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Theory... Idea... any thoughts?


2 of these PLII decoders to add TM using Scott's dual PLII AVR 7.1.6 method (providing one has external amplification)....


or would a device like this simply not encode 2 channel to PL?
* It states that the 2 channel is converted to 5.1... so the plot thickens.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-5-1-Cha...3D281532563178


I figure using the 2 channel AUX (blue) input and then output to external amp via the FL, FR, CEN





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I found this interesting box on monoprice. Seems you could use an HDMI splitter and some amps to get an almost limitless number of speakers.


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I found this interesting box on monoprice. Seems you could use an HDMI splitter and some amps to get an almost limitless number of speakers.


http://www.monoprice.com/product?c_i...seq=1&format=2
That one is of no use. We need analog input.
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The only hangup I see so far with the "Magic Box" is that it sets an internal x/o for all speakers and sends the bass out through the sub out. (Makes Sense). There are some hacks out there but for those who run their speakers on full.

A detailed review can be found here. This is in regards to the first model but updates are at the bottom of the page.

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Sorry if I have missed it. How are you guys that are using 2 AVR's controlling volume since that is the only parameter on the second AVR that you would want to change?
You don't want to change the volume on the second AVR at all. Set that volume to reference 0dB and leave it there. The primary AVR controls the volume of the entire soundtrack before it sends any signal to the pre-outs.

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if the second AVR is a denon x4000, in PLIIz , from a 2 channel input, i.e. the TM signal , it can also generate a FH signal, which you actually wire to the FH's, so there's 7.1 plus actual FH's .
The x5200 FH's are actually the same as TF's insofar as signal input is concerned. even if labeled FH's in the OSD

So the pre=out TM goes to the Marantz which means the x5200 is not driving the TM speakers.

so clarify if you would,
Which outputs on the marantz are driving the TM speakers.
and which outputs are driving the TR's?
Primary AVR, Denon X5200W. Configured for FH and TM.

FH speakers are driven by the X5200W using the "Height 1" speaker outputs.

TM channels are routed to the X5200W's pre-outs. The pre-outs are connected to the stereo inputs on the second AVR, which drives all of the other height speakers.

The second AVR (Marantz) has the speakers wired this way:

Front Left output = TM Left speaker.
Front Right output = TM Right speaker.
Center output = Voice of God speakers.
Surround Left output = TR Left speaker.
Surround Right output = TR Right speaker.

Does that help?
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sort of a follow up revelation;

a denon X2000 set to PLIIz mode will also generate and amp a set of FH's

and then follow your above hook up and get 9.x.8

and on sale at A4less @ only $350.

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Primary AVR, Denon X5200W. Configured for FH and TM.

FH speakers are driven by the X5200W using the "Height 1" speaker outputs.

TM channels are routed to the X5200W's pre-outs. The pre-outs are connected to the stereo inputs on the second AVR, which drives all of the other height speakers.

The second AVR (Marantz) has the speakers wired this way:

Front Left output = TM Left speaker.
Front Right output = TM Right speaker.
Center output = Voice of God speakers.
Surround Left output = TR Left speaker.
Surround Right output = TR Right speaker.

Does that help?
Interesting setup.

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I have a denon s900w and it does not have a pre out
Any ideas how to do this with a extra 7.1 receiver i have. Can i spice a speaker wire to rca and go tat route to expand the heights?

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True VOG

OK, work with me on this one. My design for VOG in the cart ready to buy unless you all tell me that I am crazy...

Proposed Theory:

1. Take the TFL and TRL Preout of Atmos AVR and send it to a summing mixer. (Call it Left Side)
2. Take the TFR and TRR Preout of Atmos AVR and send it to a summing mixer. (Call it Right Side)
3. Left Side Mono summed signal to PLII capable processor Left input.
4. Right Side Mono summed signal to PLII capable processor Right input.
5. Matrixed Center Output from PLII capable Processor to (VOG Speaker)

In my case this will go to the unused center input of the AVR that is being used for the 4 current Top Speakers.

I am thinking that this speaker will only play a sound if all top speakers are fed the same sound.

I am also curious if you could bypass the Summing Stage altogther and just feed a TFL+TRR in PLII capable processor...This should still technically still work for VOG?

Here is the summing mixer.

Nady MM-242 4 Stereo / 8 Mono Channel Mini Mixer with mono/stereo mode




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Interesting setup.

Indeed, expanding from TM only (x.x.2) using PLII, that is the simplest 'beyond' approach (only requiring a single PLII equipped AVR addition).


I am thinking about a PC option as well, should be fairly straight forward since there are very capable sound cards out there with full analog in/out.


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OK, work with me on this one. My design for VOG in the cart ready to buy unless you all tell me that I am crazy...

