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*Official* Marantz 2016 NR1607, SR5011/6011/7011 owner's thread

Welcome to the Marantz 2016 receivers thread!

Well it's that time of the year again when Marantz starts to unveil their line up for 2016.

Starting in May and continuing into the fall, new receivers for their slim line series as well as the full height receivers will be announced and become available to purchase.

This is a master thread for the new 2016 Marantz receivers models. Similar to the 2015 Marantz thread owner's (or potential owners) can post their questions in a single master thread.

Moving things along, imagic has let the cat out of the bag by letting people know about the new 2016 slimline model revealed by Marantz the First 2016 Marantz AVR Unveiled: NR1607 Slim Design thread.

So what are we expecting for 2016? All 2016 models will now have Atmos and DTS:X in various speaker configurations.
[Edit]: New Audyssey MultiEQ Editor App (extra $20) is available on here: http://us.marantz.com/us/Products/Pa...ultEQEditorApp

One new 7-channel slim line receiver with model number NR1607 with Dobly Atmos 5.1.2 speaker configuration. The 5-channel slimline receiver (NR1506) is a carry over from 2015 and remains current for 2016. Details of which are below.

Three new full height receivers with model numbers SR5011, SR6011 and SR7011.

A new thread is available for the 2016 pre/pro called AV7703 here: Official Marantz AV7703 Thread

As more details of each model are released, the 1st page of this thread will be up-dated accordingly.

General notes for posting in this thread.

If this is your first visit to this thread, and you want to ask a question about one of the 2016 Marantz models, either one that you own or one that you are thinking of buying, please provide the following information to allow for better responses to your questions:

(a) Identify the model number in question (eg. SR5011), as there are 5 different models (NR and SR series) discussed in this thread. Also if you have not posted in several days since your initial post, please post the model # again so we don't have to back track to learn which model you are referencing.

(b) Identify what you've done so far to troubleshoot the issue and what the front panel is displaying if an audio issue, (also take a few minutes to review the Troubleshooting section provided in post number 3 of the 2016 Denon thread as the Marantz models are similar in nature and your question may already be answered there),

(c) Unless you indicate what settings have been changed, the assumption will be that all settings are on the factory defaults (ie. usually "Auto"),

(d) If the advice given seems to simplistic or obvious, don't shoot the advice giver as we have no idea of the level of your technical understanding,

(e) If there is no response to your post, it either means no one knows the answer or it has simply been overlooked so please repost if you still haven't resolved your issue,

(f) If you post a question in this thread and are given advice and either it or some other advice (eg. Marantz phone support, Marantz "Ask a Question" email support) resolves your issue, have the common courtesy to post back what solution resolved your issue so others can learn from it as well,

(g) If the issue is not user error or not just a misunderstanding on how the AVR works, please call Marantz support so the issue is registered,

(h) When responding to another post that is providing assistance to you, please press the "Quote" button in the lower right corner of that other poster's response so that response is also listed with your new post to provide some context, and,

(i) If you don't live in either the USA or Canada, please either indicate your country location in your profile or your post as some Marantz models from other regions in the world differ in configuration from their USA/Canada counterparts otherwise responses made will be regarding the USA/Canada models.
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NR1506 slimline receiver

Post 2 reserved for Marantz NR1506 slim line receiver. This is a carry over from 2015. MSRP USD$499

Back panel picture of unit.


Specifications

Spoiler!


DAC used is TI Burr Brown 1690 as advised by jdsmoothie in 2015 Marantz thread post number 258 & 264.


Owner's manual of the NR1506 from US website is here: http://us.marantz.com/us/Products/Pa...oductId=NR1506


The NR1506 is a 2015 model that is being carried over to 2016. Comparison to previous model (NR1504) are:
  • ECO mode
  • Smart Select
  • Wireless WiFi and Bluetooth that's built-in
  • HDCP 2.2
  • HDMI 2.0a (HDR)
  • WiFi - 802.11n
  • New iOS/Android 2016 Marantz Remote app (available now for Android and iOS)
  • DSD and AIFF audio file support
  • Spotify connect
  • Channel level and tone adjustments for each input source

Discrete Network chip reset (no settings lost).
1 - With the AVR powered ON, select "Online Music" as the input source.
2 - Simultaneously press/hold the NR1506 "DIMMER" + "SOUND MODE" buttons on the front panel
3 - Hold the buttons for a few seconds until the display reads "Network Restart" and then release the buttons.

Try the above first when experiencing network issues before doing the full reset below (which would result in the lose of all user settings as well as the Audyssey EQ).

Resetting the NR1506. Note that for microprocessor and network reset, all user and Audyssey setup settings will be wiped out. The SAVE/LOAD configuration steps should be performed beforehand to save user and Audyssey settings.

(1) Soft reset. Un-plug the power chord for approximately 10 minutes.

(2) Microprocessor reset. Also known as the factory reset.
  • Turn OFF the unit
  • Turn ON the unit and simultaneously press the M-DAX and TUNER PRESET CH+ buttons.
  • Wait until the display shows "Initialized", then release the two buttons.

(3) Network Reset (includes microprocessor reset, ie. all settings restored to factory default).
  • Turn OFF the unit
  • Turn ON the unit and simultaneously press the TUNER PRESET CH+ and INTERNET RADIO buttons.
  • Wait until the display starts flashing in 1 second intervals, then release the two buttons.

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Marantz NR1607

Post 3 reserved for Marantz NR1607 slim line receiver. MSRP USD$699

Back panel picture of unit.


Specifications
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Owner's manual of the NR1607 from US website is here: http://www.us.marantz.com/us/Product...oductId=NR1607

DAC used is most probably the TI Burr Brown 1690.

What's new in the 2016 model compared to previous model (NR1606)?
  • Not much
  • DSD at 5.6Mhz
  • 5GHz frequency support under WiFi (now dual band)
  • New Auddysey remote app (a paid up-grade that will allow the user to check correction results, set target sound options, adjust frequency roll-off, set mid-range compensation controls and save, load, view and print results.)
  • RC Source Select (allows changing of an HDMI standby pass through source while the AVR is in Standby mode - 2015 and older models require powering on the AVR to change the pass through source)

DTS:X with Neural:X upmixer firmware update released October 4, 2016.

