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The Official Rotel RAP-1580 Amplified Processor Thread



It looks like Rotel is back in play. They will be introducing their new RAP-1580 Amplified Processor at the 2016 CEDIA Show. Rumor has it, that it will be available in November 2016.
It's an all in one solution for those who want "separates" performance, but lack the space to accommodate multiple boxes.

Rotel continues to shun auto room correction technology, however, the 10 band parametric EQ (PEQ) is still the preference. Wolfson DAC's for all channels, HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 w/ support for 4K video processing.

The RAP-1580 also comes with Dolby Atmos 7.1.4 capability and also has DTS:X badging. I'm assuming a firmware update will be available at a later date.

Official pricing has yet to be announced, but expect a $3500.00 MSRP. Pretty steep for an AVR,..... oops, I meant an All in one solution or should we say, an Amplified processor.

Rotel RAP-1580 7.1.4 Integrated Surround Amplifier Processor

RAP-1580 is the ideal home theater solution for those who don’t have space for separate components, yet still desire uncompromising performance. It is an ultra-high-performance multichannel, integrated amplifier with surround processing that brings music and movies to life in a startlingly vivid way. Sporting the latest HDMI2.0a hardware and Dolby Atmos 7.1.4 processing, its amplifier section is built upon a powerful linear design with 7 x 100 watts per channel, all channels driven into 8 ohms, anchored by a massive Rotel-made toroidal transformer. While it may be compared to ordinary AVRs, it really is in a class by itself. Please hook it up to your best speakers in stereo and listen for yourself. RAP-1580 utilizes high performance Wolfson 24bit/192kHz DACs for all channels. These low noise, audiophile quality DACs are supported with premium-grade audio parts in circuits tuned by Rotel’s acoustic engineering team in the U.K. Inputs include 8 x HDMI video inputs with 2 x HDMI video outputs all supporting 4K video, with 3 of these inputs and both outputs enabled with HDCP 2.2. There is a seven-inch TFT display on the front panel to provide easy adjustments to all audio and video parameters without the need to turn on the television or video projection system. This makes it ideal for set-ups when the equipment rack is located separately from the video display. A full suite of integration features are also on board. Other features include a front panel HDMI input with 4K video pass-through, front panel iPod USB input with 2.1A charging and integrated APTX enabled Bluetooth technology for higher fidelity. The RAP-1580 also includes a PC-USB input supporting 24 bit / 192kHz audio, a MM phono stage input, CD input, XLR balanced input, Tuner input, AUX analog input and multichannel input. Rack mount ears are included. Rotel's RAP-1580 is simple to operate, powerful, flexible and refined. It is a state-of-the-art single chassis audio/video component that outperforms most separates. In an age of deflationary pricing, RAP-1580 lets you step customers UP to a higher quality experience. Features: 6 Wolfson WM8740 24-bit / 192KHz HiFi DACs • Analog BYPASS mode for analog inputs passes audio directly to output w/ no DSP processing • 10 band parametric PEQ • 7 rear panel and 1 front panel HDMI 2.0a inputs capable of 4K video pass-through • 2 HDMI 4K video outputs (one with ARC) • HDMI Bypass when in standby allowing the HDMI from source to TV when RSP in standby mode • OSD setup and status on front TFT and HDMI out • PC-USB supporting 24-bit/192kHz audio • Front panel USB input supporting iOS devices with 2.1A charging • Phono stage input (MM) • CD, Tuner and Aux analog inputs • Multi Channel input • XLR Balanced input • Bluetooth with aptX • 3 source independent 12V trigger outputs • Wired IR Remote input • RS-232 interface for automation system control • IP Network interface for automation system control • 2 IR Output connectors for IR pass-through • 4U cabinet • Finishes - Silver and Black • Dimensions (W x H x D) 431 x 192 x 470 mm , 17 x 7 5/9 x 18 1/2 in • Weight (net) 22.8 kg / 50.27 lbs • Rack mount included.

