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Yamaha Firmware Update: Select AVRs get HLG, Dolby Vision HDR + Tidal & Deezer

Hybrid Log Gamma HDR and Dolby Vision HDR format support is coming to select Yamaha AVRs via firmware. So is support for Tidal and Deezer streaming. Click the link to read more: Yamaha Firmware Update Adds HLG, Dolby Vision HDR + Tidal & Deezer to Select AVRs
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Hybrid Log Gamma HDR and Dolby Vision HDR format support is coming to select Yamaha AVRs via firmware. So is support for Tidal and Deezer streaming. Click the link to read more: Yamaha Firmware Update Adds HLG, Dolby Vision HDR + Tidal & Deezer to Select AVRs
Any chance the 3050 will also get the update, even though the article does not say?

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Any chance the 3050 will also get the update, even though the article does not say?
I simply do not know. That's a question for Yamaha, but typically unless there's news about it, it's hard or impossible to get a comment. Since this update includes HLG support, HDMI 2.0b is required. But Dolby Vision does not require HDMI 2.0b, so all I can say there is... maybe? Fingers crossed? I wish I could help more.

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Thanks Mark,

I am crossing my fingers that this is the initial round, they probably hit the main ones first then the second round expands the offer. Still setting up my RX-A760 so will keep an eye out for updates.

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Okay, so correct me if I'm wrong. The way I understand Dolby Vision passthrough capability in AVRs and pre-pros is this: You need to have at least HDMI 2.0 inputs as a hardware capability, plus software done through firmware updates. Of course, you need source content, player, display, and solid performing HDMI high speed cables. Am I missing anything?
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Okay, so correct me if I'm wrong. The way I understand Dolby Vision passthrough capability in AVRs and pre-pros is this: You need to have at least HDMI 2.0 inputs as a hardware capability, plus software done through firmware updates. Of course, you need source content, player, display, and solid performing HDMI high speed cables. Am I missing anything?
That's about it. All I'd add is that Craig Eggers (Senior Director Home Audio Business Unit at Dolby) told me this...

"The skinny is that Dolby Vision generally requires HDMI 2.0. We are investigating Dolby Vision pass through capability in earlier format versions of HDMI."
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Please correct me. So if you have a x900e Sony tv with no Dolby vision capabilities. But the avr has Dolby vision. Will I be able to watch Dolby vision on that tv?
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Please correct me. So if you have a x900e Sony tv with no Dolby vision capabilities. But the avr has Dolby vision. Will I be able to watch Dolby vision on that tv?
Support for Dolby Vision has to be built into the TV.

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Please correct me. So if you have a x900e Sony tv with no Dolby vision capabilities. But the avr has Dolby vision. Will I be able to watch Dolby vision on that tv?
Every single component/element in the video chain needs to support Dolby Vision. Any one that's lacking Dolby Vision support will break the chain.
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Okay, so correct me if I'm wrong. The way I understand Dolby Vision passthrough capability in AVRs and pre-pros is this: You need to have at least HDMI 2.0 inputs as a hardware capability, plus software done through firmware updates. Of course, you need source content, player, display, and solid performing HDMI high speed cables. Am I missing anything?
Even if you have HDMI 2.0 inputs, I seriously doubt manufacturers are going to update devices older than 2016 (HDMI 2.0 was prevalent in 2015 models). They want you to buy the latest/greatest. And since devices with HDMI 2.0a inputs came out in 2016 (and introduced HDR10 to the world), certain 2016 models will get a firmware update, but that is at the whim of each manufacturer..so nothing is guaranteed for older equipment (even 2016 with 2.0a inputs) until it happens.
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Good on you Yamaha for taking care of your customers. What are the odds I'll see this update for my Marantz? I'll tell you. Slim to next to none.
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Dang and I almost bought the 2060.. Oh well, hopefully denon follows suit and my x4300h gets a similar upgrade.

Hdmi 2.0b looks identical from an electrical stand point as 2.0a. Same bandwidth, etc. Receivers just pass through the video anyways. Are all hdmi 2.0a receivers capable of 2.0b support with just a FW upgrade (assuming one is released)?
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Owning an OPPO 203, a Yamaha Aventage 3050 and a Vizio P 65" 2016 model, I would suspect that instead of the current connection, using one hdmi out on the Oppo, I would use two, One to the AVR for sound and one for the TV to produce DV. I think that's correct.

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why would the rx-v681 get it, but not the 781? or was that a typo?
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Good for Yamaha. Next up, all they need to do is offer an AVR with 11 channels, both amp sections and pre-outs, for a reasonable price (like under 1.5K retail) and they're golden. I hope their 2017 models start offering more channels for the buck, and their lower end ones offer more than just 2 ch pre-outs, assuming they keep 7.2 for the lower priced models.
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I'm seriously hoping that my RX-A2050 gets the Dolby Vision update.