Discrete Network chip reset (no settings lost).
1 - With the AVR powered ON, select "Online Music" as the input source.
2 - Simultaneously press/hold the NR1607 "DIMMER" + "SOUND MODE" buttons on the front panel
3 - Hold the buttons for a few seconds until the display reads "Network Restart" and then release the buttons.

Try the above first when experiencing network issues before doing the full reset below (which would result in the lose of all user settings as well as the Audyssey EQ).

Resetting the NR1607. Note that for microprocessor and full network reset, all user and Audyssey setup settings will be wiped out. The SAVE/LOAD configuration steps should be performed beforehand to save user and Audyssey settings.
(1) Soft reset. Un-plug the power chord for approximately 10 minutes.

(2) Microprocessor reset. Also known as the factory reset.
Turn OFF the unit
Turn ON the unit and simultaneously press the M-DAX and ZONE 2 SOURCE buttons.
Wait until the display shows "Initialized", then release the two buttons.

(3) Network Reset (includes microprocessor reset, ie. all settings restored to factory default).
Turn OFF the unit
Turn ON the unit and simultaneously press the ZONE 2 SOURCE and INTERNET RADIO buttons.
Wait until the display starts flashing in 1 second intervals, then release the two buttons.

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Marantz SR5011

Post 4 reserved for Marantz SR5011 full height receiver. MSRP USD$899.

Back panel picture of unit.


Specifications
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DAC used is most probably the TI Burr Brown 1690.

Owner's manual of the SR5011 from US website is here: http://us.marantz.com/us/Products/Pa...oductId=SR5011

imagic has provided preliminary details with an expected release date in July 2016 in the following thread: Marantz Rolls Out SR5011 7.2-Channel AVR

What's new in the 2016 model compared to previous model (SR5010)?
  • Not much
  • DSD at 5.6Mhz
  • 5GHz frequency support under WiFi (now dual band)
  • New Audyssey remote app (a paid up-grade that will allow the user to check correction results, set target sound options, adjust frequency roll-off, set mid-range compensation controls and save, load, view and print results.)
  • RC Source Select (allows changing of an HDMI standby pass through source while the AVR is in Standby mode - 2015 and older models require powering on the AVR to change the pass through source)

DTS:X with Neural:X upmixer firmware update released October 4, 2016.

Discrete Network chip reset (no settings lost).
1 - With the AVR powered ON, select "Online Music" as the input source.
2 - Simultaneously press/hold the SR-5011 "TUNER PRESET CH" + "/STATUS" buttons on the front panel
3 - Hold the buttons for a few seconds until the display reads "Network Restart" and then release the buttons.

Try the above first when experiencing network issues before doing the full reset below (which would result in the lose of all user settings as well as the Audyssey EQ).

Resetting the SR5011. Note that for microprocessor and full network reset, all user and Audyssey setup settings will be wiped out. The SAVE/LOAD configuration steps should be performed beforehand to save user and Audyssey settings.

(1) Soft reset. Un-plug the power chord for approximately 10 minutes.

(2) Microprocessor reset. Also known as the factory reset.
Turn OFF the unit
Turn ON the unit and simultaneously press the M-DAX and ZONE 2 SOURCE buttons.
Wait until the display shows "Initialized", then release the two buttons.

(3) Network Reset (includes microprocessor reset, ie. all settings restored to factory default).
Turn OFF the unit
Turn ON the unit and simultaneously press the ZONE 2 ON/OFF and ZONE 2 SOURCE buttons.
Wait until the display starts flashing in 1 second intervals, then release the two buttons.
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Marantz SR6011

Post 5 reserved for Marantz SR6011 full height receiver. MSRP $1,399.

Back panel of unit:

Specifications
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DAC used is most likely the TI Burr Brown 1690 .

Owner's manual of the SR6011 from US website is here: http://us.marantz.com/us/products/pa...oductId=SR6011

No internal cooling fan as reported by jdsmoothie in 2015 Marantz thread post number 2,428.

imagic has provided preliminary details with an expected release date in September 2016 in the following thread:Marantz Announces SR6011 11.2-Channel AVR

What's new in the 2016 model compared to previous model (SR6010)?
  • Can process up to 11.1 channels!
  • Has nine internal amps!
  • DSD at 5.6Mhz
  • 5GHz frequency support under WiFi (now dual band)
  • New Audyssey remote app (a paid up-grade that will allow the user to check correction results, set target sound options, adjust frequency roll-off, set mid-range compensation controls and save, load, view and print results.)
  • RC Source Select (allows changing of an HDMI standby pass through source while the AVR is in Standby mode - 2015 and older models require powering on the AVR to change the pass through source)
  • Cannot do Audyssey DSX or Front Wide speakers.

DTS:X with Neural:X upmixer firmware update released October 4, 2016.

Discrete Network chip reset (no settings lost).
1 - With the AVR powered ON, select "Online Music" as the input source.
2 - Simultaneously press/hold the SR-6011 "TUNER PRESET CH" + "/STATUS" buttons on the front panel
3 - Hold the buttons for a few seconds until the display reads "Network Restart" and then release the buttons.

Try the above first when experiencing network issues before doing the full reset below (which would result in the lose of all user settings as well as the Audyssey EQ).

Resetting the SR6011. Note that for microprocessor and network reset, all user and Audyssey setup settings will be wiped out. The SAVE/LOAD configuration steps should be performed beforehand to save user and Audyssey settings.

(1) Soft reset. Un-plug the power chord for approximately 10 minutes.

(2) Microprocessor reset. Also known as the factory reset.
Turn OFF the unit
Turn ON the unit and simultaneously press the M-DAX and ZONE 2 SOURCE buttons.
Wait until the display shows "Initialized", then release the two buttons.

