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Marantz AV8805 Speculation Thread

Presuming that the two year launch cycle holds for Marantz, we are just a year away from a brand new processor!!!

Given the 8802 is performing well (meaning, the owners thread is relatively boring), why not have a convenient place for idle and baseless musings about the next iteration of the mid-tier flagship...

I'll start: (in no particular order of importance)

1) integrated high-quality USB DAC
2) expanded channel output (13.x vs 11.x)
3) elimination of most analog IO
4) Dirac replaces Audyssey
5) higher native processing (96kHz instead of 48)
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I would expect 6 ceiling speakers. As much as I would love to see Dirac, I don't think D&M will leave the Audyssey camp. I am sure they get volume license discounts across their entire line of receivers, so sadly Audyssey will stay. Also, there are a lot of Audyssey fans out there that would probably get upset at removing it.
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I would expect 6 ceiling speakers. As much as I would love to see Dirac, I don't think D&M will leave the Audyssey camp. I am sure they get volume license discounts across their entire line of receivers, so sadly Audyssey will stay. Also, there are a lot of Audyssey fans out there that would probably get upset at removing it.
Yes, two more channels, whether additional elevation or wides...

My thoughts on Audyssey is the company and technology seem stagnant...the most we've seen from the over the past 4-5 years is an app optimized for different headphones on your iPhone.

D&M I'm sure must be evaluating Audyssey's viability, especially since they've been dropped by everyone else in the space.

Conversely, Dirac has been working at expanding their partnerships and technology, and they seem at the early end of the bell curve.

Unless D&M simply buys Audyssey to make it their house solution...

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Presuming that the two year launch cycle holds for Marantz, we are just a year away from a brand new processor!!!

Given the 8802 is performing well (meaning, the owners thread is relatively boring), why not have a convenient place for idle and baseless musings about the next iteration of the mid-tier flagship...

I'll start: (in no particular order of importance)

1) integrated high-quality USB DAC
2) expanded channel output (13.x vs 11.x)
3) elimination of most analog IO
4) Dirac replaces Audyssey
5) higher native processing (96kHz instead of 48)

That's what I'm waiting for. I have 11.2 channels now ( using DTS NEO:X ). I'd like to be able to add 2 ceiling speakers.

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Hi,

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2) expanded channel output (13.x and 15.x even better vs 11.x)
4) Dirac replaces Audyssey
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The way I'd like to see the evolution.

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Only # 4,5 have any interest for me! A new Audyssey suit (more flexibility, as its a really good DRC system) would be preferable but as it stands they could easily get 3 year cycle out of the 8802.
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Only # 4,5 have any interest for me! A new Audyssey suit (more flexibility, as its a really good DRC system) would be preferable but as it stands they could easily get 3 year cycle out of the 8802.
Yes it could expand to three years, but it seems they've historically worked on a two year cycle...

I think Dirac is getting lots of positive feedback, even from old time Audyssey fans...moving to that may gain more attention than anything else in my list, and I think you'd gain some flexibility to boot...

I wouldn't mind Room Perfect either, but I think that's even more processor intensive than Dirac.
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1. Do we need to have an AV8802A (be an owner) to post in this thread? ;-)
2. Can we use humor once in a while? ..."Musing" ...it's an amusing word.

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Ok (AV8803G*):

1. DTS:X
2. Audyssey needs to evolve...if not, time soon to contemplate other/better room EQ systems?
3. All the analog video composite jacks...get rid of them.
4. All the component video jacks...get rid of them.
5. Blu-rays are 7.1.4 (encoded) --- but the next AV8803G* would be able to expand that to 9.1.4 (7.1.6 variation). ...Adding the Front Width, or two more Sides (or overheads).

* "G" stands for Gold ... would be nice to have a Gold color model available here...all across the globe.

♦ Number 5: I am ready for some "musings" (further comments).

<<<>>> Disclosure: I am not an owner of the Marantz AV8802A pre/pro, and neither of the AV7702MKII ... just not yet ... I am still working on that, ...
so this thread is welcome, very.
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Yes it could expand to three years, but it seems they've historically worked on a two year cycle...

I think Dirac is getting lots of positive feedback, even from old time Audyssey fans...moving to that may gain more attention than anything else in my list, and I think you'd gain some flexibility to boot...

I wouldn't mind Room Perfect either, but I think that's even more processor intensive than Dirac.
That may be the rub! They go to great lengths trying to simplify things these days and while some more technically oriented may prefer Room Perfect or Dirac (self included) I believe the after market and better pricing on outboard units will be the defacto standard for a while but who knows! My crystal ball may need a firmware update
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as it stands they could easily get 3 year cycle out of the 8802.
exactly

In the end I feel Audyssey will produce a superior product (when that happens)
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exactly

In the end I feel Audyssey will produce a superior product (when that happens)
I hope, but they have been completely stagnant for a number of years...even something as simple as more selectable target curves has never happened...
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Is Audyssey vs Dirac like Microsoft vs Apple where Apple makes a better machine but Microsoft has market share?

