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Yamaha Aventage 2016 Models

Since we've all begun anticipating the 2016 year model receivers from Yamaha, I thought I would start this thread.
Once released, I plan to purchase a AVR and maintain this as a so-called owner's thread. Well, another poster has started another owners (owner's? owners'?) thread here: A-x060 Owners Thread. Probably for the better, seeing as a small handful of members managed to clog up this thread with repetitive, barely-relevant bantering. Please PM me if you'd like something added to the first posts.

Release dates:
  • RX-A660 June
  • RX-A760 May
  • RX-A860 June
  • RX-A1060 June
  • RX-A2060 July
  • RX-A3060 July
All receivers are expected to feature:
  • MusicCast (Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, networking streaming audio from DLNA, Pandora, Spotify, vTuner, Apple AirPlay, etc.)
  • 18 Gbps HDMI 2.0a w/ HDCP 2.2 on all rear ports. Support for pass-thru of HDR, 10/12b (Deep Color), 4:4:4 chroma subsampling, DCI P3 and BT.2020 color space
  • Dolby Atmos and DTS:X object-based decoding
  • YPAO room correction using included corded calibration microphone
  • 1 front USB input
  • Aluminum front panel
  • 3 year warranty

New this year:
  • Subwoofer EQ down to 15Hz

These models share a lot of similarities with their predecessors, of which there is a lot of info in The "OFFICIAL" Yamaha 1050/2050/3050 Owner's thread.

Is Dolby Atmos worth it?

Thread on DTS:X.

Glossary:

DSU, or Dolby Surround Upmixer.
Referred to by Yamaha as just [Dolby DD Logo] Surround. To access, simply press Sur. Decode repeatedly until [logo] Surround appears.Similar in concept to the older Dolby Pro Logic II upmixer, this upmixer can take a source anywhere from 2.0 to 7.1 and upmix to your layout, including up to 7.1.4. It does so by "guessing" which sound effects are probably supposed to come from behind or above, and redirecting those sounds to those speakers. Previously, some movies were mixed in more than 2 channels, then downmixed with a PLII matrix encoder, so they could be transmitted via a normal 2ch distribution network, then upmixed with with PLII in the consumer's home. These pre-matrixed PLII soundtracks produced better surround results because the "guessing" was more predictable. This functionality has not been observed in DSU, with regards to matrix-encoded signals specifically designed for DSU to upmix. When DSU is selected as the decoder, but the input is Dolby Atmos (either DD TrueHD or DD+) then the Yamaha will decode it as standard Atmos, and not apply any addition guessing/upmixing. More info on DSU is available over on its dedicated thread.

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Subwoofer eq down to 15hz? Yessss! Finally. And at 1/3 octave steps 20hz and 25hz also?
Fits in nicely with the existing 31hz. Take that audyssey and everybody else. Manual peq.
The upper models should come with a rew mic. Yamaha keeps listening to me so next
comes this. Subwoofer eq and independent crossovers in the upper v line. Please.
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I think the 3060 should come with the lighted remote......like the 3030 had. The remote that comes with the 3040/3050 is not suitable for that level of product........if the amp has to cost $50 more for the remote......fine!!!
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New this year:
Subwoofer EQ down to 15Hz


Uhm, don't mean to be rude or anything... but this is just speculation.
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I saw the spec sheets for the A860, A1060 and A2060. They do not mention sub eq. This is what they list:

A2060 -YPAO™ -R.S.C. with 3D, multipoint and angle measurement for
automatic room calibration

A860 and A1060 - YPAO™ -R.S.C. with multipoint measurement for automatic room
calibration
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Yamaha has a subwoofer eq on models a850 and above. Their eq has always
started at 31hz and goes up at 1/3 octave steps. 15hz is the missing octave.
It would be in the manual. Google has squat evidence either way so far.
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If the new models have sub EQ below 31 Hz that might convince me to upgrade from my 2030.
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Yamaha already is #1 by a good margin in reliability and their smartphone app is leagues ahead as well. Finally they fix the one thing lacking in YPAO so far which was sub eq, this is really great news!
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What's the difference for 1060 vs 1050?
I dont see any accepting for the sub....
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Great, I just bought a 3050. If this is true that YPAO equalizes sub down to 15hz. Looks like I may have a classified ad in my future

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Hopefully the 3060 will have 11 channels internally and not just 9. That would really get me interested
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Great, I just bought a 3050. If this is true that YPAO equalizes sub down to 15hz. Looks like I may have a classified ad in my future
You would upgrade just for that? There's a good chance you wouldn't notice a difference.
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Hello forum....quick question:

Does anyone(s) have an idea what the cost will be for the a1060 when it comes out? I'm thinking about the same as the current 1050... in the $1200.00 range of msrp.