(3) Network Reset (includes microprocessor reset, ie. all settings restored to factory default).
Turn OFF the unit
Turn ON the unit and simultaneously press the ZONE 2 ON/OFF and ZONE 2 SOURCE buttons.
Wait until the display starts flashing in 1 second intervals, then release the two buttons.

For those interested in having external amps to power the main floor speakers and utilize the internal amps to power the Atmos height/ceiling speakers. In 2015 Marantz thread post number 364, jdsmoothie gave the following manual amp assign details:
Amp Assign: 11.1
Height Speakers: 4 Height Speakers
Height Layout: TF + TR (or whatever height speaker positions you are using)
Wide/HT 2: Top Rear (or whatever 2nd height speaker position you are using)
Pre-out: Front

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Marantz SR7011

Post 6 reserved for Marantz SR7011 full height receiver. MSRP $2,199.

imagic has provided preliminary details in the following thread: Marantz Announces SR7011 AVR and AV7703 AV Processor jdsmoothie advised an expected release date in mid-October 2016

Back panel of unit:

Specifications
Spoiler!


Single internal fan as reported by jdsmoothie in 2015 Marantz thread post number 2,428.

Owner's manual for the SR7011 is available from Marantz US website here: http://us.marantz.com/us/Products/Pa...oductId=SR7011

Separate settings for 2-channel playback in direct and stereo modes available. Auto (default) will use Audyssey auto calibration settings. With manual, a number of parameters are available to adjust the sound to taste. Details given in 2015 Marantz thread post number 1,310 by jdsmoothie.

Sound and Vision has carried out bench tests for the SR7010 is here: http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...fuJt309TQHt.97
Most likely the 2016 SR7011 internal amps have similar bench test results as the previous generation and these are shown below.
2 Channels Continuously Driven, 8-Ohm Loads: 0.1% THD=128.7 watts, 1.0% THD=168.8 watts
2 Channels Continuously Driven, 4-Ohm Loads: 0.1% THD=201.7 watts, 1.0% THD=235.3 watts
5 Channels Continuously Driven, 8-Ohm Loads: 0.1% THD=84.3 watts, 1.0% THD=113.1 watts
7 Channels Continuously Driven, 8-Ohm Loads: 0.1% THD=83.2 watts, 1.0% THD= 103.4 watts

What's new in the 2016 model compared to previous model (SR7010)?
  • HEOS wireless multi-room sound system
  • Extended bluetooth range via version 3.0 + EDR
  • DSD at 5.6Mhz
  • 5GHz frequency support under WiFi (now dual band)
  • New Audyssey remote app (a paid up-grade that will allow the user to check correction results, set target sound options, adjust frequency roll-off, set mid-range compensation controls and save, load, view and print results.)
  • RC Source Select (allows changing of an HDMI standby pass through source while the AVR is in Standby mode - 2015 and older models require powering on the AVR to change the pass through source)
  • Cannot do Audyssey DSX or Front Wide speakers.

DTS:X with Neural:X upmixer firmware installed at the factory.

Discrete Network chip reset (no settings lost).
1 - With the AVR powered ON, select "Online Music" as the input source.
2 - Simultaneously press/hold the SR7011 "BACK" + "ENTER" buttons on the front panel
3 - Hold the buttons for a few seconds until the display reads "Network Restart" and then release the buttons.

Try the above first when experiencing network issues before doing the full reset below (which would result in the lose of all user settings as well as the Audyssey EQ).

Resetting the SR7011. Note that for microprocessor and network reset, all user and Audyssey setup settings will be wiped out. The SAVE/LOAD configuration steps should be performed beforehand to save user and Audyssey settings.

(1) Soft reset. Un-plug the power chord for approximately 10 minutes.

(2) Microprocessor reset. Also known as the factory reset.
Turn OFF the unit
Turn ON the unit and simultaneously press the GAME and A-DSX buttons.
Wait until the display shows "Initialized", then release the two buttons.

(3) Network Reset (includes microprocessor reset, ie. all settings restored to factory default).
Turn OFF the unit
Turn ON the unit and simultaneously press the MOVIE and MUSIC buttons.
Wait until the display starts flashing in 1 second intervals, then release the two buttons.

For those interested in powering the floor speakers with external amps and utilizing the internal amps of the SR7011 to power the Atmos/ceiling height speakers, jdsmoothie has given the following manual amp assign configuration in 2015 Marantz thread post number 364:
Amp Assign: 11.1
Height Speakers: 4 Height Speakers
Height Layout: TF + TR (or whatever height speaker positions you are using)
Wide/HT 2: Top Rear (or whatever 2nd height speaker position you are using)
Pre-out: Front

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Post links to other threads that Marantz owners may find useful.

(1) LFE+Main setting explained by AVS member Selden Ball. Post number 263 of Marantz AV7703 thread.

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Since Marantz and Denon are owned by the same parent holding company, a lot of the features available in the 2016 Denon models are replicated to Marantz models.

jdsmoothie and batpig has started the 2016 Denon thread. Many questions related to features, settings, set-up of the Martanz receivers and pre/pro can be found in the 1st page of the 2016 Denon thread here: The "OFFICIAL" 2016 Denon "S-Series" / "X-Series" AVR Owner's Thread + FAQ

I'll just refer everyone to the good work that jdsmoothie and batpig have already done.

If you're looking to purchase a Marantz receiver (or any Denon/Marantz gear), AVS is an authorized dealer. Call jdsmoothie on 585-645-1006 for competitive quote.

Firmware up-dates: in post number 15 by jdsmoothie for up-dates to Marantz firmware.

For first time user of Audyssey, AVS member Keith Barnes has written an FAQ and a step by step guide here: "Official" Audyssey thread (FAQ in post #51779)

An in depth technical addendum to explain the differences between Audyssey XT32 and the lower versions is given here: "Official" Audyssey thread (FAQ in post #51779)

The SAVE/LOAD feature for the Marantz receivers is the same as that on the Denon models. jdsmoothie has given the step by step guide to carrying out a configuration SAVE onto the PC and verification of non-zero file using a hex editor in post number 4 of the 2015 Denon thread using IE. Chrome/Firefox browser SAVE/LOAD is given in post number 2,775 in the 2013 Denon thread.

