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It would be helpful if those experiencing glitches post the number of channels they're working with.
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It would be helpful if those experiencing glitches post the number of channels they're working with.
I'm not sure who it would help unless the app developer reads these comments but for what it's worth I'm running a full 7.1.4 setup.
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I'm not sure who it would help unless the app developer reads these comments but for what it's worth I'm running a full 7.1.4 setup.
Appears app glitches are more prevalent on systems with a higher number of speakers.
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I haven't tried it with the latest update I have a full 7.2.4 setup and it completed fine once I disabled sleep.
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I haven't tried it with the latest update I have a full 7.2.4 setup and it completed fine once I disabled sleep.
I thought that might be the problem, but having put my phone in 'high performance' mode with no power saving policies enabled and screen always on, it still crashed. It just crashed *later* - which is even worse.
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.. it completed fine once I disabled sleep.
I've done the same.
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It looks like they posted another update. Maybe try again?
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Really hope app fixed the speaker crossover and below 20hz roll off bug. Atmos and the app is the main reason i change my receiver. Little regret now. Lol
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The posted measurements indicate no roll off below 20hz.

Alas the crossovers being different between app and receiver is still a thing, by most accounts. But that may be because when using the receiver, Audyssey doesn't choose the crossover but just passes data to the receiver and the manufacturer sets the thresholds, whereas the app is all Audyssey doing the thinking.
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Really hope app fixed the speaker crossover and below 20hz roll off bug. Atmos and the app is the main reason i change my receiver. Little regret now. Lol
based on my own test, and i had both the XO issue and the Roll-off Below 20HZ , i would say things are getting much better after the update that came a few days ago, at least with the crossover issue, the roll-off issue still there , u can read my post nr. #992 of 1029 for more details.
Blue Curve: AVR.
Red Curve: APP.

Wow it went so fast this time, just noticed there is a newer update then the one that came out a few days ago, version 1.1.1 is out. again will do some testing and i will post my result/finding
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Really hope app fixed the speaker crossover and below 20hz roll off bug. Atmos and the app is the main reason i change my receiver. Little regret now. Lol
Pretty hard to tell whether it does from looking at it as the developer doesn't include any changelog. The app just says 'updated' and 'Bugs Fixed'
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Really hope app fixed...below 20hz roll off bug...Little regret now. Lol
Where's the info to support your claim?
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I haven't had any major discomfort (Android), unless the time taken to transfer final data to the AVR (SR7011) - about 15 min. My setup is a 7.1.4 plus Vog.
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Edit: also took in the meanwhile the decision to change the firmware to my Nexus7 2012. Now I am running 7.1.2 Slimrom. We will see.
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based on my own test, and i had both the XO issue and the Roll-off Below 20HZ , i would say things are getting much better after the update that came a few days ago, at least with the crossover issue, the roll-off issue still there , u can read my post nr. #992 of 1029 for more details.
Blue Curve: AVR.
Red Curve: APP.

Wow it went so fast this time, just noticed there is a newer update then the one that came out a few days ago, version 1.1.1 is out. again will do some testing and i will post my result/finding
I feel u.. me and my buddy have the same problem with the app roll off problem. We are now need to use audyssey flat to disable midrange compensation. But dont get me wrong , i still love audyssey. Just the app still not as good as AVR calibration.
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We are now need to use audyssey flat to disable midrange compensation.
Unfortunately the Midrange Compensation in Enable by default even if u choose the Flat curve .
u need something like the App. or Audy. kit to disable it!
infact that is one of the reasons why i want this App so much to work, so that i can Disable the Midrange Compensation thing.
By the way i have just ran another test after the last update version 1.1.1, no changes same as the prior one.
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Unfortunately the Midrange Compensation in Enable by default even if u choose the Flat curve .
u need something like the App. or Audy. kit to disable it!
infact that is one of the reasons why i want this App so much to work, so that i can Disable the Midrange Compensation thing.
By the way i have just ran another test after the last update version 1.1.1, no changes same as the prior one.
Audyssey or Audyssey music/flat for movie
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Unfortunately the Midrange Compensation in Enable by default even if u choose the Flat curve .
u need something like the App. or Audy. kit to disable it!
infact that is one of the reasons why i want this App so much to work, so that i can Disable the Midrange Compensation thing.
By the way i have just ran another test after the last update version 1.1.1, no changes same as the prior one.
Not sure what receiver you have but the flat or music curve does not or should not have midrange compensation.

