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Red face Yamaha RX-A3070 / A2070 / A1070 Aventage Owners' Thread

  • The AVENTAGE advantage: designed to deliver the highest levels of audio performance through engineering
  • Aluminum front panel with door, symmetrical amplifier layout, H-shaped cross frame, double-bottom chassis
  • 9.2-channel with Dolby Atmos®, DTS:X™ and CINEMA DSP HD³ (7.1.2-ch or 5.1.4-ch)
  • 11.2-channel processing (up to 7.2.4-ch expandability with external 2-ch amplifier)
  • XLR terminals for low noise signal transmission
  • Add audio in up to 9 additional rooms with MusicCast
  • 8-in, 2-out HDMI
  • 4K Ultra HD pass-through with HDCP 2.2 support, HDR Video including Hybrid Log-Gamma and Dolby Vision™ Compatibility, and BT.2020
  • Advanced HDMI zone switching
  • Ultra-high performance 32-bit ESS ES9026PRO SABRE DAC™
  • Fully loaded with Wi-Fi®, Bluetooth®, AirPlay®, Spotify Connect, Tidal, and Deezer music streaming service
  • Stream Pandora®, Spotify, Napster, SiriusXM Internet Radio and thousands of free internet radio stations
  • DSD 2.8 MHz / 5.6 MHz, FLAC / WAV / AIFF 192 kHz / 24-bit, Apple® Lossless 96 kHz / 24-bit playback
  • Phono input to connect to your favorite turntable
  • Room acoustics optimization using YPAO™- R.S.C. with 3D, 64-bit precision EQ calculation and angle measurement
  • Zone 2 control options
Features

The AVENTAGE Advantage
Craftsmanship in engineering design. The AVENTAGE line of high-performance AV receivers is based on the audio design concept of providing a massive, full-bodied sound for movie sound effects and the accurate reproduction of music sources. By expertly harmonizing traditional and advanced technologies, every factor that affects sound quality, from materials and parts to construction, layout, vibration damping (unique foot) and “fine-tuning” the sound, is handled with no other thought than to achieve the best possible audio quality. As a result, every AVENTAGE model has the ability to reproduce the most subtle details of high-definition sound, so that listeners can enjoy a truly high-class sound studio experience at home.

Total Purity
Enjoy fine sound quality. The Total Purity Concept, which Yamaha has been cultivating for many years, encompasses high drive amp technology, high purity preamplification, anti-vibration technology and independent pure power supplies. All models have fully discrete power amplifiers that help minimize distortion. They also adopt pure independent power supplies, allowing dedicated power supplies for the analog and digital circuitry to prevent digital noise from affecting analog circuitry. The anti-vibration heat sinks are designed to suppress vibration from transistors and sound pressure. Independent power supplies for the DACs are designed to further eliminate noise on certain models. Down to every detail, these AV receivers are designed with full emphasis on the highest possible sound quality.

High Quality Parts for Optimum Performance
The whole is greater than the sum. Every single part in an AV receiver affects the sound quality. For AVENTAGE models, extra time is taken to find (or develop) the exact parts needed to achieve the highest performance possible. Sound technicians go through a testing process to, in effect, “tune” the receiver’s sound.



ESS SABRE PRO Premier DAC™ ES9026PRO
Our flagship RX-A3070 model features ESS’s state of the art 32-bit SABRE PRO Premier DAC ES9026PRO. ESS’s patented 32-bit Hyper Stream, Total Harmonic Distortion (THD) compensation fun32-bit beast-mode. Our flagship RX-A3070 model features ESS’s state of the art 32-bit SABRE PRO Premier DAC ES9026PRO. ESS’s patented 32-bit Hyper Stream, Total Harmonic Distortion (THD) compensation function works to minimize noise levels. In combination with the Yamaha original D.O.P.G. (DAC On Pure Ground) concept, which eliminates the potential difference between audio circuit stages to reduce ground noise, it dramatically enhances silence and resolution over the entire audio range for rich and expressive reproduction of even the most delicate sounds.