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Known issues with 2016 Marantz units

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(1) Dolby Vision support for the 2016 Marantz models are not expected to be available until early 2018 as advised by jdsmoothie in post number 1,246.

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Wish list items for 2016 Marantz line-up

Items that would be good for the Marantz 2016 line-up.

(1) Return of Dolby Pro-Logic II for up-sampling 2-channel music to multi-speakers on the floor for all models.
(2) Implementation of DarbeeVision Visual Presence processing as detailed in the video within the following thread: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/138-av...l#post43857370. Can be a paid up-grade similar to Auro 3D for the higher end models with sufficient video processing power.
(3) Saving to memory more than one Audyssey calibration and the ability to instantly switch with the remote. I.e use of quick select
(4) Ability to select individually which channels gets / not get Audyssey processing. Currently limited to front left/right channels. Or Audyssey OFF.
(5) Ability to adjust the Audyssey target curve to suite one's personal room and taste. This has taken of with the new Audyssey app ($20 extra cost).
(6) Minimize thermal heat generated by the HDMI boards. I.e. run cooler and lower energy use.
(7) Current limiter/protection for the 12V transistor trigger outputs.
(8) Fix video processor bug associated with banding and if the source is from PC source, causes blurry text.
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I wonder if the SR5011 will lose analogue video to HDMI upscaling like the Denons did. If that's the case then the one to get is the SR5010 which not only has all the important stuff like Atmos, HDCP 2.2, and HDMI 2.0a, but also that analogue to 1080p upscaling for HDMI output.
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Firmware Update Information for the 2016 Marantz NR/SR models


(1) Firmware updates for all 2016 models should be available via Marantz's website and can be downloaded and installed via USB thumb drive. You will need to enter the serial number of the AVR at the website page to obtain the update.

(2) Firmware updates can also be installed by the owner via an internet connection to the Marantz servers. Although it's not necessary to update your unit if you are not experiencing any problems, it's generally a good idea to keep it updated so that if there are any problems with the update the unit will still be covered under warranty. The update process generally doesn't take more than 30 minutes once the download begins and also generally does not erase any settings, although it's always a good idea to SAVE the settings config.dat file using the Web Control feature prior to doing the update just in case. Note that if the update process is stuck on "Authenticating", ensure a source other than NET/USB is selected and just let it continue for up to a few hours and it should eventually begin the update process (although note that Marantz's servers have been known to crash the first day of release due to the overload, so you may want to wait a few days before trying again). Some have noted that rather than selecting the "Check for Update", instead simply selecting the "Start Update" will avoid the "Authenticating" issue. One prior model year owner found that disconnecting ALL sources to the AVR enabled the unit to connect to the Marantz servers and update the firmware when the update process had previously been unsuccessful.

Other tips if having problems with the update include setting "Network Standby/IP Control/Network" to OFF, cycling the DHCP setting on the AVR, or using a static IP address.

During the update, the AVR will go into Standby mode, but will continue to update status on the front panel display. If the update seems to be hung up (ie. goes beyond 1 hour) ... power the AVR to Standby, unplug it for a few minutes and power back on and attempt the update again. If the update fails to load, check the network environment (ie. reset the router, replace the router with a more current/robust model, or ideally wire directly to the router if connecting wirelessly) If still not having any luck with the update, perform a Network Reset. You may also want to consider purchasing a long (100'+) Cat5/6 cable for network updates only for a higher probability of a successful install. Also note, that once the update has completed, there is no way of returning to an earlier version of firmware.

Networking model owners will be notified automatically when there is a firmware update when the AVR is turned ON as long as the Notification Update setting is set to ON (factory default). For more information refer to Setup - General - Firmware - Notifications -Update in your respective Owner's manual. To manually check for an update, refer to Setup - General - Firmware - Update - Check for Update.

(3) What is my unit's current firmware version? The current firmware version can be determined from the AVR's menu: Setup --> General --> Information --> Firmware Version.

(4) There are two firmware notification settings, both of which default to "ON" from the factory..... "Update" (fixes) and "Upgrade" (new feature). When either an "update" or "upgrade" is available the networking models will display a message alerting you to this "update" or "upgrade" every time you turn on the AVR. If you prefer not to install the update/upgrade, then simply change the appropriate setting at General --> Firmware --> Notifications ---> Update/Upgrade to OFF (factory default is ON) and it will go away.


This area will be used to track the change log of the firmware updates for 2016 NR/SR series models


SR7011
(Note: The DD/DTS cross-mix update comes pre-installed and there is no Pandora logon issue as the HEOS app is used to stream Pandora to the AVR)
1. 9/21/2017
- Dolby Vision
- Hybrid Log Gamma (HLG)

SR6011
1. 9/15/2016
- DD DSU on DTS audio
- DTS Neural:X on DD audio
- Pandora logon
2. 9/21/2017
- See SR7011 for this date

SR5011
1. 10/04/2016
- DD DSU on DTS audio
- DTS Neural:X on DD audio
- Pandora logon
2. 9/21/2017
- See SR7011 for this date

NR1607
1. 10/04/2016
- See SR5011 for this date
2. 9/21/2017
- See SR7011 for this date

NR1506
1. 7/22/2015
- Allow unit to work with the remote app
2. 9/6/2016
- Pandora logon
2. 9/21/2017
- See SR7011 for this date


** NOTE: The change log information above is provided as is, without any further explanation and only when I am able to obtain it. If the information listed above doesn't make sense, please don't ask for clarification, as I have none.



