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Does anyone know this stat? power with all 11 channels driven?...thanks
This stat is rarely if ever published by AVR manufacturers these days...not wanting to reveal product weaknesses...all part of the marketing game. The most likely source of this info would be from independent testing. And the most "comprehensive" source/reviews I've seen has been from German publications. Most recently, @PRO-630HD referenced them in post #1839 above. Although I've not translated them, perhaps they contain the info you're looking for.

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This stat is rarely if ever published by AVR manufacturers these days...not wanting to reveal product weaknesses...all part of the marketing game. The most likely source of this info would be from independent testing. And the most "comprehensive" source/reviews I've seen has been from German publications. Most recently, @PRO-630HD referenced them in post #1839 above. Although I've not translated them, perhaps they contain the info you're looking for.
a quote from the article...The Onkyo's digital amplifiers boosted a total of about 1,100 watts in 7.1-operation (4 ohms), while in stereo mode, the power even climbed from 139 to a generous 278 watts per channel. As a result, the TX-RZ3100 clearly outshines the power of its predecessor TX-NR3030 and is roughly at the same level as the digital amplifiers in the Pioneer SC-LX89 top-of-the-range receiver (test in 1-2016).


thanks for the link...I posed the question to Onkyo and their response is that they don't have that information and that it's best to separate the processor from the power amp. I have mine connected to a Sunfire power amp but the sound is shrill with my Klipsch RF-7II's...was thinking of reconnecting the fronts and centers to the 3100 and did for a while, but have now switched those channels back to the power amp after hearing from Onkyo...thanks Gene...much appreciated..
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...would you mind sharing/explaining to the visitors here exactly what setup parameters you're referring to so others can benefit from your experience? Thanks in advance!

I was mostly talking about the double bass that redirects the R+L+center channel bass to subwoofer as I described on post #1828.

The thread talks a lot about Onkyo cheaping out on features (for example compared to Denon) and than requesting that the new devices have too much features.

On one question I have for owners, anyone else having problems with Wii component and the older nes/snes emuleted games? The resolution change doesn't seem to work as my Sony 2016 55xd8599 gets a stuck picture, I should probably do a request to Onkyo to get the issue fixed. Component input or connecting wii is a bit of problem nowdays
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a quote from the article...The Onkyo's digital amplifiers boosted a total of about 1,100 watts in 7.1-operation (4 ohms), while in stereo mode, the power even climbed from 139 to a generous 278 watts per channel. As a result, the TX-RZ3100 clearly outshines the power of its predecessor TX-NR3030 and is roughly at the same level as the digital amplifiers in the Pioneer SC-LX89 top-of-the-range receiver (test in 1-2016).


thanks for the link...I posed the question to Onkyo and their response is that they don't have that information and that it's best to separate the processor from the power amp. I have mine connected to a Sunfire power amp but the sound is shrill with my Klipsch RF-7II's...was thinking of reconnecting the fronts and centers to the 3100 and did for a while, but have now switched those channels back to the power amp after hearing from Onkyo...thanks Gene...much appreciated..
Power is not everything as everyone probably knows, but sound quality is. Unfortunately many Class D amps are of lesser quality (and quite cheap to manufacturer, just have a look at Ebay and Amazon offerings) although much more efficient as Class A/B types. This led to the general impression of "lower sound quality, reduced transparency and lesser micro dynamics" of many of those more or less "conventional" Class D amps. For this reason most AVRs are still providing Class A/B power amps in their "upper class" products.
Owners of the current line of Onkyo amps have already noticed (see comments in this thread) that the sound of those AVRs differ somewhat from prior Onkyo generations they had owned probably due to the Class D power amp section inherited from the acquired Pioneer subsidiary. The future (and experience) will ultimately tell, if this is good or bad for Onkyo, its products and corresponding image.

PS.: Not only published results but also the reputation of a magazine are of relevance for the judgement / results arrived at. Nowadays not many of those printed magazines are really "independent" of those suppliers / advertisers providing test samples free of charge, even sometimes free to keep (!) or paid for. Thus many potential buyers are quite hesitant in believing the results provided. The stated German magazine is (unfortunately) in the opinion of those no real exception...
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the receptor avr whit class D is the best ,first they amplification is différent to A/B. when you have class A/B the problem is when is play is comming very wharm and


he lose the power is not stay stable.


that why onkyo change for class D ,you put mutch power whit system A/B is give more heat ,whit the classD nothing change ,I see mutch difference whit my 3030 and


3100 ,the 3100 is less heat you turn the button whit my 3030 is comming more hot is normal my 3030 is A/B.


