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Marantz AV7703 vs AV8802A

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I am considering either the 7703 or 8802A to replace my aging Yamaha RXA2040. I have read numerous threads on both these units and I am still undecided. Has anyone recently demo'd both of these units and can honestly advise if the 8802A is worth the extra 1K.

this would be used mainly for movies and although I have not installed ceiling speakers for atmos I will once I purchase a new pre-pro.

speakers are the Klispch THX Ultra II system. Amps are Sunfire 525x5, Parasound 200x2 and Emotiva 200x5 and a few m2200's, subs SVSx2. dedicated treated room.

I can find the 8802A refurbed from accesories 4 less and others for 2800.00 the 7703 for 1700.00

I typically dont post questions like this, but I am looking for assistance from those who have heard both and can advise what I am gaining or losing with the 8802A vs the 7703 (besides the Audessy app)

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Hello,

I am considering either the 7703 or 8802A to replace my aging Yamaha RXA2040. I have read numerous threads on both these units and I am still undecided. Has anyone recently demo'd both of these units and can honestly advise if the 8802A is worth the extra 1K.

this would be used mainly for movies and although I have not installed ceiling speakers for atmos I will once I purchase a new pre-pro.

speakers are the Klispch THX Ultra II system. Amps are Sunfire 525x5, Parasound 200x2 and Emotiva 200x5 and a few m2200's, subs SVSx2. dedicated treated room.

I can find the 8802A refurbed from accesories 4 less and others for 2800.00 the 7703 for 1700.00

I typically dont post questions like this, but I am looking for assistance from those who have heard both and can advise what I am gaining or losing with the 8802A vs the 7703 (besides the Audessy app)

thanks all...
I was faced with this same situation back in DEC/JAN...7702mkii was going out, replaced by the 7703 and the 8802A was the upgrade model on the shelf.

I've heard the DAC on the 8802a was supposed to be better and maybe it is...after doing an A B C listening test with all 3 for about an hour...I bought the closeout 7702mkii for $1400...I missed out on the outlaw $1200 deal by literally 1 day, but I'm still glad I waited to demo them in store.

I'm sure you can find the feature list to note the differences, but imo you're not losing much in terms of sound quality. I would get the 7703 and can call it a day, but admittedly I'm willing to spend far more on speakers than a pre-pro.

Good luck with it...I'm not sure there is a bad decision between the two...I've been very pleased with my unit.
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What was the unit you bought replacing? I am looking at features and a significant improvement over the rxa2040... other than aydessy and atmos...looking for better sound quality and want to make sure the 7703 is on par with 8802a...

I know the processor has little to do with overall sq, but want to make sure I hear something... in my room being treated and having decent speakers (to say the least)

I don't want to feel like I should have spent the extra cash if there will be any noticeable difference

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I am leaning towards the 8802A, I just don't want to buy the 7703 and wish i had gone for the 8802A....of course I could change my mind at any moment...the more posts I read..the more I change my mind...wish there was a in home trial period to demo both....ha ha....anyone have a 7703 or 8802A laying around I could "rent"?

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is Dolby Vision important to you? If so i would get the 7703 because the 7703 is going to get the firmware updated for Dolby Vision pass-through. I own a 8802a I had extensive discussions with Marantz and was told that they plan on updating the 8802a but i am not am not thoroughly convinced. The 8802a is made in japan where the 7703 is not. If you want better days for music get the 8802a if just for home theater and tv get the 7703. The 8802a is going to be replaced in Jan 2018 with 8804. The 7703 will continue to get updates while the 8802a has not gotten one since October of 2016. I would not get the 8802a I got it because i got duped by a salesperson. The 7703 is also going to get the Audyessy app that you can create your own custom curves which the 8802a will not get. The will cost $20.
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thanks Dave...good points

dolby vision does not matter to me at this point. I am running a Sony HW40ES projecting to a 135" screen...I have no plans to upgrade the projector for at least a few years unless 4K Dolby vision Projectors come down in price sooner.

this system is used almost 100% for movies, I have a separate system for music listening that I am currently happy with.

to be honest, I would most likely go for the 8804 in Jan 2018 so this unit i get now will be a place holder until the next model comes out (which is why I am looking at accessories for less instead of new)

the Audessy app does intrigue me. Audessy in general does, I am not that impressed with the YPAO on my current unit. I mean it sounds fine, its just the limitations of my particular unit shows its age with room correction and customization that available with XT32 sub eq

maybe I will go with the 7703 and use the extra $$ for in ceiling atmos speakers.