Auro 3D/2D + Auro-Matic (simulates audio to height speakers from non-Auro BD/DVD) Upgrade instructions (USA models only)

Only the SR7011 and can be upgraded to Auro 3D/2D by following the instructions listed below:

1. Connect the unit to the internet.
2. Ensure the unit has the latest firmware update installed.
3. Using the GUI, select Upgrade now or go to GENERAL -- FIRMWARE -- ADD NEW FEATURE and write down the "Upgrade ID" listed on the display
4. Go to the Upgrade website at https://www.upgrade.marantz.com/na/m...ages/home.aspx
5. Complete the Auro 3D upgrade Personal form to include personal information, the unit's serial number (listed on back of unit or on original box), and the Upgrade ID obtained in step 3.
6. Enter credit card information - cost is $199 USD which will also include the Auro 3D Demo disk.
7. Once the card has been processed, the Auro 3D upgrade will be available to download to the unit (estimated download time - will vary depending on internet connection)


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(1) For those SR7011 owners not wanting to upgrade to Auro 3D at this time, you will be given the option to set Upgrade Notification to OFF on initial setup or you can go to SETUP -- GENERAL -- FIRMWARE -- NOTIFICATIONS -- UPGRADE and select OFF so you don't get the Upgrade notification each time the unit is powered ON. Note the "Upgrade" notification only applies to new features, while the "Update" notification applies to "fixes" which you want to leave set to ON.

(2) Additional information on Auro 3D/2D can be found in the Official Auro 3D thread.
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DTS:X with Neural:X upmixer and HDMI 2.0a (HDR) will be made available with a firmware up-date.
Doesn't the previous year's NR1606 already have HDMI 2.0a and HDR?
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Doesn't the previous year's NR1606 already have HDMI 2.0a and HDR?
The NR-1606 needs a firmware up-date (believe it will happen over the summer period) to get HDMI 2.0a and HDR, as well as HDCP 2.2.

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The NR-1606 needs a firmware up-date (believe it will happen over the summer period) to get HDMI 2.0a and HDR, as well as HDCP 2.2.
So once it has the update it should be able to do HDR as well as pass through BT.2020 and other stuff. Therefore the difference between NR1606 and NR1607 isn't all that much (as pointed out in post #3). Is this an accurate statement?

I asked Marantz what the differences between the two models were, specifically related to HDR and BT.2020 - but given that they would like to encourage sales of NR1607, I'm not holding my breath while they answer ...
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The NR-1606 needs a firmware up-date (believe it will happen over the summer period) to get HDMI 2.0a and HDR, as well as HDCP 2.2.
All of the 2015 and 2016 models already are HDMI 2.0a(HDR) and HDCP 2.2 capable. It is only the DTS:X update (August 2016) that is missing.
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Nothing about any 11ch amped receiver?

I was hoping that the 7011 would get that.
I could also accept if Marantz made a 4ch power amp, for the ceiling speakers, one that is priced less than their stereo power amp (at least less than that one is, in my country), with less power of course, but those channels would need less power for most people.
I assume that the Stereo power amp is better than using two of the SR7010 channels when used together with all 9channels. But adding a stereo power amp, feels strange to me. If I wanted to imrpove on the sound, in the fron channels, I would like that to include the center channel as well, so a 3 channel power amp would feel better to me. Also those are the 3 channels that tend to reqire most resources, so it seems like that would be a logic model for home theare users. As far a I know they don't have a matching mono-block either so you can't add 2+1 channel amplification.


I could see myself using another brand for all ceiling channels, but adding 4 channels of the cheapest hifi power-amp (2x stereo power amps) in my country would set me back almost as much as the stereo power amp from Marantz.
So that isn't worth it.
And the 6011 I assume will not get 11.1/11.2 channel processing, so I cant save some money there, to invest in power-amps for all the ceiling speakers.
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Nothing about any 11ch amped receiver?

I was hoping that the 7011 would get that.
I could also accept if Marantz made a 4ch power amp, for the ceiling speakers, one that is priced less than their stereo power amp (at least less than that one is, in my country), with less power of course, but those channels would need less power for most people.
I assume that the Stereo power amp is better than using two of the SR7010 channels when used together with all 9channels. But adding a stereo power amp, feels strange to me. If I wanted to imrpove on the sound, in the fron channels, I would like that to include the center channel as well, so a 3 channel power amp would feel better to me. Also those are the 3 channels that tend to reqire most resources, so it seems like that would be a logic model for home theare users. As far a I know they don't have a matching mono-block either so you can't add 2+1 channel amplification.


I could see myself using another brand for all ceiling channels, but adding 4 channels of the cheapest hifi power-amp (2x stereo power amps) in my country would set me back almost as much as the stereo power amp from Marantz.
So that isn't worth it.
And the 6011 I assume will not get 11.1/11.2 channel processing, so I cant save some money there, to invest in power-amps for all the ceiling speakers.

Not for 2016 no, and perhaps not for a few years.
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Nothing about any 11ch amped receiver?

I was hoping that the 7011 would get that.
I could also accept if Marantz made a 4ch power amp, for the ceiling speakers, one that is priced less than their stereo power amp (at least less than that one is, in my country), with less power of course, but those channels would need less power for most people.
I assume that the Stereo power amp is better than using two of the SR7010 channels when used together with all 9channels. But adding a stereo power amp, feels strange to me. If I wanted to imrpove on the sound, in the fron channels, I would like that to include the center channel as well, so a 3 channel power amp would feel better to me. Also those are the 3 channels that tend to reqire most resources, so it seems like that would be a logic model for home theare users. As far a I know they don't have a matching mono-block either so you can't add 2+1 channel amplification.


I could see myself using another brand for all ceiling channels, but adding 4 channels of the cheapest hifi power-amp (2x stereo power amps) in my country would set me back almost as much as the stereo power amp from Marantz.
So that isn't worth it.
And the 6011 I assume will not get 11.1/11.2 channel processing, so I cant save some money there, to invest in power-amps for all the ceiling speakers.
Have you investigated the used market in your country? Of course, people who use separate amps seldom have any reason to get rid of them. Another source is in professional audio. Professional amps often have noisy fans, but that can be compensated for.

