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post #151 of 7253 Old 10-01-2015, 03:37 PM
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Your concern about this is starting to make me think you have something different going on because you are so concerned. Why don't you film a small video clip taking your recording device from left to front to right and on top. Also standing about 1 ft away because any further and the mic will probably not pick up sound. Send the video to me or post on YouTube. I will listen to it and tell you if it's normal. The sound I get is a very faint sound like air being circulated almost of the verge of being humm. It is not a buzz and or something I can clearly hear more than a ft away.
I had my receiver on this morning and had to virtually place my head on top of the box to hear any humming.

I did indeed hear a little faint hum. In that I do not listen to it that way for the most part, it does not and will not bother me.
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I should be clear, it sounds like a buzz if I put my ear on the unit. The sound is obviously a vibration through the casing. With my ear right above it, it sounds like a quiet operating fan like you would hear in a PC, not a buzz. I just never heard sound from a receiver before, and that's why I was concerned. I don't think it's a malfunction, just a normal operating feature of a high-wattage receiver. The fact that I heard it on two units and others are hearing the same fan noise, I am not concerned.
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If all the units are experiencing this sound, it must be from the fan. It's more like a buzz and it seems to be tied to the fan. When I feel the fan start up, it gets slightly louder. It's still only audible if you're standing right next to it. I can confirm its the same sound as what other owners are hearing because this is my second sc-95, and the sound is identical. Hmmm, not sure what to do about this, still within best buys return window.
I would return it. Apparently Pioneer went cheap and is using a small fan which in turn spins faster to move any air around. I have Noctua fans in my servers that are almost dead silent when running idle. An electronic device that is supposed to produce clarity sound has a hum/buzz noise coming from it? Trust me, you'll start to hear it more and more and once that fan gets a little dust on it, which they ALL DO it will be even louder. Bad move Pioneer. Looks like they couldn't make a receiver with passive cooling. I thought these D3 amps were supposed to run cooler anyway? Bad design in my opinion.
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I would return it. Apparently Pioneer went cheap and is using a small fan which in turn spins faster to move any air around. I have Noctua fans in my servers that are almost dead silent when running idle. An electronic device that is supposed to produce clarity sound has a hum/buzz noise coming from it? Trust me, you'll start to hear it more and more and once that fan gets a little dust on it, which they ALL DO it will be even louder. Bad move Pioneer. Looks like they couldn't make a receiver with passive cooling. I thought these D3 amps were supposed to run cooler anyway? Bad design in my opinion.
How would you hear that fan if you have music blasting? Just curious. Sounds like a non issue

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How would you hear that fan if you have music blasting? Just curious. Sounds like a non issue

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It definitely will be an issue when a little dust gets in the fan and it starts to be audible all the time. That will be the last thing you want to happen. Disconnect the fan, over heating issue. Think ahead a little. Trust me, it will happen. Do you actually think they put a quality fan in there? It is a cheap chinese made fan, not like a Noctua.
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Pioneer has used the same basic chassis & amp section in these receivers since the SC-5x series came out in 2011. The fan is large and low speed. I sit about nine feet away from mine (first a 57, then an 89) and I have never heard it even when alone and the music is between tracks. The 57 ran for four years in a cat-filled house. Dust was never an issue.

The fan in the Tivo that sits on top of it makes much more noise, but the room has to be dead silent for me to notice it.

As someone who's owned two of this generation of Pioneer's receivers for nearly five years now, I can definitively say when things are working properly fan noise is not an issue over the short, medium, or long term.
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Is this the fan (it looks pretty small)

Here is a chassis photo of what I think is the SC-LX89. The round opening on the lower left side is vented through the chassis skin. If this is the fan, it appears to be small (power supply fan?)

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I'm trying to get into the "Home" menu and i get a note that says"Receiving Auto Control Signal Now."
Then it just goes back to the video image...
I've been all through the manual and can't seem to figure this one out.
What am i doing wrong?
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Are these new SC-95/97/99 made in Japan ?

I was so happy without HDR...
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Are these new SC-95/97/99 made in Japan ?
LOL, I see you are trying to decide between the Elite and the Yamaha as well.
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LOL, I see you are trying to decide between the Elite and the Yamaha as well.

That's right. Spending 2Gs on a Chinese receiver is a bit scary.

I was so happy without HDR...
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That's right. Spending 2Gs on a Chinese receiver is a bit scary.

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Pioneer has used the same basic chassis & amp section in these receivers since the SC-5x series came out in 2011. The fan is large and low speed. I sit about nine feet away from mine (first a 57, then an 89) and I have never heard it even when alone and the music is between tracks. The 57 ran for four years in a cat-filled house. Dust was never an issue.

The fan in the Tivo that sits on top of it makes much more noise, but the room has to be dead silent for me to notice it.