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Chris Kyriakakis was observed to post the following on Facebook several months ago.
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I can say that we are working on something very cool for 2016 release. It will make hard core Audyssey fans happy. And, no, we are not leaving the room correction business.
Speculate away.
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That ^ is very confident to read.

But! Will it be inside the AV8803?
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How about a full color display under the drop down door, maybe with some touch-sensitive buttons? The current one is adequate for seeing what is going on inside, but is rather boring. They should probably keep the circular display at the top largely as-is for brand recognition reasons and so it remains non-distracting in a darkened theater.
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I would also with the above I mentioned! one in silver
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if no new listening modes come out......what improvements could be done "just" to improve sound quality?

not neccissarily a 8803 speculation, but seemed a decent place to ask this question

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if no new listening modes come out......what improvements could be done "just" to improve sound quality?

not neccissarily a 8803 speculation, but seemed a decent place to ask this question
Good question. Regardless of the challenge to do that, there will no doubt be those who buy one and confidently report a significant improvement.
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if no new listening modes come out......what improvements could be done "just" to improve sound quality?

not neccissarily a 8803 speculation, but seemed a decent place to ask this question
See speculations 4 & 5 in the first post. These theoretically could improve overall sound quality, along with improved components and engineering. Adding more output channels would be a sonic benefit for some, (albeit a few), as more and more object oriented soundtracks are released.
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Is Audyssey vs Dirac like Microsoft vs Apple where Apple makes a better machine but Microsoft has market share?
Depending upon the product category, Apple does both already.

Audyssey owned the market, but they have stagnated for years, and a company like Dirac (for better or worse) seems to be filling the void. Only D&M uses their technology in home at this point.

Room correction is a technology product, and I don't know of many technology products that remain unchanged for several years and still remain viable. Processing power, and thus potential RC improvements, increase; algorithms and code can always be improved, new speaker locations and rendering technologies need to be considered, new features could be added, etc...

In principal, this issue could apply to Lyngdorf's Room Perfect as well, though in my experience between the two, there is significant lead that RP maintains. It already demands much more processing power, offers more innovative ways to measure a room and multiple/addressable listening positions, and offers more flexibility for playback and target curves.

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I currently have a 7702. My only wish is for more channels. Currently I have a 9.2.4 setup. The 9 being cobbled together with miniDSP's. I would like to have all discrete channels with a VOG. I know, I've probably been watching too much sci-fi.

Immersive sound formats are fantastic and I'll never go back. If the 8803 comes out with more channels I will upgrade and vote with my pocket book. But, not adding more channels is a deal breaker for me--my $$$$$.02 worth.
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Conversations at CEDIA this year revealed that the 2016 successors to the 8802 and Denon 7200 will be 9.1.4 capable. These two models have identical DSP hardware.

Don't expect 9.1.6 from D&M in 2016.

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Conversations at CEDIA this year revealed that the 2016 successors to the 8802 and Denon 7200 will be 9.1.4 capable. These two models have identical DSP hardware.

Don't expect 9.1.6 from D&M in 2016.
Conversation with whom? D&M reps? I'd be quite surprised they would be taking anything like we are in this thread.

If not 9.1.6, what major differentiators may have been mentioned?
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Isn't the 8802A/mkII part of the release cycle?
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Isn't the 8802A/mkII part of the release cycle?
There is no mkii. The A version simply was finishing up the HDMI bit that wasn't ready in time for initial launch.
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Conversations at CEDIA this year revealed that the 2016 successors to the 8802 and Denon 7200 will be 9.1.4 capable. These two models have identical DSP hardware.

Don't expect 9.1.6 from D&M in 2016.
My wife will be upset if I put another (2) JBL 4722s in the room. I was really hoping for ceiling speaker expansion.
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Conversation with whom? D&M reps? I'd be quite surprised they would be taking anything like we are in this thread.

If not 9.1.6, what major differentiators may have been mentioned?
Yes, D&M reps.

9.1.4 will be the major differentiation for the next release.

I found them pretty forthcoming with info, just needed to ask them the right questions. At the moment they do not see that there is enough demand for 9.1.6 beyond a few enthusiasts. It pretty much sounded like the development and engineering costs to goto 16 channels would require significant work.

I don't believe everything I hear but this was the message coming form D&M.

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Yes, D&M reps.

9.1.4 will be the major differentiation for the next release.
I could live with that and be very happy.
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