Unfortunately, I think your assumptions about the limited power requirements of the overhead and surround channels may be mistaken. While the surrounds' average use is lower than the fronts', the peak sound levels are going to be similar for all of the speaker channels when playing modern movie soundtracks. If you don't provide adequate power, then those peaks are going to clip. Of course, the power requirements depend on the efficiency and impedance of the speakers you've chosen. Also, many people like to use amps that are more powerful than they actually need, so using less powerful ones for some channels usually is OK.

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Have you investigated the used market in your country? Of course, people who use separate amps seldom have any reason to get rid of them. Another source is in professional audio. Professional amps often have noisy fans, but that can be compensated for.

Unfortunately, I think your assumptions about the limited power requirements of the overhead and surround channels may be mistaken. While the surrounds' average use is lower than the fronts', the peak sound levels are going to be similar for all of the speaker channels when playing modern movie soundtracks. If you don't provide adequate power, then those peaks are going to clip. Of course, the power requirements depend on the efficiency and impedance of the speakers you've chosen. Also, many people like to use amps that are more powerful than they actually need, so using less powerful ones for some channels usually is OK.
The used market is probably OK. Perhaps not for pickung up a currrent Marantz power amplifier.
But people that are in to hifi here likes to update from time to time, and that include power amps.
But I prefer buying new with warranty.

Do pro amps use the same voltage, so that volume will be tracking?
If I'm not misstaken line level signal in pro equipment is different from RCA line level, but that might not be true for pre-outs.
Also I've heard that the 7010 has settings for the level of the outputs, so one might be matching.

The 7010 has a built in fan. I was dissapointed to find that out. I've seen that other makers uses fans, cause they have a fan grill on the back. But apparenty the 7010 has one inside.
And there are pro-amps without fans.
There is a bigger selection of pro-amps in the lower price bracket. But they look awfull. And they also have those annoying rack-ears, that I'm not sure always can be removed.
And they might be using other connectors, as RCA isn't really a standard for feeding pro-amps. Sometimes you can make adapters for other connectors, but I'm not that technical and not a wiz with the soldering iron, so I'm not confident that I can produce the adapters my self.


You are probably right, the speakers used for surround are probably not that much more effecient than the front speakers.

But mixing that much sound in to the surround speakers is perhaps not the best way to do it, if you want as many consumers as possible to invest in surround equipment, since the sound is only there for a few minutes in some films, it feels like overkill, to get the kind of speakers you need.
But when I read about Dolby Atmos ceiling speakers, I got the feeling that you could get away with lesser speakers.
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The used market is probably OK. Perhaps not for pickung up a currrent Marantz power amplifier.
But people that are in to hifi here likes to update from time to time, and that include power amps.
But I prefer buying new with warranty.

Do pro amps use the same voltage, so that volume will be tracking?
My understanding is that most pro amps with RCA inputs have the same sensitivity as home entertainment amps. All amps are linear, so the Audyssey calibration works for amps with different sensitivities and gains.
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I think you might be confusing XLR signal levels with RCA. XLRs tend to provide twice the signal level since they usually have the same signal levels on both their + and - connections. The signals on the two connections are added together in most amp designs.
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Also I've heard that the 7010 has settings for the level of the outputs, so one might be matching.
The trim level of each speaker channel can be adjusted, as can the sensitivity of each of the receiver's inputs.
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It does, but it turns on only at a very high temperature, so it might just as well have no fan. Many people like to provide quiet external fans which keep the AVR at a much lower temperature.
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There is a bigger selection of pro-amps in the lower price bracket. But they look awfull. And they also have those annoying rack-ears, that I'm not sure always can be removed.
And they might be using other connectors, as RCA isn't really a standard for feeding pro-amps. Sometimes you can make adapters for other connectors, but I'm not that technical and not a wiz with the soldering iron, so I'm not confident that I can produce the adapters my self.
Most Pro amps do use XLR connections. RCA to XLR adapters are readily available. You don't have to make your own.
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You are probably right, the speakers used for surround are probably not that much more effecient than the front speakers.

But mixing that much sound in to the surround speakers is perhaps not the best way to do it, if you want as many consumers as possible to invest in surround equipment, since the sound is only there for a few minutes in some films, it feels like overkill, to get the kind of speakers you need.
But when I read about Dolby Atmos ceiling speakers, I got the feeling that you could get away with lesser speakers.
You have to decide if you want to design your system for "most movies" or if you want it to work well for the most demanding ones, too.

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My understanding is that most pro amps with RCA inputs have the same sensitivity as home entertainment amps. All amps are linear, so the Audyssey calibration works for amps with different sensitivities and gains. I think you might be confusing XLR signal levels with RCA. XLRs tend to provide twice the signal level since they usually have the same signal levels on both their + and - connections. The signals on the two connections are added together in most amp designs. The trim level of each speaker channel can be adjusted, as can the sensitivity of each of the receiver's inputs. It does, but it turns on only at a very high temperature, so it might just as well have no fan. Many people like to provide quiet external fans which keep the AVR at a much lower temperature. Most Pro amps do use XLR connections. RCA to XLR adapters are readily available. You don't have to make your own. You have to decide if you want to design your system for "most movies" or if you want it to work well for the most demanding ones, too.
If the ones with RCA just works, that would make things a lot easier when looking for what is out there. Then I can just filter by RCA. Unfortunately it does decrease the selection.
The fact that the output can be made to work with different gains/sensitivites only works if the one that I am about to use, falls within that reach. I would not be surpriced if a consumer level product don't deliver the same output voltage as required by pro equipment. But pre-outs don't use high current, so there is really no logical reason.

Do you by any chance know if the outputs of the 7010 can be made to work as RCA level outputs (I'm investigating how to connect some active speaker systems to pre-outs of a suround receiver to be combined with passive speakers driven by the receiver, I understand that it won't get volume control over the speakers. Such a set-up would require volume testing and using only pre defined volume settings on speakers in combination with the receiver to get a matching result).


Line signals in Pro equipment is usually delivered by TRS or XLR, I didn't say Pro equipment with RCA connectors. I made a difference between pro equipment and RCA. I never doubt that the tape connectors on my mixer or the RCA connectors on one of my synths work if I connect them to a RCA input.