I wonder when this update is going to come, looks like Yamaha site is still listing the latest update for 2050/2060 was the one on 3/29.
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Good on you Yamaha for taking care of your customers. What are the odds I'll see this update for my Marantz? I'll tell you. Slim to next to none.
When I saw the update on the from page of AVS this morning I was pissed. Not for Yamaha owners, I am really happy for you guys. I almost bought the CX-A5100 but instead got talked out it and bought a Marantz 8802a in October of 2016. The Marantz 8802a is HDMI 2.0a but is a 2015 I believe just like the CX-A150. The 8802a is called the FLAGSHIP and has the price tag to go with it, however Marantz has not indicated that they are going to update it with DV pass-through. I called Marantz and was told by the head of Customer Service that they had plans to update the 8802a but I do not believe them one bit call me a pessimist. After seeing this I wish i would have bought the Yamaha instead of the Marantz. Again really happy for you guys, it is about time these manufacturers take care of their customers instead of sticking it to them and making them buy yet another receiver/processor. If Marantz does not update the 8802a they have lost my business for life.
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When I saw the update on the from page of AVS this morning I was pissed. Not for Yamaha owners, I am really happy for you guys. I almost bought the CX-A5100 but instead got talked out it and bought a Marantz 8802a in October of 2016. The Marantz 8802a is HDMI 2.0a but is a 2015 I believe just like the CX-A150. The 8802a is called the FLAGSHIP and has the price tag to go with it, however Marantz has not indicated that they are going to update it with DV pass-through. I called Marantz and was told by the head of Customer Service that they had plans to update the 8802a but I do not believe them one bit call me a pessimist. After seeing this I wish i would have bought the Yamaha instead of the Marantz. Again really happy for you guys, it is about time these manufacturers take care of their customers instead of sticking it to them and making them buy yet another receiver/processor. If Marantz does not update the 8802a they have lost my business for life.
Very easy work around as every 4k/UHD BDP has dual HDMI outputs so you can pass the DV titles to the TV while still passing the HD audio to the AVP.
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HURRAY!!! I'm so glad Yamaha listened to our dealer feedback and brought in Tidal support, which was the biggest thing I mentioned in their surveys. Yamaha's really been doing a great job with fantastic updates over this last year. Now if only we can get some HDR support for our beloved YSP-5600 soundbar.
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When I saw the update on the from page of AVS this morning I was pissed. Not for Yamaha owners, I am really happy for you guys. I almost bought the CX-A5100 but instead got talked out it and bought a Marantz 8802a in October of 2016. The Marantz 8802a is HDMI 2.0a but is a 2015 I believe just like the CX-A150. The 8802a is called the FLAGSHIP and has the price tag to go with it, however Marantz has not indicated that they are going to update it with DV pass-through. I called Marantz and was told by the head of Customer Service that they had plans to update the 8802a but I do not believe them one bit call me a pessimist. After seeing this I wish i would have bought the Yamaha instead of the Marantz. Again really happy for you guys, it is about time these manufacturers take care of their customers instead of sticking it to them and making them buy yet another receiver/processor. If Marantz does not update the 8802a they have lost my business for life.
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Very easy work around as every 4k/UHD BDP has dual HDMI outputs so you can pass the DV titles to the TV while still passing the HD audio to the AVP.
Yup. Don't give up on your 8802 just yet. I'm a Yamaha guy, but your Marantz is a sweet rig.
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"Actually they should be able to add Dolby Vision........it is simply embedded in the Video signal...not as a separate signal like HDR-10. This article says you only need HDMI 1.4B and that the receiver just needs to have an firmware update to tell it that the Dolby Vision signal is present. That is how I read the info contained in this article. If Yamaha won't update my 3050 to pass Dolby Vision it will likely be the last $ Yamaha gets from me because I am sure they can do it. Dolby says they have provided manufacturers with the means to update their units.


http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...MjK17IaExPF.97 "


I made the above post in the 3050 thread (Post #9054 on Feb 7++ Post #9059)........if the 5100 is getting Dolby Vision, then I fully expect Yamaha to provide it for the 3050. This is not a new feature, but some simple code to tell the unit the signal is there........that is my understanding from what I have read.


“Dolby Vision can technically be routed through any equipment starting at v1.4.b and above, however, the device needs to be aware of the kind of signal properties that differentiate Dolby Vision from a standard SDR signal. To this effect, we have issued a compatibility SDK that several manufacturers have already used to obtain pass-through compatibility on upcoming products. Compatibility on existing products is something that could possibly achieved as well, but is of course at the discretion of each manufacturer/OEM.”
Read more at http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...TZWEbxFwUlK.99
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Dang and I almost bought the 2060.. Oh well, hopefully denon follows suit and my x4300h gets a similar upgrade.

Hdmi 2.0b looks identical from an electrical stand point as 2.0a. Same bandwidth, etc. Receivers just pass through the video anyways. Are all hdmi 2.0a receivers capable of 2.0b support with just a FW upgrade (assuming one is released)?
There's a thread stating that some models from Denon and Marantz will be getting that upgrade later this year or early 2018. I'm pretty sure the your AVR is on that list. Now as you know that Yamaha's are also getting the update.