When I try 3100 wow very mutch difference ,the 3100 is cold ,my 3030 is more warm when I make the test .


I wait little bit and when the model 3100 have he firmware dolbyvision I buy for shur just anthem mrx 1120 equal 3100 ,they receptor avr 2016 the both model (onkyo tx-rz3100 and anthem mrx 1120 )is the


best .

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Nowadays not many of those printed magazines are really "independent" of those suppliers / advertisers providing test samples free of charge, even sometimes free to keep (!) or paid for.
Unfortunately, I have to agree that this is likely the reality in most cases...especially now that most printed media is starving for revenue.

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The pioneer 801, integra drx7 and onkyo rz1100 share same power supply as pioneer sc75,85,95.

Pioneer 901, integra r1 and onkyo rz3100 are just a tad better then other models but isn't close to older pioneer sc55, 57, 67, 68, 77, 79, 87,89, 97,99. The old pioneer 370 watt power draw is gone.

Big mistake. I'm a integra r1 and onkyo rz1100 owner.

Rz1100
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Two channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 124.8 watts
1% distortion at 184.2 watts

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 110.5 watts
1% distortion at 153.4 watts

Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 103.2 watts
1% distortion at 126.5 watts

Analog frequency response in Pure Audio mode:


Read more at https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...PQd11FH7ypo.99

Pioneer sc95
Test Bench
Two channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 132.4 watts
1% distortion at 159.0 watts

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 121.6 watts
1% distortion at 140.8 watts

Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 96.7 watts
1% distortion at 108.5 watts

Analog frequency response in Pure Direct mode:


Read more at https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...svdKooDjxoW.99

Pioneer sc89
Test Bench
Two channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 165.8 watts
1% distortion at 191.6 watts

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 138.0 watts
1% distortion at 158.2 watts

Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 114.6 watts
1% distortion at 129.9 watts

Analog frequency response in Analog Direct mode:


Read more at https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...Ar35s5Ahp1b.99
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Does RZ1100 play pure DSD through a media server or through the receiver's USB port? Does it do direct DSD to analog conversion or is DSD converted to PCM then to analog? What signal shows up on the receiver display when you are trying to play a DSD file (.dsf/.dff)?
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Does RZ1100 play pure DSD through a media server or through the receiver's USB port? Does it do direct DSD to analog conversion or is DSD converted to PCM then to analog? What signal shows up on the receiver display when you are trying to play a DSD file (.dsf/.dff)?
Since it appears that owners here are unable to address your question(s), perhaps posting at Onkyo's support forum will result in a helpful response.

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I will check up on dsd playback.
Another question though on the power rating specs, the onkyo RZ1100 specs say:
200 W/Ch (6 Ohms, 1 kHz, 0.9% THD, 1 Channel Driven, FTC)
140 W/Ch (8 Ohms, 1kHz, 0.08% THD, 2 Channels Driven, FTC)

My question is that are these onkyo specified power ratings peak power or RMS ratings?

To add to this, onkyo states an additional spec called dynamic power 160 W (8 Ohms, Front).

I want to know the RMS rating of this receiver at 8 ohms 2 channel driven.
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I will check up on dsd playback.
Another question though on the power rating specs, the onkyo RZ1100 specs say:
200 W/Ch (6 Ohms, 1 kHz, 0.9% THD, 1 Channel Driven, FTC)
140 W/Ch (8 Ohms, 1kHz, 0.08% THD, 2 Channels Driven, FTC)

My question is that are these onkyo specified power ratings peak power or RMS ratings?

To add to this, onkyo states an additional spec called dynamic power 160 W (8 Ohms, Front).

