigning presence speakers to a zone allows me to listen to Pandora while watching something else, but this seems super cumbersome to me.
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