Proposed Theory:

1. Take the TFL and TRL Preout of Atmos AVR and send it to a summing mixer. (Call it Left Side)
2. Take the TFR and TRR Preout of Atmos AVR and send it to a summing mixer. (Call it Right Side)
3. Left Side Mono summed signal to PLII capable processor Left input.
4. Right Side Mono summed signal to PLII capable processor Right input.
5. Matrixed Center Output from PLII capable Processor to (VOG Speaker)

In my case this will go to the unused center input of the AVR that is being used for the 4 current Top Speakers.

I am thinking that this speaker will only play a sound if all top speakers are fed the same sound.



Take a look at "Investigation on the Quality of 3D Sound Reproduction" (by A. Silzle et al) (link). It includes details of experiments using various algorithms for 22.2 to 5.1+4 mixdown--portions of which might be considered the reverse of your plans. In particular, Figure 6 and Table 4 use an algorithm in which the Top Center (TpC) channel content ("VOG") is redistributed to the four 'corner heights' equally at a 50% SPL level...?!


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I want to support this thread, but I don't have time to write up a long post about what I've done in my theater. Here's a post I wrote in the Atmos thread last year:

The official Dolby Atmos thread (home theater version)



Here's an article I wrote about it with additional details and photos:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/blog/cu...more-speakers/
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Primary AVR, Denon X5200W. Configured for FH and TM.

FH speakers are driven by the X5200W using the "Height 1" speaker outputs.

TM channels are routed to the X5200W's pre-outs. The pre-outs are connected to the stereo inputs on the second AVR, which drives all of the other height speakers.

The second AVR (Marantz) has the speakers wired this way:

Front Left output = TM Left speaker.
Front Right output = TM Right speaker.
Center output = Voice of God speakers.
Surround Left output = TR Left speaker.
Surround Right output = TR Right speaker.

Does that help?
These two post had me thinking...

Many 5.1 AVRs have a setting that allows for all Front Speakers (Surrounds are to the left and right of Fronts)...Couldn't you use the same concept to turn the configuration 90 degrees and Use 2X5.1 AVRs for a .10 configuration?

Matrix AVR1 (Left Side Speakers) receives TFL in Left analog input and TRL in Right analog input
Matrix AVR1 Output:
Front Left output = TF Left speaker.
Front Right output = TR Left speaker.
Center output = TM Left speaker.
Surround Left output = FH Left speaker.
Surround Right output = RH Left speaker.

Matrix AVR2 (Right Side Speakers) receives TFR in Left analog input and TRR in Right analog input
Matrix AVR2 Output:
Front Left output = TF Right speaker.
Front Right output = TR Right speaker.
Center output = TM Right speaker.
Surround Left output = FH Right speaker.
Surround Right output = RH Right speaker.

Feel free to pick apart Theory.
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These two post had me thinking...

Many 5.1 AVRs have a setting that allows for all Front Speakers (Surrounds are to the left and right of Fronts)...Couldn't you use the same concept to turn the configuration 90 degrees and Use 2X5.1 AVRs for a .10 configuration?

Matrix AVR1 (Left Side Speakers) receives TFL in Left analog input and TRL in Right analog input
Matrix AVR1 Output:
Front Left output = TF Left speaker.
Front Right output = TR Left speaker.
Center output = TM Left speaker.
Surround Left output = FH Left speaker.
Surround Right output = RH Left speaker.

Matrix AVR2 (Right Side Speakers) receives TFR in Left analog input and TRR in Right analog input
Matrix AVR2 Output:
Front Left output = TF Right speaker.
Front Right output = TR Right speaker.
Center output = TM Right speaker.
Surround Left output = FH Right speaker.
Surround Right output = RH Right speaker.

Feel free to pick apart Theory.

This sounds interesting if the pan works correctly.
How do we make sure the pan works, any tips?
And I guess any PLII receiver should be able to it?
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This sounds interesting if the pan works correctly.
How do we make sure the pan works, any tips?
And I guess any PLII receiver should be able to it?
The test would be the Atmos Helicopter Demo. All we would need to do is check one side and the other side should work the same. Anyone that has 5 like speakers and an additional AVR with PLII should be able to conduct the test.

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The test would be the Atmos Helicopter Demo. All we would need to do is check one side and the other side should work the same. Anyone that has 5 like speakers and an additional AVR with PLII should be able to conduct the test.
Ok. The Helicopter should run back to front smoothly.
My speakers are on the ceiling. But I have some junk speakers lying around from HTIB, that I can use.
If I lay them on the ground say in just 3-4 feet span should be able to detect the pan (by being at the center)?
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Primary AVR, Denon X5200W. Configured for FH and TM.

FH speakers are driven by the X5200W using the "Height 1" speaker outputs.