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How can that be sold as an all in one solution if it only amplify 7 of the 11 channels?
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It is an ultra-high-performance multichannel, integrated amplifier with surround processing that brings music and movies to life in a startlingly vivid way.
... so it must sound far superior to a :gasp: RECEIVER!
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According to Patrick Butler, our resident B&W Group North America Rep, the RAP-1580 will have both ATMOS & DTS:X functionality when it becomes available in November.

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The final product has been seen in various European shows last month, and according to what B&W said there, RAP-1580 should be released this month... Any official word on this?
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Hi pepelugil,

The RAP-1580 has begun shipping in small quantities in North America. The bulk of our inventory is being shipped from Rotel's factory, and we expect it to arrive by mid-April, if not sooner. I can't comment on availability in Europe, as I have no visibility into those markets.

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The final product has been seen in various European shows last month, and according to what B&W said there, RAP-1580 should be released this month... Any official word on this?
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Hi Patrick,

Ok, thanks for the info.

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Hi pepelugil,

The RAP-1580 has begun shipping in small quantities in North America. The bulk of our inventory is being shipped from Rotel's factory, and we expect it to arrive by mid-April, if not sooner. I can't comment on availability in Europe, as I have no visibility into those markets.

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Hello Patrick,

Have you sent any RAP-1580 to magazines so we could read its review soon, or should we wait for RAP-1580 being globally available before reviews could be done?

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Hello Patrick,

Have you sent any RAP-1580 to magazines so we could read its review soon, or should we wait for RAP-1580 being globally available before reviews could be done?

Greetings
I have one - will have to set it up and then check it out - you can see the rest of my setup in my signature, cheers.
Still trying to figure out how to do this sans auto-Eq.. the manual is a hard one to read..
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I have one - will have to set it up and then check it out - you can see the rest of my setup in my signature, cheers.
Still trying to figure out how to do this sans auto-Eq.. the manual is a hard one to read..
interested to read your review Pete

Btw Pete don't you have Rotel Power Amps?

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Yes, please share your experience with it and if it is possible, tell us how it performs compared to your RMB-1585 feeding your speakers directly from RAP-1580.
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Hi pepelugil,

I'm not aware of any RAP-1580 that are currently in review.

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Have you sent any RAP-1580 to magazines so we could read its review soon, or should we wait for RAP-1580 being globally available before reviews could be done?

Greetings
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interested to read your review Pete

Btw Pete don't you have Rotel Power Amps?
Yep I use the 1585 for the centre and surrounds.. but this amp isn't as user friendly as my current AVR or my previous Denon 7200, which allows almost any variation of the deployment of the internal amps.
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Yes, please share your experience with it and if it is possible, tell us how it performs compared to your RMB-1585 feeding your speakers directly from RAP-1580.
Yes over the weekend, I will see how it sounds.. in particular, I will see if the internal amps can drive the front power hungry three Dynaudios in full range, whilst being driven in anger
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Yes over the weekend, I will see how it sounds.. in particular, I will see if the internal amps can drive the front power hungry three Dynaudios in full range, whilst being driven in anger
Hi Pete can it run 7.1.4 through an external power amp ?

And I assume ROTEL only uses a parametric Eq? No sign of auto eq?
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yes to Atmos + DTS -X with external amps, nadda on Auto-EQ.
Highly Inflexible on the usage of internal amps and configuration options.
The menu is more primitive than my Reference Series SR 12 from 2004. Almost as heavy too.
Some number of amps, but it's not THX.

Will make some comments on the sound later this weekend.
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yes to Atmos + DTS -X with external amps, nadda on Auto-EQ.
Highly Inflexible on the usage of internal amps and configuration options.
The menu is more primitive than my Reference Series SR 12 from 2004. Almost as heavy too.
Some number of amps, but it's not THX.