I want to know the RMS rating of this receiver at 8 ohms 2 channel driven.
RMS - 140W/2CH driven
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^So why dont they state the term after the power rating, peak and rms is different, and what is this dynamic power spec which states 160W for the fronts at 8 ohms?
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^So why dont they state the term after the power rating, peak and rms is different, and what is this dynamic power spec which states 160W for the fronts at 8 ohms?
Doesn't really matter .... the AVR will do roughly 140W into 2CH and somewhat less each time more speakers are added (eg. ~120W/CH into 5CH).
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Hello,
I placed an order today for RZ1100. The dealer did not have it in stock but he said i could place an order for it and I would get it shipped in 3 to 4 weeks.

A bit of perspective:
I initially came into this thread enquiring about the 7 channel receivers, RZ810 and the newer RZ820. I heard them both and they sounded much the same on the sound front, they are using same dac's. What did convince me to instead go for the 9 channel 1100 was some people saying on the forums, gene4ht over here, that the 7 channel avr's would do a max of 5.x.2 and i couldn't add more than 2 atmos speakers. And the guy at the store told me that the 1100 has a little more wpc than the 810 and another difference- the 810/820 has 1 AKM dac for all channels, while the 1100 has separate dac's for the fronts and surround channels. This i think would make a difference in SQ when driving multichannel sound.
And lastly the one caveat i had with the 2016 models was they did not support dolby vision, but on the onkyo forum i was told the 2016 rz models will be getting a fw update by the end of this year to make them dolby vision compatible. So confirming that, i finally went for 1100, it will take some weeks to ship to me like i said but i'll post impressions at that time.

I am coming from an older onkyo model NR818.

When i auditioned the new RZ line and compared the sound signature to the older NR818, i think it's somewhat different, i felt with music the mids in the RZ were a little brighter, the 818 sounded more neutral. On movie sources, the bass on the RZ may feel a little thinned out in some sequences but that could be adjusted by using a good sub or just pushing up the sub knob. And another thing the volume, if using absolute volume display, and playing at 50 volume, i think my older 818 sounded louder than the RZ at 50, RZ has to be pushed up a little bit higher to get the same loudness. Maybe something to do with the toroidal transformer and class A/B amp which the 818 used and the RZ series doesn't? Can't say for sure. However, with that said, the RZ had a wider soundstage and overall a little better clarity and dynamics than 818. So i was pleased on the whole. The RZ also sounds better than the yamaha 2017 receivers i have heard at another place.

A couple of questions i have for the RZ1100 i'll be receiving in a few weeks. I'll be bi-amping my fronts and doing that i'd lose 2 channels, so with bi-amping used , i could only run a 5.x.2 setup with the avr (no external amp). Someone on the onkyo forum told me that i could use the older receiver 818 as an external amp (i cannot buy a dedicated external amp at this time). If 818 can be used, how would i hook up the two, this is something i havent done before - hooking a receiver to another receiver. But what i want to do is have a 7.x.4 setup, where the 7 'regular' speakers be powered by the RZ1100 amps and the 818 powers 4 atmos speakers (still have to look into atmos speakers, new format for me). Is such a setup possible? If i want the 818 to power 4 atmos speakers, which connections do i need to hook between the RZ1100 and 818? 818 has rca inputs, but where do the connections go in there and what gets hooked on the RZ1100?

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I placed an order today for RZ1100. The dealer did not have it in stock but he said i could place an order for it and I would get it shipped in 3 to 4 weeks.

A bit of perspective:
I initially came into this thread enquiring about the 7 channel receivers, RZ810 and the newer RZ820. I heard them both and they sounded much the same on the sound front, they are using same dac's. What did convince me to instead go for the 9 channel 1100 was some people saying on the forums, gene4ht over here, that the 7 channel avr's would do a max of 5.x.2 and i couldn't add more than 2 atmos speakers. And the guy at the store told me that the 1100 has a little more wpc than the 810 and another difference- the 810/820 has 1 AKM dac for all channels, while the 1100 has separate dac's for the fronts and surround channels. This i think would make a difference in SQ when driving multichannel sound.
And lastly the one caveat i had with the 2016 models was they did not support dolby vision, but on the onkyo forum i was told the 2016 rz models will be getting a fw update by the end of this year to make them dolby vision compatible. So confirming that, i finally went for 1100, it will take some weeks to ship to me like i said but i'll post impressions at that time.

I am coming from an older onkyo model NR818.