XLR Input
The RX-A3070 comes equipped with XLR balanced audio input terminal that have an outstanding reputation in the world of professional audio and are highly sensitive to noise in the mix. In combination with a Blu-ray Disc™ playBalanced audio. The receiver comes equipped with an XLR balanced audio input terminals. In combination with a Blu-ray Disc™ player such as our BD-A1060, or CD player such as our CD-S3000 / S2100 equipped with balanced output terminals, this enables high-quality signal transmission with reduced degradation of sound quality due to external noise. The balanced input terminals feature gold-plated connections produced by Neutrik, a company with a long history of experience working with Yamaha mixing consoles.



Symmetrical Power Amplifier
Designed to the details. The interior of the unit has been precisely planned, circuit-routed and built so that the left and right channels are physically and electrically isolated. This naturally maximizes channel separation but also greatly improves signal to noise ratio and also helps to achieve a wide open sound stage for a superior receiver.

Anti-Resonance Technology Foundation
A firm foundation. The Anti-Resonance Technology Wedge is a fifth foot in the center of the unit. It dampens vibrations from the power transformer, power transistors and heat sinks, as well as vibrations that might be caused by the sound from the speakers.

Advanced Design Feet
Foot fetish. The feet of the receiver feature a newly designed, high-density structure which utilizes two different kinds of interior ribs — straight and curved — to enhance strength and damping performance. Installation stability is improved and chassis resonance is dispersed, effectively eliminating external vibration. The low-range response is enhanced, while resonance peaks in the mid- and high-range are reduced, providing dynamic sound and accurate reproduction.



Aluminum Front Panel
Shielded from noise. All of the AVENTAGE components feature the same sleek, clean design, with an elegant aluminum front panel and silky touch volume/selector knobs. The aluminum front panel is used to effectively shield sensitive circuitry from external noise and electronic radiation generated by dimmer switches, fluorescent lighting, video monitors and so on. This ensures optimum sonic performance in the widest range of installation environments.

H-shaped Frame
Reinforced for rigidity. The interior of the receiver is reinforced with cross members in an H shape to provide an extremely rigid and stable frame. This reduces chassis vibration to virtually zero even during high volume output (seemingly minor vibrations can affect the sound), maintaining the highest audio quality.

4K Ultra HD Full Support
Darker blacks, whiter whites, and more vivid colors. This AV receiver completely supports with latest HDMI® standards. Thanks to transmission of 4K video at 60 frames per second pass-through, you can fully enjoy the high definition video quality of 4K without degradation. It also adheres to the HDCP 2.2 copyright protection standard for 4K video transmission. It also supports HDR (High Dynamic Range) Video including Dolby Vision and Hybrid Log-Gamma which provides incredible contrast, smooth tone and rich, bright colors. Furthermore it supports the wider color gamut of BT.2020 pass-through. This AV receiver is also compatible with 3D, Audio Return Channel and CEC for easy operation. *Dolby Vision and Hybrid Log-Gamma will be available via future firmware update.


Yamaha Video Processing
Upscaling for smoothness. With expertise in engineering exceptional video projectors, Yamaha has produced various advanced processing techniques that are applied to this AV receiver’s video upscaling capabilities. These include edge adaptive deinterlacing to smooth out jaggy noise, motion adaptive de-interlacing to detect moving or still images and multi-cadence detection that includes 3-2 pull-down.

Advanced Graphical User Interface
Multilingual user interface. The latest graphical user interface from Yamaha has a high-resolution display with clear, easy-to-use menus and also includes a selectable status bar that shows input source, volume level, DSP mode and audio format. The GUI provides a choice of eight languages: English, French, German, Spanish, Italian, Russian, Japanese and Chinese and can be displayed over both normal and 3D pictures.