I don't fully understand how line level works. I tried to google it, but never found an article for newbies.


From my understanding the fan in the 7010 is not the most quiet model at it's size. And it is quite small, and larger fans tend be more quiet as they can spin slower for the same airflow.

The question should probably be how soon it turns of, cause during high load, there is usually a lot of sound going on, drowning the fan noise. But there is usually dramatic changes in dynamics so loud scenes/music is often followed by quieter parts.

But what's even worse in my case is my Tivo box. It's never fully in stand-by as from times it stars running to do recordings or to check things up. And since you can have it record episodes of a series, or keep the look-out for certain things, or you want to take advantage of it's smart recording features, where it records show that it thinks you will like, you cant turn it of on the main switch either.

When looking on films using my projector, I have no doubt that the fan in the projector would be louder than in a marantz. When using my TV in combination with surround sound, I would not feel that bothered if the fan started, I would use the projector for watching things I'm really invested in.

But I have to admit I like playing music in surround, even if it's "wrong", when it's not a surround recording.
And during music sessions I would like the room to be as silent as possible.
I've flac'ed my music collection. I have a fanless Intel Atom media PC right now, and will build a fanless media PC as soon as intel Core's graphics in combination with the motherboard can handle the full UltraHD BluRay specifications. And that one would use SSD. And my music collection will sit on a NAS in another room.
So there wont be any spinnings discs, fans or HDD that I can hear while listening to music, If I just find solution to get my tivo out of the room.


I know there are RCA to XLR adapters. I actually have some, that I bought just in case.
But I dont fully understand, because pretty much everytime I see stuff about making your own adaptors, for stuff from the music industry, they seem to contain things like resistors and stuff like that. I have never studied electrics, so I don't understand the math they post. Or understand how sometimes a lead can be left going nowhere.
But that still depends on if the voltage is compatible, from the output. If it is, well then the whole pro market is open.


But already most pre designed systems are designed with more capable speakers at the front (sure there is a chance that the ones with equaly small speakers for each channel outsells other kind of systems, but looking on what's on offer, most have more capable speakers in the front).
So one could expect sound designers to understand that, and not put that much heavy sound in surround speakers. Designing with the LFE in mind, it should be possible to create sounds that sound convincing enough when moving from the front, without the audience need to be surrounded with speakers that are all good enough to be main speakers just for a few scenes in action heavy films.

With Atmos we have gotten a new channel naming convention, but perhaps we should have had a better one from the start.
2 (full range front speakers, that then also works for stereo music) .1 (center channel a capable speaker that should at least be able to hold its own to a cutoff at 80Hz) . 2/4 (non full range surround channels that rely on the LFE for the bottom end but then has a frequency gap, so the speakers could be designed cheaper and without the need to redirect the bass within frequencies that are actual directional to our hearing to the subwoofer) .1 (the subwoofer) or perhaps it should be .LFE or.1LFE since sound designers don't use more than one LFE, that way the new Atmos speakers could be added before the LFE channel in the naming without confusion, if you know that the LFE is at the end of it all.
There is not point of having too much happening with sound in the room, as you wont be able to see the things that are not on the screen. So all surround channels are actually just FX channels, and treating them as such would make sense.
At least until there are VR movies, but I doubt we will se that many films that allow the viewer to turn it's head at any given moment to investigate any enviromental or FX sound coming from surround speakers. And few prople would probably sit with VR glasses while listening to sound from speakers in the room.


I'm now going for a system that has pretty capable speakers in all positions.
But I'm just saying that they should have thought differently.
With smaller FX speakers, they could have sold systems with more speakers to more people. The speakers would have been more discrete, easier to place in the right position, and much easier to mount in the ceiling, if they didn't need special brackets or holder, but could just hang on a single screw.
And the smaller the speaker the easier to make them in to a design objects. Objects that could perhaps been the kind of thing people would accept in their homes.
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If the ones with RCA just works, that would make things a lot easier when looking for what is out there. Then I can just filter by RCA. Unfortunately it does decrease the selection.
The fact that the output can be made to work with different gains/sensitivites only works if the one that I am about to use, falls within that reach. I would not be surpriced if a consumer level product don't deliver the same output voltage as required by pro equipment. But pre-outs don't use high current, so there is really no logical reason.

Do you by any chance know if the outputs of the 7010 can be made to work as RCA level outputs (I'm investigating how to connect some active speaker systems to pre-outs of a suround receiver to be combined with passive speakers driven by the receiver, I understand that it won't get volume control over the speakers. Such a set-up would require volume testing and using only pre defined volume settings on speakers in combination with the receiver to get a matching result).
The 7010 includes a full set of 13 line-level preamp outputs on RCA connections (plus stereo outputs for Zones 2 and 3). As you say, the gain control on the speakers would have to be set to a fixed level. If you want a preamp/processor with the same capabilities and with XLR outputs, you should consider the AV7702 MkII. It does cost somewhat more than the SR7010 when purchased outside the US, but only about half as much as the AV8802A.

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Line signals in Pro equipment is usually delivered by TRS or XLR, I didn't say Pro equipment with RCA connectors. I made a difference between pro equipment and RCA. I never doubt that the tape connectors on my mixer or the RCA connectors on one of my synths work if I connect them to a RCA input.

I don't fully understand how line level works. I tried to google it, but never found an article for newbies.
Line level just means it outputs a signal voltage that's typically in the range of +/- 2 Volts or so (perhaps with a maximum of as much as 8 Volts), not the 90 Volts used to directly drive passive speakers.
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From my understanding the fan in the 7010 is not the most quiet model at it's size. And it is quite small, and larger fans tend be more quiet as they can spin slower for the same airflow.