When i auditioned the new RZ line and compared the sound signature to the older NR818, i think it's somewhat different, i felt with music the mids in the RZ were a little brighter, the 818 sounded more neutral. On movie sources, the bass on the RZ may feel a little thinned out in some sequences but that could be adjusted by using a good sub or just pushing up the sub knob. And another thing the volume, if using absolute volume display, and playing at 50 volume, i think my older 818 sounded louder than the RZ at 50, RZ has to be pushed up a little bit higher to get the same loudness. Maybe something to do with the toroidal transformer and class A/B amp which the 818 used and the RZ series doesn't? Can't say for sure. However, with that said, the RZ had a wider soundstage and overall a little better clarity and dynamics than 818. So i was pleased on the whole. The RZ also sounds better than the yamaha 2017 receivers i have heard at another place.

A couple of questions i have for the RZ1100 i'll be receiving in a few weeks. I'll be bi-amping my fronts and doing that i'd lose 2 channels, so with bi-amping used , i could only run a 5.x.2 setup with the avr (no external amp). Someone on the onkyo forum told me that i could use the older receiver 818 as an external amp (i cannot buy a dedicated external amp at this time). If 818 can be used, how would i hook up the two, this is something i havent done before - hooking a receiver to another receiver. But what i want to do is have a 7.x.4 setup, where the 7 'regular' speakers be powered by the RZ1100 amps and the 818 powers 4 atmos speakers (still have to look into atmos speakers, new format for me). Is such a setup possible? If i want the 818 to power 4 atmos speakers, which connections do i need to hook between the RZ1100 and 818? 818 has rca inputs, but where do the connections go in there and what gets hooked on the RZ1100?
The RZ1100 advanced manual has on page 33 about "Connecting a power amplifier" to pre-outs. Connect and config from setup. Just do it and ask back if you run into any problems.
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http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpa...%3DBrand~Onkyo

Now these are being sold by Best Buy. Looks like the stores will be getting them in at the end of the month. If so they should be on clearance price by Sept.
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Who have two unit at the same time, how diffirent between them in SQ? Thanks.
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The RZ1100 advanced manual has on page 33 about "Connecting a power amplifier" to pre-outs. Connect and config from setup. Just do it and ask back if you run into any problems.
I am not Bi-Amping exactly but using the front speaker power outs and the front rca "pre-outs" to drive my Tannoy "WIDE" speakers. The pre-outs go to an Onkyo 2 channel amp https://www.onkyousa.com/Products/mo...urce=prodClass . This works great for my wides that are in sync with the fronts. I don't have a way to change any of the DSP between the front speaker outs and the front pre-outs. That is fine for me, but if you are bi-amping then you either need an amp connected to the pre-out that has a way to have high freq filtering and lower power for those high drivers or a good speaker that has drivers that can support the power out of that amp.




My Tannoy's have these bridges you can use to combine them in stead of having to use a true bi-am setup. Can you do this bridging with your speakers and free up a channel?

Also you can remove that bridge and run the cables like I do with 2 (L-R) to the Amp and 4 (L-R, L-R) to the speakers (like I do) with Kimber Kable. https://www.kimber.com/configure/8TC . Select "internal Bi-Wire" on that Kimber page link and you will see a drawing.

I hope these suggestions work and your question was answered by me trying to explain how I run my 1100 out to my front speakers. Remember running out a pre with the same speaker out channel won't make you lose anything but you will require a separate amp for those pre outs. Here is a picture of my setup using the Onkyo 2 channel amp (blue light) and the front with wides. Also up to you can see I am using the "high fronts" out of the 1100 driving some down angles SVS surround speakers. Scott


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I spoke with the Onkyo guys at CEDIA today and the best I could get for the Dolby Vision update on these two models (which won't be refreshed until fall 2018) is "by the end of 2017". Also, the HLG update is not a given as is true with other brands which are doing both DV + HLG updates together.
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New onkyo rz920 looks like a great new product and a very nice upgrade with e arc.
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New onkyo rz920 looks like a great new product and a very nice upgrade with e arc.
Power is good as RZ900? torial tranformer? Can you post a link? Thanks.
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I spoke with the Onkyo guys at CEDIA today and the best I could get for the Dolby Vision update on these two models (which won't be refreshed until fall 2018) is "by the end of 2017". Also, the HLG update is not a given as is true with other brands which are doing both DV + HLG updates together.
The fall 2018 refresh is a bit disappointing but a two year cycle is realistic for flagship models. For me personally then, I'll likely give
Denon's new flagship a serious look.