MusicCast
MusicCast allows you to access your digital music library, streaming music services and Internet radio, as well as Bluetooth® sources, your TV sound and external sources attacheMultiroom audio. MusicCast makes it easy to bring music to every room in your home wirelessly with playback controlled by a simple app. Start with a MusicCast capable AV receiver in your main entertainment room for the ultimate home theater experience, then add MusicCast speakers, sound bars or Hi-Fi components in other rooms wirelessly.d to your AV receiver, such as a Blu-ray disc player or CD player.

All Your Content
MusicCast allows you to access your digital music library, streaming music services and Internet radio, as well as Bluetooth® sources, your TV sound and external sources attached to your AV receiver, such as a Blu-ray disc player or CD player.

Bluetooth®
Play your favorite streaming service. This AV receiver is equipped with Bluetooth functionality to let you enjoy easy wireless music playback from mobile devices. The Compressed Music Enhancer from Yamaha is now optimized for Bluetooth audio transmissions to ensure that your music will have vivid, lively sound quality during wireless playback.


Bluetooth Output
In and out. The RX-A3070 is equipped with the latest Bluetooth technology, making wireless operation more convenient than ever. You can stream music from the RX-A3070 to Bluetooth headphones for private listening or to Bluetooth speakers.


Airplay®
iCompatible. This AV receiver supports AirPlay, which means they can accept wireless music streaming from iPod touch®, iPhone®, iPad®, as well as from iTunes® on a Mac® or PC. This makes it easy to enjoy music from your mobile devices or computer at your home theater system. You can view metadata such as song title, artist name as well as album art inside the receiver's on-screen display.


Network Functions
Access more. This AV receiver provides a variety of network functions that enable you to access more sources and also enhance operation. You can connect the receiver to your home network or internet to enjoy Internet Radio, Spotify®*, Pandora®* or music stored on a NAS and home PC. The AV Controller app (from iTunes App Store or Google play) lets you control various functions from your iPod, iPhone, iPad or Android phones / tablets.



Spotify Connect
Millions of songs. With the Spotify app on your mobile device, you have instant access to millions of songs. Now you can stream those songs to your networked Yamaha AV receiver by using Spotify Connect. Just hit play to start streaming music. When you listen to Spotify outside on your mobile device and come inside, the song immediately streams to your Yamaha AV receiver allowing no interruption to your music playback. You can also personalize playlists and receive phone calls while listening to music on Spotify. The Spotify app and premium account are required. Visit www.spotify.com for more details. Try Spotify Premium for free on your Yamaha home entertainment system for 30 days. Visit http://spotify.com/yamaha for more details.


Wi-Fi® and Wireless Direct
Smarter connectivity. Built-in Wi-Fi allows for a wireless connection with your wireless router, greatly simplifying system connections for enjoying networked audio (PC / NAS) and music streaming services. If a Wi-Fi router is not available, the unique Wireless Direct feature not only allows you to stream music directly from your smartphone or tablet via the AV Controller App, AirPlay® etc., but also allows for control of the AV receiver as well.


AV Controller App
Easy and convenient operation. This AV receiver lets you use the Yamaha AV Controller App that is downloadable from iTunes®, Google Play or the Amazon Appstore to control the power, volume, input selections, DSP modes and much, much more from an iPhone® or Android™ device. You can also use as many as 23 different languages and customize the interface by hiding unused icons and renaming functions. A tablet version is also available.


Dolby Atmos® and DTS:X™
Find every dimension. Enter a new world of sound with Dolby Atmos and DTS:X. These sound technologies transport you from an ordinary moment into an extraordinary experience with captivating, multidimensional sound that fills your room with amazing richness and depth. Music, people, and objects come alive in breathtaking detail and flow in precise choreography all around you, making you feel like you are truly there. These new sound technologies will fill the room with multidimensional sound that makes you feel as if you are right in the middle of the story unfolding on the screen.