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BOTBOTCHAI i didn,t now what u are exactly getting at with this link?
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Not sure what receiver you have but the flat or music curve does not or should not have midrange compensation.

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primetimeguy , the Midrange compensation is enable and included in both the flat and the reference curve, i have been confirming this with actual measurment and asking the Auddyssey team support.

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Not sure what receiver you have but the flat or music curve does not or should not have midrange compensation.

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Sorry my mistake forgot to mention its only enable for both the flat and Reference when u run the calibration using the App. but not when using the AVR
this is the answer i got from Auddyssey:
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However if you are using the smartphone app to perform calibration this can be different.
If using the app to calibrate, turning off midrange calibration turns it off for both curves, turning it on turns it on for both flat and reference.

Kind regards,
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Sorry my mistake forgot to mention its only enable for both the flat and Reference when u run the calibration using the App. but not when using the AVR
this is the answer i got from Auddyssey:
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However if you are using the smartphone app to perform calibration this can be different.
If using the app to calibrate, turning off midrange calibration turns it off for both curves, turning it on turns it on for both flat and reference.

Kind regards,
Audyssey Support
That makes more sense. An app problem.
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Sorry my mistake forgot to mention its only enable for both the flat and Reference when u run the calibration using the App. but not when using the AVR
this is the answer i got from Auddyssey:
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However if you are using the smartphone app to perform calibration this can be different.
If using the app to calibrate, turning off midrange calibration turns it off for both curves, turning it on turns it on for both flat and reference.

Kind regards,
Audyssey Support
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I can get a very good result with AVR calibration for my room and few of my buddy but the app can edit curve is something i been waiting for a long time. I been audition a system with Dirac live few time . It sound great especially the high frequency but it really out of my budget. Since i already download the app, it no harm for me to wait. Hopefully they can fix the app and we all here can have a poor man Dirac version. Cheers..
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I can get a very good result with AVR calibration for my room and few of my buddy but the app can edit curve is something i been waiting for a long time. I been audition a system with Dirac live few time . It sound great especially the high frequency but it really out of my budget. Since i already download the app, it no harm for me to wait. Hopefully they can fix the app and we all here can have a poor man Dirac version. Cheers..
that is truly excellent result and great looking FR. response curve u got there did u use any smoothing?
what sub. do u have and how many u using ?
now i understand u even better , and it would be realy a crime having that roll-off below 20HZ.
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can i eq each channel with this ?
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that is truly excellent result and great looking FR. response curve u got there did u use any smoothing?
what sub. do u have and how many u using ?
now i understand u even better , and it would be realy a crime having that roll-off below 20HZ.
Graph is unsmooth ..me and few buddy are rythmik fanboy..lol .

Edit...LFE 1 is my room...LFE 120 is my buddy room when i setup for him

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can i eq each channel with this ?
No; app presents separate edits for Front and Subwoofer for my setup.
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Graph is unsmooth ..me and few buddy are rythmik fanboy..lol .

Edit...LFE 1 is my room...LFE 120 is my buddy room when i setup for him
2 more examples of no <20 Hz rolloff using the app.
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I have a 5.1 setup, X3300W newly installed. It's a tiny room (12x14.5 with 7.5 foot ceiling) Def Tech PM1000, PC2000, and 8040 surrounds, SVSound PB10 sub

I first tried this app and the x-over was so far off the mark that I was turned off. It was picking 200 mhz for my center channel, 150 for the left/right, etc.


Ran it again yesterday, and the crossover was MUCH lower and more accurate. It set the L/R mains at 80, and the Center/rears at 100. Haven't messed with much but was glad to see the crossover was more realistic as using the app is very nice compared to doing an Audyssey run-through without it.


I have a Nexus 6P phone that I run this on - all I do is set my display to not timeout for 30 minutes. It works great. It crashed on me once when I first played with it but yesterdays test session was smooth as silk. I measured all 8 positions.

QUESTIONS!?!?!:

1 - do I want to enable or disable the midrange compensation? I don't quite have a grasp on that. What do I listen for??
2 - How do I find the room transition point? And should I focus on doing that and setting this Audyssey app to only EQ from that point and below??
3 - any other tips for getting the most out of this app???

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...1 - do I want to enable or disable the midrange compensation? I don't quite have a grasp on that. What do I listen for??
2 - How do I find the room transition point? And should I focus on doing that and setting this Audyssey app to only EQ from that point and below??.
1. Midrange comp is similar to Gundry or BBC Dip.
2. Never measured Schroeder Frequency. I use a 400 Hz cutoff because it measured flattest.
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