TM channels are routed to the X5200W's pre-outs. The pre-outs are connected to the stereo inputs on the second AVR, which drives all of the other height speakers.

The second AVR (Marantz) has the speakers wired this way:

Front Left output = TM Left speaker.
Front Right output = TM Right speaker.
Center output = Voice of God speakers.
Surround Left output = TR Left speaker.
Surround Right output = TR Right speaker.

Does that help?
Playing the Audiosphere Demo, how does the music in the overhead pan using this setup? Listen carefully.

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Ok. The Helicopter should run back to front smoothly.
My speakers are on the ceiling. But I have some junk speakers lying around from HTIB, that I can use.
If I lay them on the ground say in just 3-4 feet span should be able to detect the pan (by being at the center)?
That would be the ideal test. I also have a HTIB laying around with 4 matching satellite speakers, a horizontal center and a long RC stereo cable that I can test with. Should be able to do it sometime Thursday.

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Yes. What exactly are you looking for?
How well are the various top positions rendered? Is the TM blurred across three or just one speaker?


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At the moment I will aim to use two NAD T743's in PLII for 6 overheads, well once NAD release the Atmos MDC for the T775 that is.

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How well are the various top positions rendered? Is the TM blurred across three or just one speaker?
When at TM, the sound comes from all three on that side.
For all other positions, the exact speaker sounds as id displays on the screen.
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When at TM, the sound comes from all three on that side.
For all other positions, the exact speaker sounds as id displays on the screen.
So we have not actually gained anything at this stage.


FH/RH needs to ignore sound aimed for TM. I have not found many ways yet to do it, I was hoping for 2x4 MiniDSP's to be able to do this but it would require one of them for each speaker with the currently available plugins.

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I'm glad that this has it's own thread. I have two PLII, an old PL receivers and a bunch of HTIB speakers.

Ron, love to see what results you get on your theory.

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So we have not actually gained anything at this stage.


FH/RH needs to ignore sound aimed for TM. I have not found many ways yet to do it, I was hoping for 2x4 MiniDSP's to be able to do this but it would require one of them for each speaker with the currently available plugins.
I don't understand the logic here?

You have a 2.1 system and when you are not a MLP, the center focused sounds will be more prevalent in the speaker you are closer too. Right? In other words, the sweet spot is limited as those who are sitting on the left or right side will get center focused sounds like vocals from that speaker and not where it is supposed to be which is center stage.

Now here is where adding a center via PLII shines. It will take the center focused sounds like vocals and extract them from the Left and Right speakers and put them in their own dedicated speaker which will be placed center stage. No matter where you sit, the center focused sounds will come from the proper place....Theses sounds are no longer in the Left and Right speaker and if they are they accompaniment the center and not distract from it.

What's so different about that concept than what is being presented here? you can spread your TF+TR out further AND those sounds that are sent to TM will be played in TM via PLII. So what the sounds bleed. Ain't perfect but it a hell of a lot better than paying 13k-25k!

Same thing for Wides. So you can expand your 7.x.4 to 9.x.6 for pennies on the dollar.

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Ordered two of the LBB's (Little Black Boxes) from above, $28 ea. so why not, esp. since I'm using my 3040 as a Pre/Pro, they should be all I'll need.
Now to see which version they are, so I can see how easy the mod will be to take their frequency limiting out of the equation and run them straight.

I'll let you all know, they're coming from Cali. according to the e-bay address, so hopefully their l they'll be here next week.

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Indeed, expanding from TM only (x.x.2) using PLII, that is the simplest 'beyond' approach (only requiring a single PLII equipped AVR addition).


I am thinking about a PC option as well, should be fairly straight forward since there are very capable sound cards out there with full analog in/out.


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Using an Atmos enabled AVR with 9 internal amps and having it configured to do 9.2.2 (7.1 + WR/WL and TCR/TCL), one only needs one additional AVR to matrix the ceiling speakers to TFL/TFR, TML/TMR and TRL/TRR + the center channel as the VOG. That would keep all ear level channels discrete and the less critical ceiling speakers as matrixed. Very interesting indeed.

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^

as Josh Z patiently posted for clarity

got a wiring picture for simplicity

my old 818 is lookiing like a go to unit for this tops matrixing

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Ordered two of the LBB's (Little Black Boxes) from above, $28 ea. so why not, esp. since I'm using my 3040 as a Pre/Pro, they should be all I'll need.
Now to see which version they are, so I can see how easy the mod will be to take their frequency limiting out of the equation and run them straight.

I'll let you all know, they're coming from Cali. according to the e-bay address, so hopefully their l they'll be here next week.

Can you share the ebay link for $28 each, I did not see a US based seller for that price?


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Notes about using Dolby PLII AVR's

This came up in another thread, and got me thinking.