Enhanced CINEMA DSP HD3
Thrilling realism in surround sound. With this year marking thirty years since the release of the first DSP-1 unit in 1986, Yamaha has continued its history of innovation with the development of the Enhanced next-generation CINEMA DSP. This sound field program is installed in the receiver and features a new sound field processing algorithm that further elevates its ability to process the motion and spatial representation data found in the latest audio-visual media. This includes three-dimensional surround formats like Dolby Atmos and DTS:X. The result is a natural sound field effect that follows every sound source, including objects present in the most modern formats and delivers dynamic sensations of motion and spatiality.


Virtual CINEMA FRONT
Enjoy virtual surround sound. Even when it is impossible to install surround speakers behind the listening position, Virtual CINEMA DSP reproduces virtual 7-channel surround sound filled with realism, from only two front speakers. The Virtual CINEMA FRONT feature lets you place two surround speakers and a center speaker at the front to enjoy virtual 7-channel surround sound with even higher quality and resolution, as well as superior rear virtual sound localization. Adding two additional front presence speakers provides a three-dimensional sound field that gives you a feeling of its height and depth and of the vertical movement of the sound. You get more flexibility to arrange your speakers inside the room, along with easy enjoyment of high quality surround sound.


Virtual Presence and Surround Back Speakers
Wide, high, and dense sound. CINEMA DSP 3D provides a wide, high and dense sound field. HD Audio format decoding lets you enjoy HD Audio sources. Virtual Presence Speaker delivers three-dimensional sound without the actual use of presence speakers.


Speaker Layout Patterns
Multiple placement patterns are available for presence speakers that support Dolby Atmos & DTS:X, creating a sound field that’s ideal for your setup. Any layout can be appropriately reproduced, including the three-dimensional space of CINEMA DSP as well as both sound formats.


Codec Support

This AV receiver is compatible with many audio formats such as Dolby® True HD and DTS-HD Master Audio™. It is also compatible with high-resolution audio codecs such as DSD/AIFF/FLAC/WAV/Apple® Lossless. You will enjoy the excellent sound quality of these various high-resolution audio codecs from the USB input on the front panel or from network connected devices.


Advanced HDMI® Zone Switching
Full video and audio capability in second zone. While standard HDMI zone switching can only send HD video programs to the main and second zones, advanced HDMI® zone switching from Yamaha adds the capability to choose from all audio and video sources for playback in Zone 2*. An on-screen graphical user interface makes it easy to browse and select content to enjoy from the second zone no matter what is being played in the Main Zone. *The second HDMI output can be assigned to Zone 4 as well (HDMI inputs only).


Zone Extra Bass
Even more lows. Use the Extra Bass feature to amplify bass tones, not just in your main room but also on systems in other rooms (Zones 2 and 3). Even with compact or in-wall speakers which typically lack bass, you’ll hear all your sources with powerful bass sound.


Zone Volume Equalizer
Zone 2 control. Automatically adjusts bass and treble balance to match the volume on systems in other rooms (Zone 2 and 3). Enjoy movies and music with a natural sound quality balance even at low volumes.


Intelligent Amp Assign
Intelligent design meets multizone audio. Intelligent Amp Assign automatically assigns amplifier channels to certain speakers, depending on what speaker layout is selected. For example, in a 9.1-channel system, when Zone 2 is turned off, all 9.1-channels will be used in the Main Zone. However, when Zone 2 is powered on, the power to the two surround back channels will automatically be redirected to the two speakers in Zone 2 and the Main Zone will receive 7.1-channels of power. Similarly, when CINEMA DSP 3D is on, the two Front Presence speakers will be powered and not the two surround back speakers. When CINEMA DSP 3D is off, this situation is reversed. Thanks to Intelligent Amp Assign, there’s no need to switch the speaker cables on the rear of the AV receiver.