The question should probably be how soon it turns of, cause during high load, there is usually a lot of sound going on, drowning the fan noise. But there is usually dramatic changes in dynamics so loud scenes/music is often followed by quieter parts.
The temperature at which the 7010's internal fan turns on is so high that it never turns on during normal use.
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But what's even worse in my case is my Tivo box. It's never fully in stand-by as from times it stars running to do recordings or to check things up. And since you can have it record episodes of a series, or keep the look-out for certain things, or you want to take advantage of it's smart recording features, where it records show that it thinks you will like, you cant turn it of on the main switch either.

When looking on films using my projector, I have no doubt that the fan in the projector would be louder than in a marantz. When using my TV in combination with surround sound, I would not feel that bothered if the fan started, I would use the projector for watching things I'm really invested in.

But I have to admit I like playing music in surround, even if it's "wrong", when it's not a surround recording.
And during music sessions I would like the room to be as silent as possible.
I've flac'ed my music collection. I have a fanless Intel Atom media PC right now, and will build a fanless media PC as soon as intel Core's graphics in combination with the motherboard can handle the full UltraHD BluRay specifications. And that one would use SSD. And my music collection will sit on a NAS in another room.
So there wont be any spinnings discs, fans or HDD that I can hear while listening to music, If I just find solution to get my tivo out of the room.


I know there are RCA to XLR adapters. I actually have some, that I bought just in case.
But I dont fully understand, because pretty much everytime I see stuff about making your own adaptors, for stuff from the music industry, they seem to contain things like resistors and stuff like that. I have never studied electrics, so I don't understand the math they post. Or understand how sometimes a lead can be left going nowhere.
But that still depends on if the voltage is compatible, from the output. If it is, well then the whole pro market is open.


But already most pre designed systems are designed with more capable speakers at the front (sure there is a chance that the ones with equaly small speakers for each channel outsells other kind of systems, but looking on what's on offer, most have more capable speakers in the front).
So one could expect sound designers to understand that, and not put that much heavy sound in surround speakers. Designing with the LFE in mind, it should be possible to create sounds that sound convincing enough when moving from the front, without the audience need to be surrounded with speakers that are all good enough to be main speakers just for a few scenes in action heavy films.
Sound designers design the soundtracks to meet the requirements of the movie and the director's instructions. It's up to you to provide an appropriate sound system.
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With Atmos we have gotten a new channel naming convention, but perhaps we should have had a better one from the start.
2 (full range front speakers, that then also works for stereo music) .1 (center channel a capable speaker that should at least be able to hold its own to a cutoff at 80Hz) . 2/4 (non full range surround channels that rely on the LFE for the bottom end but then has a frequency gap, so the speakers could be designed cheaper and without the need to redirect the bass within frequencies that are actual directional to our hearing to the subwoofer) .1 (the subwoofer) or perhaps it should be .LFE or.1LFE since sound designers don't use more than one LFE, that way the new Atmos speakers could be added before the LFE channel in the naming without confusion, if you know that the LFE is at the end of it all.
There is not point of having too much happening with sound in the room, as you wont be able to see the things that are not on the screen. So all surround channels are actually just FX channels, and treating them as such would make sense.
That was true at one time, but is misleading today. Gravity is an example of a modern movie which has people's voices coming from all directions. If all of the speaker designs aren't very similar to one another, the voices will seem to change as their directions change. This can be quite distracting. Modern roomEQ software products make different speakers sound very similar to one another, but they aren't perfect. Also, some music discs, for example, are designed to place the listener within the musical group, not out in the audience.
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At least until there are VR movies, but I doubt we will se that many films that allow the viewer to turn it's head at any given moment to investigate any enviromental or FX sound coming from surround speakers. And few prople would probably sit with VR glasses while listening to sound from speakers in the room.


I'm now going for a system that has pretty capable speakers in all positions.
But I'm just saying that they should have thought differently.
With smaller FX speakers, they could have sold systems with more speakers to more people. The speakers would have been more discrete, easier to place in the right position, and much easier to mount in the ceiling, if they didn't need special brackets or holder, but could just hang on a single screw.
And the smaller the speaker the easier to make them in to a design objects. Objects that could perhaps been the kind of thing people would accept in their homes.
Many speaker companies do make speakers designed to be fashion objects, just as many make speakers designed to be bi-amped. Just because they're available and usable doesn't mean they're optimal.

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D&M Europe has shown their upcoming (Denon/Marantz) products at some conference:
www . areadvd.de/tests/info-special-performance-is-everything-die-denon-marantz-und-heos-neuheiten-von-der-european-dealer-conference-2016/

Can someone figure out from that article differences between SR-6010 and SR-6011? Looking forward to buy one of them.
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Well it looks like a new AVP coming out in 2016 - AV7703.

Translation from the link above : :The new precursor AV7703 is equipped with balanced XLR wiring and provides up to 11.2 Processing . 8 x HDMI In and 3 x HDMI -out, the already described above HEOS module and Dolby Atmos / DTS : Decoding X are other features . The precursor is explicitly doing that DSD in 2.8 and 5.6 MHz and FLAC , ALAC , AIFF and WAV are supported , which are likely the other models of Denon and Marantz also dominate . The AV7703 is only available in black. For SR7011 and AV7703 also an Auro - 3D is to have update . For the SR6001 this option is not available ."

Thanks for the link!
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Well it looks like a new AVP coming out in 2016 - AV7703.

Translation from the link above : :The new precursor AV7703 is equipped with balanced XLR wiring and provides up to 11.2 Processing . 8 x HDMI In and 3 x HDMI -out, the already described above HEOS module and Dolby Atmos / DTS : Decoding X are other features . The precursor is explicitly doing that DSD in 2.8 and 5.6 MHz and FLAC , ALAC , AIFF and WAV are supported , which are likely the other models of Denon and Marantz also dominate . The AV7703 is only available in black. For SR7011 and AV7703 also an Auro - 3D is to have update . For the SR6001 this option is not available ."

Thanks for the link!
All of which features are the same as in the 2015 xx10 models. My understanding is that one of the major new features is dual-band WiFi.
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I guess the xo11 series are more of a small shuffle forward rather than a quantum leap.. keeping my 7010

And my fan hasn't come on, or it's so quiet, I haven't heard it
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