I knew i'd change my mind at least once today

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thanks Dave...good points

dolby vision does not matter to me at this point. I am running a Sony HW40ES projecting to a 135" screen...I have no plans to upgrade the projector for at least a few years unless 4K Dolby vision Projectors come down in price sooner.

this system is used almost 100% for movies, I have a separate system for music listening that I am currently happy with.

to be honest, I would most likely go for the 8804 in Jan 2018 so this unit i get now will be a place holder until the next model comes out (which is why I am looking at accessories for less instead of new)

the Audessy app does intrigue me. Audessy in general does, I am not that impressed with the YPAO on my current unit. I mean it sounds fine, its just the limitations of my particular unit shows its age with room correction and customization that available with XT32 sub eq

maybe I will go with the 7703 and use the extra $$ for in ceiling atmos speakers.

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you should be able to get a better price on the 8802A that you mentioned in your first post
and I mean a NEW unit with 3 year warranty, not a refurb as you mentioned

I bought a 8802A from an authorized dealer about 30 days ago

I went from an 8801...I will tell you that the 8802 is sonically superior

The nuances of sound I hear in HT with the 8802 is a definite improvement

2 channel audio is an even bigger improvement over the 8801

The 8801 is still bringing a decent price on the used market
I bought my 8801 on closeout 2 years ago. I only lost $250 from what I paid for it two years ago

I am satisfied with both what the 8801 cost me to own and the improved sound of the 8802

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I will get the 7703. Ive got the 8802A and I don't think I will ever spend money on Flagship processors again ( especially from D&M ). I use mine 100% for HT and I think the 7703 will be able to do the exact job audio wise. The build quality might be different ( Mine sits in another room regardless ) but for HT, who cares. If you got your room set right, it doesn't matter what you get.

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I will get the 7703. Ive got the 8802A and I don't think I will ever spend money on Flagship processors again ( especially from D&M ). I use mine 100% for HT and I think the 7703 will be able to do the exact job audio wise. The build quality might be different ( Mine sits in another room regardless ) but for HT, who cares. If you got your room set right, it doesn't matter what you get.

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if you dont think you will be able to hear the difference...then that is what I would do as well

I am curious about the build quality you mention though

Do you just mean the copper plating..or is there more?

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if you dont think you will be able to hear the difference...then that is what I would do as well

I am curious about the build quality you mention though

Do you just mean the copper plating..or is there more?

Warren
Build quality wise, apparently the internals are different ( one made in Japan the other Vietnam ), but for home theatre usage it will be hard to hear the difference. If your room is done well, and you have a good power amp you can't go wrong with the 7703.
2 channel music I cannot comment. But I wouldn't be surprised if there on Par.
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Build quality wise, apparently the internals are different ( one made in Japan the other Vietnam ), but for home theatre usage it will be hard to hear the difference. If your room is done well, and you have a good power amp you can't go wrong with the 7703.
2 channel music I cannot comment. But I wouldn't be surprised if there on Par.
I guess street price between the two is about $700 or so, right now
I cant comment on the 7703...never listened to it or even touched one

If you already own an 8802 A I am curios as to why you would buy a 7703?

I am very happy with my 8802A...but some of this is what I mentioned before
I bought my 8801 on closeout, sold it for only $250 less than I paid for it two years ago
The proceeds from the 8801 paid about 40% of the price for the 8802A


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I guess street price between the two is about $700 or so, right now
I cant comment on the 7703...never listened to it or even touched one

If you already own an 8802 A I am curios as to why you would buy a 7703?

I am very happy with my 8802A...but some of this is what I mentioned before
I bought my 8801 on closeout, sold it for only $250 less than I paid for it two years ago
The proceeds from the 8801 paid about 40% of the price for the 8802A


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Over in Aus we have to pay $2000 more for the 8802A over the 7703, and the 7703 has more features!! Plus there won't be a huge resale loss compared to the 8802A if I want to upgrade. Never again

Don't get me wrong the 8802A is a good unit but I will never get a flagship again.
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Over in Aus we have to pay $2000 more for the 8802A over the 7703, and the 7703 has more features!! Plus there won't be a huge resale loss compared to the 8802A if I want to upgrade. Never again

Don't get me wrong the 8802A is a good unit but I will never get a flagship again.
YIKES..$2000 more?!!
and to think I only paid $2600 for my 8802A new

In your financial situation I would have made the same choice

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YIKES..$2000 more?!!
and to think I only paid $2600 for my 8802A new

In your financial situation I would have made the same choice

Warren
Wait to the new Marantz Flagship comes out that will be expensive again with similar features as the 7703 then the 7704 will come out with extra added features for a lesser price.