Extra-convenient SCENE PLUS
Save your favorites. The SCENE PLUS function simplifies operation by providing one touch power-on along with selection of the desired source and the appropriate DSP programs. SCENE PLUS offers a choice of 12 SCENE selections, four of which can be assigned to the second zone in a multi-zone system. SCENE PLUS can be selected from the front panel, remote control, GUI and even from the AV Controller App

YPAO™ - R.S.C. (Reflected Sound Control with 3D, 64-bit Precision EQ, and Angle Measurement)
Sound optimized. YPAO-R.S.C. analyzes the room acoustics with the included YPAO microphone to tune your system for the best sound in your unique room. It employs R.S.C. (Reflected Sound Control) to correct early reflections for studio-quality surround sound. YPAO 3D provides automatic sound parameter optimization that maximizes the 3D sound field effectiveness of CINEMA DSP HD3 as well as Dolby Atmos and DTS:X. 64-bit precision EQ calculation achieves the most natural room acoustics possible. Additionally, DSP Effect Normalization adjusts the room acoustics according to the reflected sounds of each CINEMA DSP program.


YPAO Volume
Still hear everything. Human ears have less sensitivity to high and low frequencies, especially at lower volumes. YPAO Volume applies loudness EQ correction to automatically adjust high and low frequency levels as volume changes. Using the YPAO measurement results, EQ correction is optimized to your system settings and listening environment


Rich Bass Reproduction
Feel your lows. This exclusive low-range enhancement technology delivers richer bass than you would expect from smaller sized speakers while maintaining good localization and sound balance even with compact front speakers. When a subwoofer is used, it improves the volume of the entire low range of the speaker system, not only the front speakers, but also enhancing the bass from the subwoofer. You'll enjoy video and music with sound that has exceptional power and presence.

Subwoofer Trim
Improved sound imaging. The Subwoofer Trim Control enhances the low frequencies by avoiding overlap with the front speaker output. This will result in a cleaner, more focused soundstage while providing a seamless frequency response. When subwoofer frequency overlap occurs in conventional systems, the overall sound is “pushed” toward the subwoofer. Subwoofer Trim Control takes care of this by separating the low subwoofer frequencies cleanly, thus stabilizing the front stage while providing a well-balanced enhanced bass sound.

Compressed Music Enhancer
Hear more. When music is encoded into a digitally compressed format like MP3, the frequency response suffers. The Compressed Music Enhancer from Yamaha employs sophisticated digital signal processing using exclusive algorithms to restore what was lost, so the music always sounds the way it should.


High-resolution Music Enhancer
Hear even more. Hi-bit high-sampling extension up to 96 kHz / 24-bit can be applied to lossless 44.1 / 48 kHz content such as from a CD (2-channel PCM) or a FLAC file for further heightening of the musicality in the original content.


Gapless Playback
No intermissions. Many live and classical albums have no gaps in the music. Gapless playback ensures that there are no pauses between audio files. This provides playback with no interruptions, the way it was meant to be heard. *Compatible with WAV, FLAC and ALAC file formats, and input from USB/PC/NAS.


DSP Adjustment
Create sound fields at home. This AV receiver is equipped with a variety of sound programs that utilize original DSP technologies from Yamaha. These sound programs allow you to easily create sound fields like actual movie theaters or concert halls in your room to enjoy natural stereoscopic sound fields. It is now possible to use the AV Controller App to adjust the DSP parameters in a basic or advanced mode to match the mood of your favorite movie or music album.


Front USB iDevice Connection
iCompatibility. A USB port on the front panel allows convenient connection of an iPod® and iPhone®, which also charges the iOS device when connected. Because the digital signal from the iPod and iPhone is transmitted directly to the AV receiver, there is no signal-loss or interference. You get to enjoy the best possible sound quality. In addition, you can use the receiver’s remote control unit to operate the iPod and iPhone for basic playback control.

AV Setup Guide App
Install with ease. The AV SETUP GUIDE makes it much easier to perform the set up process with the Yamaha AV receiver. This app assists you with cable connections between the AV receiver and source devices. Additionally, it guides you through various settings such as speaker connections, TV and source device connections and power amplifier assignments. System illustrations and actual AV receiver images help you understand how to make the connections between devices. It is available in multiple languages and is designed for iOS and Android™ tablets.


Phono Input
Get nostalgic. This AV receiver provides phono input terminals so you can connect a turntable and you can enjoy music from your vinyl collection.