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Was at cedia today and saw it. Digital amp and was told it will process 11 ch with 2 ch amp.

My guess is rz900 is more powerful and heavier but rz920 has more channels and new features that are very nice. Just google rz920 and you'll see it.
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TX-RZ1100
(Version 2079-2000-2020-0008)

Adds support for DTS Play-Fi. *To use Play-Fi, you need to download the application.

http://www.onkyo.com/manual/sup/upd/playfi_onk.pdf

Before starting to use Play-Fi, set "On" at the "Network Standby" ("NET Stby") setting. The unit will automatically power on and change the selector to "NET" or "Network"
Adds ""Play Queue"" function.
For detail about updated function, please refer to the link below.
http://www.onkyo.com/manual/sup/upd/queue_onk.pdf
Adds "Search/ Sort" function on Music server.
Adds "Display WAV file information ( album art, artist, album ) via USB" function.
For detail about updated function, please refer to the link below.
http://www.onkyo.com/manual/sup/upd/...709_na_onk.pdf
*Additional functions depend on model.
Minor bug fixes and improvements stability.

New firmware around, any impressions?
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I spoke with the Onkyo guys at CEDIA today and the best I could get for the Dolby Vision update on these two models (which won't be refreshed until fall 2018) is "by the end of 2017". Also, the HLG update is not a given as is true with other brands which are doing both DV + HLG updates together.
... won't be refreshed until fall 2018

Sorry to hear that, I have been waiting for a 2017 release. Now I will have to look at other brand options for a 11 channel receiver.
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A couple of questions i have for the RZ1100 i'll be receiving in a few weeks. I'll be bi-amping my fronts and doing that i'd lose 2 channels, so with bi-amping used , i could only run a 5.x.2 setup with the avr (no external amp). Someone on the onkyo forum told me that i could use the older receiver 818 as an external amp (i cannot buy a dedicated external amp at this time). If 818 can be used, how would i hook up the two, this is something i havent done before - hooking a receiver to another receiver. But what i want to do is have a 7.x.4 setup, where the 7 'regular' speakers be powered by the RZ1100 amps and the 818 powers 4 atmos speakers (still have to look into atmos speakers, new format for me). Is such a setup possible? If i want the 818 to power 4 atmos speakers, which connections do i need to hook between the RZ1100 and 818? 818 has rca inputs, but where do the connections go in there and what gets hooked on the RZ1100?
If you consider your speakers worth bi-amping you definitely need to look for the dedicated external power amp, i would not bother too much with bi-amping via embedded rz1100 circuits.

Also, eventually you will want to setup proper 7.1.4 atmos and you will need external amp for that. rz1100 is still a best buy as 3100 has same sub-par amplifiers on board. hat you need onkyo for is its processing, not its amps for the front an central channels. it will feed surrounds fine, but for the main stage you will want something of a bit better quality and more power to drive bass well. and a core of the issue here may be not even the quality of amp circuits rz1100 and rz3100 got but the power supply wattage both units have, in my opinion it is just not enough to drive front stage well.

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Hi, could anybody advice, if i have Atmos 7.1.4 set with side at-wall high mounted surround speakers, one pair at the seating line and one in the mid-line, which one of options listed here is preferable?
I did set it as '– Height 1 Speaker: Top Middle, Height 2 Speaker: Rear High' but never bothered to do proper testing with a demo disk. Would it make any difference to use other options from the list there?
Setting screen does not even offer other options once you choose 'Top Middle' for Height 1. I did not bother to dig more into that. It was confusing why they have top middle with 'rear high' combination but do not have 'top rear' or 'middle high' even as a concept while on the atmos setup picture they show both middle/rear 'top' and middle/rear 'high' setups. Odd.