Thanks!!
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I saw the spec sheets for the A860, A1060 and A2060. They do not mention sub eq. This is what they list:

A2060 -YPAO™ -R.S.C. with 3D, multipoint and angle measurement for
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A860 and A1060 - YPAO™ -R.S.C. with multipoint measurement for automatic room
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Great, I just bought a 3050. If this is true that YPAO equalizes sub down to 15hz. Looks like I may have a classified ad in my future
The YPAO mic is incapable of calibrating below 31 Hz. Instead, the lower octave will be manually adjustable.
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Hello forum....quick question:

Does anyone(s) have an idea what the cost will be for the a1060 when it comes out? I'm thinking about the same as the current 1050... in the $1200.00 range of msrp.

Thanks!!
The RX-Axx60 models will have the exact same channel and amp counts, as well as prices, as their xx50 counterparts.
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I'd rather Yamaha have the ability to expand channels via external amps on all their Aventage line (or at least from the A8xx and above) than actually add more channels to their miniscule power supply to handle.
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It would be nice to have a model above 3060 with toroidal transformer and better amp section...
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Will be interesting if new AX060 line are going to use the 3D measurements for speaker angle and elevation so that object decoding and rendering in Atmos/DTS:X can be more precise.
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Subwoofer eq and independent crossovers in the upper v line. Please.
Not too shabby. V781 manual calls out eq down to 15.6hz and the v681/781 both have
independent crossovers and 4 band subwoofer eq just like the big boys (A860+).
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^ Well spotted. That's quite a boost for the 681, although it still doesn't get multi-point YPAO (781 does).

People will still complain about the 1/3 octave intervals though (unless they changed that too, but no sign in the manual).
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EQ down to 15.6Hz is a big thing for the 'Audyssey vs YPAO' debate.
Whether the vast majority of none-enthusiasts care... well, probably not. Still, it's cool to see Yamaha are still pushing sound quality improvements down this low in the range.
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Will be interesting if new AX060 line are going to use the 3D measurements for speaker angle and elevation so that object decoding and rendering in Atmos/DTS:X can be more precise.
The RX-A2060 will have the 3D angle measurement.
The RX-A3060 will have the ability to use the Yamaha DSPs with Atmos/DTS:X like the CX-A5100.
The RX-A3060 will have a better YPAO.

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What does it mean "9.2 channel equalizer"?
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What does it mean "9.2 channel equalizer"?
Looks like:

(1) the A1060 is limited to 7.2 channel processing and can only do 5.1.2 Atmos setup;
(2) the A2060 is limited to 9.2 channel processing and can do either 7.1.2/5.1.4 Atmos setup; and
(3) only the A3060 has the full 11.2 channel processing and can do the 7.1.4 Atmos setup.

Wondering if Yamaha has the flexibility of the user choosing any two of the five non-adjacent ceiling speakers placements? I.e. say front height + top middle for those who have their listening position against the back wall. Believe the previously generation made the ceiling to be at fixed patterns.
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Looks like:

(1) the A1060 is limited to 7.2 channel processing and can only do 5.1.2 Atmos setup;
(2) the A2060 is limited to 9.2 channel processing and can do either 7.1.2/5.1.4 Atmos setup; and
(3) only the A3060 has the full 11.2 channel processing and can do the 7.1.4 Atmos setup.

Wondering if Yamaha has the flexibility of the user choosing any two of the five non-adjacent ceiling speakers placements? I.e. say front height + top middle for those who have their listening position against the back wall. Believe the previously generation made the ceiling to be at fixed patterns.
But it says equalizer. Not processing. And theres no mention of it with the 860 and 660.
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