As someone who's owned two of this generation of Pioneer's receivers for nearly five years now, I can definitively say when things are working properly fan noise is not an issue over the short, medium, or long term.
I'll add more to your list my old SC-35 also had a small fan on left of chassis. I had no issue with it. My current SC-67 also has the exact same thing and thus far no issues.
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Hi All:

I've had my SC-057 die for a second time recently (got it late 2011) - not the UE22, but it's still in the shop getting diagnosed.

Does anyone have reliability concerns with Pioneer AVRs? Or are they no worse than any other brand - it's just a crap shoot whether you get a lemon or problematic unit?

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Better picture of fan

Found is a picture from an SC-LX88 that shows the fan in detail. In the picture the fan is 60mm (25mm thick), 12v, 3000 RPM, ~22.5 dBA, with a speed alarm. I suspect the current models are similar.

A lot more internal photos athttp://www.areadvd.de/tests/preview-...r-extraklasse/

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Found is a picture from an SC-LX88 that shows the fan in detail. In the picture the fan is 60mm (25mm thick), 12v, 3000 RPM, ~22.5 dBA, with a speed alarm. I suspect the current models are similar.

A lot more internal photos athttp://www.areadvd.de/tests/preview-...r-extraklasse/

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Is that small? Large? Just the right size?
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It doesn't turn very fast when I've checked it, and is a lot bigger than what I normally see in consumer devices nowadays. It's actually pretty clever when I think about it. The fan only turns quickly when it's working hard, and it's only working hard when things are loud, so you'll never hear it no matter what. It will, of course, drive some folks crazy just thinking about it. I'm not one of those people.

Enjoy yours.
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It doesn't turn very fast when I've checked it, and is a lot bigger than what I normally see in consumer devices nowadays. It's actually pretty clever when I think about it. The fan only turns quickly when it's working hard, and it's only working hard when things are loud, so you'll never hear it no matter what. It will, of course, drive some folks crazy just thinking about it. I'm not one of those people.

Enjoy yours.

I agree, this is a non issue. Nit picking
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That's right. Spending 2Gs on a Chinese receiver is a bit scary.
Yeah, I keep going back and forth between the two.
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Firmware update for the entire Elite line for HDMI 2.0a and better communication with iOS9 have just been released. You can download them through the receiver.

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Any availability on these online yet?
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The firmware should be available already. I did the download last night through my SC95 review unit.
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2. Pioneer lists the SC-95 as 760W( for 8 ohms) total. Does that mean that max power output is about 84.44 watts when all 9 channels are driven in 8 ohms?
a. would this be enough power to drive all the speakers (Center Channel CS2, Surrounds & Back Surrounds Polk TS110, Ceiling Speakers Polk MC80)

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i'm struggling with this as well. it seems pioneer is being intentionally deceptive with the power ratings on these new units. i have a vsx-94thx which has a very clean and very clearly indicated 140W per channel at 8 ohms for 7 channels. what is the equivalent rating for the sc-95 or 97? cannot find it anywhere. my math conclusion is the same as shyyour, which is it has 84W per channel @9 channels and 108.5W @7 channels. this seems amazingly low for such a high priced receiver, and if its accurate i'm beginning to doubt the ability of these units to drive quality speakers...

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The most accurate guess for amplifier output on the receiver is: you look at the maximum power rating divided by the number of channels and in this class because of this is Class-D, reduce that number by 20%
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If a receiver is class AB, then deduct that averaged power by 50%
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i'm struggling with this as well. it seems pioneer is being intentionally deceptive with the power ratings on these new units. i have a vsx-94thx which has a very clean and very clearly indicated 140W per channel at 8 ohms for 7 channels. what is the equivalent rating for the sc-95 or 97? cannot find it anywhere. my math conclusion is the same as shyyour, which is it has 84W per channel @9 channels and 108.5W @7 channels. this seems amazingly low for such a high priced receiver, and if its accurate i'm beginning to doubt the ability of these units to drive quality speakers...

It's one of the reasons why i haven't pulled the trigger on the SC-95. I plan to use all channels at once and if i now go by David Susilo's calculation thats about 67 mere watts per channel (all 9 channels driven). That seems very disappointing.

Is that normal for a receiver at this price point?
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I have the 95 and I've never had so much trouble setting up wifi on any device...
I finally got it connected (at least I think I did.) however every time I attempt to update the software it say "network error."
I did hard wire it and attempted to update it said I was current, so that's good.
Then I tried again wirelessly and got "network error" once again.
Anyone have any tips on making this work?
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I have the 95 and I've never had so much trouble setting up wifi on any device...
I finally got it connected (at least I think I did.) however every time I attempt to update the software it say "network error."
I did hard wire it and attempted to update it said I was current, so that's good.
Then I tried again wirelessly and got "network error" once again.
Anyone have any tips on making this work?
Might sound stupid but have you tried restarting your router?
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