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HEIGHT 1/HEIGHT 2
When connecting 2 sets of height speakers, the height speaker combinations you can choose are as follows.
– Height 1 Speaker: Top Middle, Height 2 Speaker: Rear High
– Height 1 Speaker: Front High, Height 2 Speaker: One of Rear High/Top Middle/Top Rear/Dolby Enabled
Speaker (Surround)/Dolby Enabled Speaker (Surround Back)
– Height 1 Speaker: Top Front or Dolby Enabled Speaker (Front), Height 2 Speaker: One of Rear High/Top
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When connecting only one set of height speakers, select one type of height speakers from the types
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Also a bit of a different question - I have a ton of video content with old DTS 5.1 audio. Is there any mode in RZ1100 that will be able to 'spread' this surround feed into all 11 speakers of 7.1.4 setup automatically every time it`s detected? Which mode is the best one for that? It recognized and plays atmos fine but i can hear how inferior old DTS 5.1 sounds compared to Atmos - is there anything it can do to 'auto-enhance' old DTS 5.1 without corrupting its original soundstage?

All I found so far was that DTS:X Neural gets into 7.1.4 mode, and Dolby Surround also seems to get into 7.1.4 mode, but there is also THX and what not. What works better - have anybody here experimented with all possible combinations?

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If you consider your speakers worth bi-amping you definitely need to look for the dedicated external power amp, i would not bother too much with bi-amping via embedded rz1100 circuits.

Also, eventually you will want to setup proper 7.1.4 atmos and you will need external amp for that. rz1100 is still a best buy as 3100 has same sub-par amplifiers on board. hat you need onkyo for is its processing, not its amps for the front an central channels. it will feed surrounds fine, but for the main stage you will want something of a bit better quality and more power to drive bass well. and a core of the issue here may be not even the quality of amp circuits rz1100 and rz3100 got but the power supply wattage both units have, in my opinion it is just not enough to drive front stage well.
For now ill be using an avr and bi amp the fronts to this avr and other speakers to older onkyo avr, I bought new speakers and my entire budget is blown away. Eventually though, i'll be using a stereo power amp for the front speakers and rest of the speakers through this avr. Will that work? I hope this avr is good to drive the center and surround channels. If I have to power the center as well from an external amp, then i'll be needing a multichannel amp for the frontstage and a 5 channel power amp would prove very expensive.
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I definitely wouldn't bi amp. Unless you're only running 3 channels.

Test Bench
Two channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 124.8 watts
1% distortion at 184.2 watts

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 110.5 watts
1% distortion at 153.4 watts

Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 103.2 watts
1% distortion at 126.5 watts

Analog frequency response in Pure Audio mode:
?0.06 dB at 10 Hz
?0.02 dB at 20 Hz
+1.11 dB at 20 kHz
?3.66 dB at 50 kHz.

Analog frequency response with signal processing:
?0.13 dB at 10 Hz
?0.04 dB at 20 Hz
+0.48 dB at 20 kHz
?62.19 dB at 50 kHz.

image: https://www.soundandvision.com/image...nkrec.meas.jpg

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This graph shows that the TX-RZ1100?s left channel, from CD input to speaker output with two channels driving 8-ohm loads, reaches 0.1% distortion at 124.8 watts and 1% distortion at 184.2 watts. Into 4 ohms, the amplifier reaches 0.1% distortion at 133.5 watts and 1% distortion at 255.6 watts.

There was no multichannel input to measure. THD+N from the CD input to the speaker output was less than 0.006% at 1 kHz when driving 2.83 volts into an 8-ohm load. Crosstalk at 1 kHz driving 2.83 volts into an 8-ohm load was ?88.15 dB left to right and ?85.33 dB right to left. The signal-to-noise ratio with an 8-ohm load from 10 Hz to 24 kHz with ?A? weighting was ?104.77 dBrA.

From the Dolby Digital input to the loudspeaker output, the left channel measures ?0.01 dB at 20 Hz and +0.76 dB at 20 kHz. The center channel measures ?0.01 dB at 20 Hz and +0.89 dB at 20 kHz, and the left surround channel measures ?0.01 dB at 20 Hz and +0.87 dB at 20 kHz. From the Dolby Digital input to the line-level output, the LFE channel is ?0.00 dB at 20 Hz when referenced to the level at 40 Hz and reaches the upper 3-dB down point at 110 Hz and the upper 6-dB down point at 118 Hz.?MJP


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