ECO Mode
Go Green. When ECO mode is turned on it can reduce power consumption by about 20 percent. Moreover, with an advanced energy saving design, this AV receiver achieves a low power consumption of not more than two watts when in Network Standby mode. *Compared to power consumption when ECO mode is off (Yamaha measurement).

Yamaha Eco-Product
With an advanced energy saving design, this AV receiver achieves a low power consumption of not more than two watts when in Network Standby mode.

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The pictures of the receiver don't look like an Aventage.

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You quoted wse for a one line response. What is it that doesn't look like an Aventage?
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The ES9038PRO SABRE DAC

Bringing Music to Life


The ES9038PRO SABRE DAC is the flagship of the ESS PRO series. It sets a new benchmark for audio excellence with the industry’s highest dynamic range (DNR), up to 140dB, in a 32-bit, 8-channel DAC.

The ES9038PRO was designed for premium home theater equipment including Blu-ray players, preamplifiers, all-in-one A/V receivers, and more.

For serious audiophiles it provides the most immersive listening experience — bringing music to life.

The ES9038PRO SABRE DAC also features ESS’ patented 32-bit HyperStreamDAC technology with-122dB total harmonic distortion plus noise (THD+N). The HyperStream architecture is responsible for both the outstanding sound quality of the ES9038 and the extremely low THD+N. A typical competitive, 32-Bit 8-Channel DAC using a delta-sigma architecture features-107dB THD+N (0.0004%), which when subjected to listening tests does not equal the clarity and sound stage of the ES9038PRO.

Differentiating Hardware Features

  • Full-scale manual/auto-gain calibration reduces device-to-device gain error
  • Programmable volume control ramp-rate with +18dB option
  • DoP to DSD decoder minimizes external processing
  • Eight preset filters for maximum design flexibility
Programmable functions
  • Customizable output configuration: Mono, stereo, 8-channel output in current-mode or voltage-mode based on performance criterion
  • Customizable filter characteristics: User-programmable filter allowing custom roll-off response
  • Programmable THD compensation to minimize THD caused by external components



A product brief with further technical details and specifications can be found here.

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Not sure how much difference in sound the es9038pro might have added, but I suspect it was mostly a cost issue. Will be interesting if they do release a CX-A5200 (or whatever they call it) pre-pro what DACs they will choose for it?

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I'm on the verge of ordering the 3060. The only thing I'm curious about are the ESS ES9026PRO SABRE DAC's on the 3070. Insignificant/unnoticeable change from the 3060's ESS SABRE32 Ultra DAC ES9016S's? This seems to be the only "upgrade" "I'm concerned about. Appears to have the same amp.
Buy the 3060 now or pay a few hundred more for the 3070 in a few months that may or may not sound any different? Are both true 32 bit DAC's?
I know, I've been debating which AVR to get for a while now. lol I AM getting closer.

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I'm on the verge of ordering the 3060. The only thing I'm curious about are the ESS ES9026PRO SABRE DAC's on the 3070. Insignificant/unnoticeable change from the 3060's ESS SABRE32 Ultra DAC ES9016S's? This seems to be the only "upgrade" "I'm concerned about. Appears to have the same amp.
Buy the 3060 now or pay a few hundred more for the 3070 in a few months that may or may not sound any different? Are both true 32 bit DAC's?
I know, I've been debating which AVR to get for a while now. lol I AM getting closer.

Bottom line, the new ESS DAC will likely provide no discernable improvement in the performance of the unit unless new circuitry from the DAC to the RCA outputs or power amplifier inputs, has been implemented. This circuitry determines the ultimate performance given the high performance of the previous and new ESS DAC. The new DAC is a drop-in replacement for the old DAC so a hardware redesign isn't required, perhaps it was done, who knows? Here some added details:

The realized performance of any of the three ESS "Audiophile" DAC's is very dependent on the quality of their power supplies, the direct output circuitry, the circuitry from the DAC to the RCA output terminals and circuit board quality and layout. In particular, it is best use the DAC's in a current output configuration and then convert to voltage using opamps. Yamaha likely uses the voltage output mode with reduced performance. This mode cuts the required number of opamps per channel from 2 or 3 to one, remember there are lots of channels so these costs add up, and reduces the requirements for high quality passive components and circuit board space. Similarly the power supplied to the ESS chip is likely less than optimum.