I had noted earlier when i did Audyssey runs, that the PLII channels had longer distance settings than they should, but contributed it to the processing of PLII.
They should be 1.8 meters(6 feet), but Audyssey set them to 6.9 meters(22 feet).
Not only that, but the distance setting was maxed out! If i set it longer, it reverted back to 6.9.

And in the 7200 manual, i found the reason, last line under distance, the difference can not be more than 6 meters.



Lately several others had the same "problem", wich let me to check further. I did a Audyssey Pro, the other day, and here you can see the REAL distance setting Pro got from those channels. Look at left and right surround top:



Pro set it to 15 meters!!! (49 feet).

So i fired up REW and used the timing loop, to see the delay. Red is 7200 center channel for reference, blue is said channels in stereo, and green is in PLII mode:



So compared to stereo, there is more than 30ms delay in PLII !

This means that even if you run Audyssey in PLII, and never use any other mode, Audyssey is still not able to correct it enough.

This can't be good?

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These two post had me thinking...

Many 5.1 AVRs have a setting that allows for all Front Speakers (Surrounds are to the left and right of Fronts)...Couldn't you use the same concept to turn the configuration 90 degrees and Use 2X5.1 AVRs for a .10 configuration?

Matrix AVR1 (Left Side Speakers) receives TFL in Left analog input and TRL in Right analog input
Matrix AVR1 Output:
Front Left output = TF Left speaker.
Front Right output = TR Left speaker.
Center output = TM Left speaker.
Surround Left output = FH Left speaker.
Surround Right output = RH Left speaker.

Matrix AVR2 (Right Side Speakers) receives TFR in Left analog input and TRR in Right analog input
Matrix AVR2 Output:
Front Left output = TF Right speaker.
Front Right output = TR Right speaker.
Center output = TM Right speaker.
Surround Left output = FH Right speaker.
Surround Right output = RH Right speaker.

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This sounds interesting if the pan works correctly.
How do we make sure the pan works, any tips?
And I guess any PLII receiver should be able to it?
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Ok. The Helicopter should run back to front smoothly.
My speakers are on the ceiling. But I have some junk speakers lying around from HTIB, that I can use.
If I lay them on the ground say in just 3-4 feet span should be able to detect the pan (by being at the center)?
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Using an Atmos enabled AVR with 9 internal amps and having it configured to do 9.2.2 (7.1 + WR/WL and TCR/TCL), one only needs one additional AVR to matrix the ceiling speakers to TFL/TFR, TML/TMR and TRL/TRR + the center channel as the VOG. That would keep all ear level channels discrete and the less critical ceiling speakers as matrixed. Very interesting indeed.

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This is easy for me to test as my AVR is already serving as an Amp for 4 heights. Tops are fed to left and right and rears are fed into surround inputs. All I would need to do is turn off Top rears in Atmos AVR and switch to CD input on Amp AVR. Switch on PLII and play some Demos. I have gotten very familiar with how they supposed to sound.

Will report back but I don't see this as being as good as a true .4 or fake .6.

Does take care of the true Wides...However, since DSU doesn't use Wides...

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These two post had me thinking...

Many 5.1 AVRs have a setting that allows for all Front Speakers (Surrounds are to the left and right of Fronts)...Couldn't you use the same concept to turn the configuration 90 degrees and Use 2X5.1 AVRs for a .10 configuration?

Matrix AVR1 (Left Side Speakers) receives TFL in Left analog input and TRL in Right analog input
Matrix AVR1 Output:
Front Left output = TF Left speaker.
Front Right output = TR Left speaker.
Center output = TM Left speaker.
Surround Left output = FH Left speaker.
Surround Right output = RH Left speaker.

Matrix AVR2 (Right Side Speakers) receives TFR in Left analog input and TRR in Right analog input
Matrix AVR2 Output:
Front Left output = TF Right speaker.
Front Right output = TR Right speaker.
Center output = TM Right speaker.
Surround Left output = FH Right speaker.
Surround Right output = RH Right speaker.

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I've been wrapping my head around this, and I think most of it is workable. I do worry, however about the FH and RH channels. Are we reasonably certain they will get correct information from the matrix? That's the only thing I'm really unsure of.

The heights speakers are getting the surround channels. This means they are getting information that normally is out of phase and is steered toward a channel based on other sound directional cues in the mix. The basic surround signal is mono. I don't want to bore people with basic analogue surround sound theory but basically, a left and right channel can be seen as 4 channels: Left Channel Left+Right Channel (Center) Right Channel and Left-Right Channel (Surrounds). The Surround is a mono channel that is played through two speakers. The sound is directed by PLII toward one of the two channels based on cues in the source. Will this work to give a correct FH and RH?

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