Will make some comments on the sound later this weekend.
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So far, the Dyns have not cause the amp to shut down despite being driven in full range. But I have to give the volume dial a few more turns..
Everything is just a tad slower.. menu response, remote response etc..
But the configuration is one hair tearing experience... minimal options. Think of this as a nice power amp with a retro processor thrown in, think something from the late 2000s with the Atmos / DTS X probably added on as a last minute thing to cater to the masses.
But at 4500 Aussie clams, this won't be jostling for the same market as my current SR 7010..
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So far, the Dyns have not cause the amp to shut down despite being driven in full range. But I have to give the volume dial a few more turns..
Everything is just a tad slower.. menu response, remote response etc..
But the configuration is one hair tearing experience... minimal options. Think of this as a nice power amp with a retro processor thrown in, think something from the late 2000s with the Atmos / DTS X probably added on as a last minute thing to cater to the masses.
But at 4500 Aussie clams, this won't be jostling for the same market as my current SR 7010..
Wow didn't realise it was that much. I was think no auto Eq you will have to spend some more $$$ and add an external Eq like Dirac.
Though I like the look of if.
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Thanks Pete, I was expecting something without bells and whistles but maybe not so rudimentary... I'm still interested in its power capability and its rca multi input, otherwise I've already got an Arcam AVR550.
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And that is the menu interface...
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Will put together a review later on, but I had a good and yet poignant nice watching Aliens..

Lots of memories of a solid stand up chap: Bill Paxton:

Essentially you won't be far wrong if you thought of the Rotel as a power amp with a obligatory processor tagged on. I don't mind that at all. My old SR 12 was the most musical AVR in it's heyday. At a time when HDMI was nice being introduced, it was already behind it's time, but boy was it musical.

This amp ticks all the format boxes, but you need patience or money to set it up. Perhaps Rotel expects a USD 4000 amp to come with service.. From a cost standpoint, it costs around 1k less than my SR 7010 and Rotel 1585, so that gives you an idea of what other options you may have.
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Some words about the remote control..
When you set eyes on it.. Hey! Haven't I seen that somewhere before? Hey, it's a dead ringer for the Oppo remote!
Must have been ordered from the same stock bin

But no, you can't use it on your Oppo, and AFAIK, there's no learning function.
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My initial thoughts here:
http://peteswrite.blogspot.sg/2017/0...processor.html
This could have been the new badass in the park, even if they simply borrowed the brain from Marantz / Denon and stuck on their superb power amps, charged 5 grand, this could be a total success.
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This amp has the power to drive power hungry 4 ohm designs with aplomb, but that interface and the lack of auto-EQ... needs some work.
Enjoying Transformers on it.. very sweet sound.
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Lots of thanks! As I'm still using an old Harman Kardon AVR 7000, I won't miss much if I finally get a RAP-1580, but I've also seen what Arcam can do regarding auto eq... Decisions, decisions, decisions
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Well, as much as I like the solid turn of power and control afforded by the power section, this one is going back into the box.
If it was priced around 2000USD, or had a proper processor section, I would not hesitate to add this to my system.
However it's just a little too far out left for me.
Someone with good calibration skills, and enjoys a bit of elbow grease and spend a weekend doing his own calibration might take the bite, but it's not for me. A pity because it's been a while since I have been impressed by the built in amp section of any HT amp.
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Well, as much as I like the solid turn of power and control afforded by the power section, this one is going back into the box.
If it was priced around 2000USD, or had a proper processor section, I would not hesitate to add this to my system.
However it's just a little too far out left for me.
Someone with good calibration skills, and enjoys a bit of elbow grease and spend a weekend doing his own calibration might take the bite, but it's not for me. A pity because it's been a while since I have been impressed by the built in amp section of any HT amp.
Thanks Pete. With the parametric Eq ( the 10 band ) how low did it go?
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Thanks Pete. With the parametric Eq ( the 10 band ) how low did it go?
What do you mean?
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What do you mean?
Sorry I mean the range.
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