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Wait to the new Marantz Flagship comes out that will be expensive again with similar features as the 7703 then the 7704 will come out with extra added features for a lesser price.
you are probably right
I would never pay the flagship MSRP for the Marantz models

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I ended up picking up a 7703 for now, I received it yesterday and will install this evening and give it a full workout this weekend.

I am having friends over for a showing of hacksaw ridge Saturday, I am a little worried about all the break in talk...although I am not sure if I believe that...I know its been debated here and both sides are passionate about their beliefs. I will only have about 8hrs on the units by the time the showing happens...although I doubt even if break in is a thing that out of the box that this unit might sound worse than my Yamaha RXA2020...least it better not.

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YIKES..$2000 more?!!
and to think I only paid $2600 for my 8802A new

In your financial situation I would have made the same choice

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I too am from Indy. May I ask where you found an 8802A for $2600? Thanks.
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I too am from Indy. May I ask where you found an 8802A for $2600? Thanks.
I sent you a private message

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I listened to both, I purchased a 7703 new for $1400 (traded in an Denon receiver). With the money I saved I bought a better DAC (Flagship Marantz) and it sounds as good if not better than the 8802A and it was cheaper and now I have all the latest goodies of the 7703 that are not on the 8802A.

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Hi HV9200...

I previously owned AV7702 but lusted for AV8802 so I sold it but never scraped the jack up for the 8802....now I rather miss it and was considering going with the AV7003....I did some online research and saw a thread you launched earlier this year about A/B comparisons of the 7703/8802A....presumably, you chose the 7703 and now have buyer's remorse....I'm curious...are you selling to go with 8802A? I am interested in your 7703....as you said, it's still a grand less than most 8802As I've been able to find...my only peeve is they are apparently replacing Vtuner with Tune-In as the "house" internet radio and I still prefer Vtuner...but I have a Marantz NA8005 media streamer that has the Vtuner so I can use that....

I know you are trying to sell the 7703...were you disappointed?....can you tell me your thoughts? As I said I am interested and although I just joined this forum to contact you, I have pretty extensive history and FB on Audiogon...

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How would you configure a 7703 given this speaker layout? I'd want to make the most of Atmos and Auro. Usage is primarily movies.

Speaker positions cannot be changed.

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How would you configure a 7703 given this speaker layout? I'd want to make the most of Atmos and Auro. Usage is primarily movies.

Speaker positions cannot be changed.

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Unfortunately, you probably should stop using the "top middle" speakers in the ceiling, the ones that are directly over the seating. If at all possible, you should install ear-level speakers for the Side Surround channels. Having the Side Surrounds in the ceiling will substantially reduce the advantage of the added overhead soundfield provided by 3D audio. You need to have the maximum possible vertical separation between all of the ear-level speakers and the overhead speakers.

If you can't add ear-level speakers, you should consider reconfiguring for 5.1.4: connect the current Rear Surrounds to the Surround channel amplifier outputs.

To be simultaneously compatible with Auro3D, Atmos and DTS:X, the remaining 4 overheads should be configured as Front Height and Rear Height. Unfortunately 4 overhead speakers is the maximum number supported by current reasonably-priced receivers and pre/pros like the AV7703.

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Selden, thanks! As I'd suspected from reading the manual.
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How would you configure a 7703 given this speaker layout? I'd want to make the most of Atmos and Auro. Usage is primarily movies.

Speaker positions cannot be changed.

Thanks!

Best served posting model specific questions in their respective Owner's threads ... in this case ...

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Yeah, the AV7703 isn't designed for top middle and that plan should be abandoned. You can make do with two rear and two sides to round out the 11 main channels the pre-pro supports. Otherwise if five main channels floor level is all you can support, then go with four ceiling speakers for 5.1.4 and call it a day.
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