Most likely every 2017 AVR/AVP will be Dolby Vision capable. Denon and Marantz will be releasing a Dolby Vision firmware update for their 2016 and 2017 models in late 2017/early 2018. Onkyo has also indicated releasing a firmware update for its 2016 models. Yamaha has not responded regarding updating their 2016 models.

Found the thread that stated that Denon/Marantz will indeed get the Dolby Vision upgrade. From @jdsmoothie himself. He is the resident member with the knowledge on D/M products.

The specs have not been released yet on the new 2017 lower level "X" series models; however, there would be no power difference between any of the models you list and all of them could easily drive those speakers. The X1300W will be receiving the same Dolby Vision firmware update as will the 2017 models later this year/early 2018. None of the models you list can overlay the GUI/menu on 4k video, rather you must upgrade to the X3300W for this feature.

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When I saw the update on the from page of AVS this morning I was pissed. Not for Yamaha owners, I am really happy for you guys. I almost bought the CX-A5100 but instead got talked out it and bought a Marantz 8802a in October of 2016. The Marantz 8802a is HDMI 2.0a but is a 2015 I believe just like the CX-A150. The 8802a is called the FLAGSHIP and has the price tag to go with it, however Marantz has not indicated that they are going to update it with DV pass-through. I called Marantz and was told by the head of Customer Service that they had plans to update the 8802a but I do not believe them one bit call me a pessimist. After seeing this I wish i would have bought the Yamaha instead of the Marantz. Again really happy for you guys, it is about time these manufacturers take care of their customers instead of sticking it to them and making them buy yet another receiver/processor. If Marantz does not update the 8802a they have lost my business for life.
D + M announced future DV upgrades for 2016 models. The gentleman with the X4300H can rest assured.

I don't understand this rant above about never buying a D + M again. I will kindly get a hold of a CX-5100 to trade out for your AV8802a. PM me

Why do people think they are entitled to upgrades years down the line? As JD posted, DV support isn't even needed in the AVR with most DV source hardware. The Chromecast Ultra is the only one I know of that doesn't have dual A/V HDMI outs.
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D + M announced future DV upgrades for 2016 models. The gentleman with the X4300H can rest assured.

I don't understand this rant above about never buying a D + M again. I will kindly get a hold of a CX-5100 to trade out for your AV8802a. PM me

Why do people think they are entitled to upgrades years down the line? As JD posted, DV support isn't even needed in the AVR with most DV source hardware. The Chromecast Ultra is the only one I know of that doesn't have dual A/V HDMI outs.
I'm not the OP you quoted, but I don't think it's necessarily about 'entitlement' per se, at least not for everyone. There is something to be said though for going beyond the bare minimum and engendering goodwill and getting repeat business from your company's customers. I have a 2015 Denon, and while I have no use for DV since I have a Sony X900E, I'd love to see support added for HLG like the 2016 Denon's are getting. Will I swear off D+M in the likely event I don't get an HLG update for my 2015 receiver? No, but if other companies like Yamaha start offering that for their customers of 2015 models, it's something I'll certainly keep in mind when I'm finally in the market for a new receiver. I'm certainly not going to jump back into the AVR market just for HLG, which seems to be what D+M would hope for by not updating models older than 2016. Look at the way Apple does software updates, which is all this is. They release software updates that include new features for years after the original purchase.
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^^^ What tickles me is that in most cases users that get all riled up like that don't even know whether or not they nees DV and HLG pass through in their AVR/AVP. I happen to own a 2015 Marantz, a 2016 DV LG OLED, and a Chromecast Ultra.

There are no DV UHD BD Pkayers which do not have due A/V HDMI outputs.

I'm giving @Dave-T a chance to undo his mistake and get a CX-5100 in exchange for his AV8802a. Fair? No? 😇
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I have a rx-a3050 Totally agree with you JKR1963 !! I always bought Yamaha this my 4th receiver if they do not upgrade 2015 aventage series to pass dolby vison this will be my last yam receiver !! We have no hardware limitation to not gets the update
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Just curious, so my 2015 Denon X6200w will not be getting an update for Dolby Vision compatibility. Denon never implied or said the unit could be made to support Dv, so I'm fine if it doesn't. I just think Denon should look into it and see if it's possible and if it is CHARGE a fee for it. I'm more than willing to pay say $50 or more to keep my $2,000 receiver current. Not asking for a freebie but if it's possible why not give the consumers the option. Love my Denon and no plans on upgrading anytime soon.
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The Chromecast Ultra is the only one I know of that doesn't have dual A/V HDMI outs.
Xbox only has one HDMI out. I would not be surprised to find out these are one of the most common 4K UHD BD players.
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Bought my A760 12/2016. To be fair I think they should at least push updates to all capable models still in production at the time they announced the upgrades. Not sure what it could possibly be missing that the V681 has.
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