It wouldn't surprise me if the Sound and Vision bench test
was simply putting the newest batch of Yamaha AVR's into protection mode.
I've noticed they have not done any further Yamaha testing since.
Nothing on the 1050,2050 or 3050 at all.
I'll admit I was concerned at first too and had a heavily discounted NAD T955 5 channel amp on reserve
from the same store that sold me my RX-A3050 last month (for the same sticker as their RX-A2050)
Once I got my 3050 home and hooked up for my 7 bed layer speakers,
and my old RX-V3900 setup to run the 4 height/presence speakers all doubts were removed,
and I cancelled the NAD amp purchase. (even though it was half price!)
The thing the bench tests don't account for is MOST Home Theater users run at least 1 powered
...that's good enough to more than double your AVR's headroom since the sub 80Hz frequencies account
for the bulk of the draw on the internal amplifiers.
Bench testing all channels at the same time with a continuous sine wave without a sub in the chain
means all speakers are assumed Large and Full Range and No Sub ??? Really? how practical is that?
How many bluray movies require all speakers running full range simultaneously
with the exact same signal (sine wave lol) and no sub in the chain? seriously?
My older Yamaha's, an RX-V3900 and an even older RX-V1800 (both still working after 8/9 years)
Both bench tested quite favorably at sound and vision and the new RX-A3050 is just as good, dare I say Better...despite what the bench numbers may show.
Master Volume never needs to exceed -20 and I can hit 80dB
with 100dB peaks at my MLP , room is 14'-6" x 16'-9" (about 2000 cu.ft.)
Max available volume is +16 so I have WAY more headroom than my ears can take without damage.
...and I'm certainly not the only one:
check this thread: Yamaha poor bench testing indicative of deeper issue?
Originally Posted by MKtheater
It is as simple as they use whatever is higher! I have used 1000 watt mono locks and a Yamaha receiver recently and when watching movies you can not tell the difference so this means we are not using all the power even a receiver has to offer. Unless you are driving 2-4 ohm low sensitive speakers it won't matter. I just sold my Yamaha 2030 and replaced it with 450 watt per channel amps and processor and one can not tell the difference. I only changed for Atmos which makes a much bigger difference.
Even Sound and Vision admitted that their "All Channels Driven"
bench testing was not practical and a non-issue in the Real World
where program signals never demand this level of stability.
For arguments sake,
even "IF" the Denon/Marantz bench tested at Twice the wattage
(by avoiding going into protection mode under an unrealistic stress test)
That is most certainly NOT
twice as loud....it's really only
3dB louder, barely perceptible
It actually takes 10x the wattage to produce a volume at 10dB higher,
and to be perceived as sounding twice as loud!
Yes, you would need to have test results showing 500wpc to sound twice as loud as a 50wpc amp.
Now get realistic and put a powered sub (or better yet 2 or 4 subs) in your room
Utilize Bass Management properly (crossover set to 80Hz) and you'll never need external amplification
...unless you run 9 full range towers that have *****ty efficiency ratings in every speaker position
Bass Management 101
If you run Large full range L/R towers, by all means add an external 2ch amp for those
But there's certainly no need for more than that for most users.
My first Yamaha was in the early 80's (yup 3 decades+ ago)
I've never lost one to any type of failure, never. I've also never needed external amplification.
I simply pass old retired receivers down to younger brothers, move them to other rooms ...or just sell them.
They tend to go obsolete due to format changes like
...new HDMI versions, 3D capablity, DTS-MA/Dolby TrueHD and now Atmos/DTS:X, 4K HDCP 2.2/HDR
L-O-N-G before they ever break down.
Still don't believe it, fine
but you better believe the forums would be absolutely Flooded with disappointed Yamaha owners
if they were as drastically under-powered and "Pathetic" as the Denon people would have you believe.
This thread alone should be a testament to the number of satisfied RX-A1050, RX-A2050 and RX-A3050 owners.