After leaving the output of the ESS chip and associated opamps the signal goes to a volume control chip; usually eight channels per chip. Hopefully the volume control chip used by the CX-A5200 has been adopted since it appears to handle higher voltages and thus provides more headroom than the legacy chip used by Yamaha and Denon/Marantz. After the volume control there are likely output opamps, one for each RCA output, or the signal goes to the power amplifier input. .

OPPO supplies a nice picture of the inside of the UDP-205 which shows the circuitry required for a high quality output using ESS DAC's. Here is a link:

http://oppodigital.com/blu-ray-udp-2...nternal-hr.jpg

Based on just looking at the board it appears that the left side of the unit uses one ESS DAC for eight channels. Each of the output chips likely is a dual opamp. The eight chips in a row are the I (current) to V converters, each chip likely has two opamps. The Yamaha AVR likely doesn't have they eight chips or the associated circuitry or board space. The next four chips going toward the top are dual opamps (eight total opamps) used as differential amplifiers, and to drive the RCA outputs. The cream colored blocks are relays. The chips to the left and right of the ESS DAC, which is the silver square chip, likely are voltage regulators for the DAC and the opamps. OPPO may be using the digital volume control in the ESS DAC which is very high quality. Lots of circuitry and lots of cost is involved.

The circuitry on the right uses another ESS DAC for higher quality RCA and XLR outputs. All of that circuitry supports just two channels. A Benchmark Media DAC has even more circuitry to optimize the performance of an ESS DAC.

There isn't even close to enough budget in the design, BOM and build of budgets of an AVR to provide the circuitry that OPPO has implemented. An AVR also unfortunately usually requires an analog volume control. Historically these devices have limited performance, although higher quality, more expensive units are available. Few on this forum seem to be requesting higher prices for AVR's so there will always be tradeoffs.

These design differences make for measurable differences in performance between products that use the same ESS DAC. The audible differences can be debated, and certainly depend on the other equipment in the system, the room, individual hearing experience and ability, and so on... In the past I used the RCA outputs of a previous generation of Aventage 30XX AVR to drive external power amplifiers and was satisfied with the performance. Both my grown children use Yamaha AVR's for the same purpose today.
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Now you have me wondering if I can use my old Onkyo 876 as an amp for the Oppo 205. Would I be able to bypass the Onkyo's processing to enjoy the benefits of the higher quality DACs on the Oppo?

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3070 is at the top of my list (want a Dolby Vision device), I guess July before it is out?

It would be my first yamaha, how is this version of YPAO, especially having two subs? With the Marantz I have it has dual sub EQ Audyssey, with the Yamaha it appears to have dual sub outs but not sure how YPAO handles that. Also at 39.9 lbs, seems to be pretty beefy.
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3070 is at the top of my list (want a Dolby Vision device), I guess July before it is out?

It would be my first yamaha, how is this version of YPAO, especially having two subs? With the Marantz I have it has dual sub EQ Audyssey, with the Yamaha it appears to have dual sub outs but not sure how YPAO handles that. Also at 39.9 lbs, seems to be pretty beefy.
Correct, A3070 likely in July. The dual sub level/delay feature on Yamaha begins with the A2060/A2070.
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3070 is at the top of my list (want a Dolby Vision device), I guess July before it is out?

It would be my first yamaha, how is this version of YPAO, especially having two subs? With the Marantz I have it has dual sub EQ Audyssey, with the Yamaha it appears to have dual sub outs but not sure how YPAO handles that. Also at 39.9 lbs, seems to be pretty beefy.
Yamaha announced they will firmware DV into the 2016 models. Leaving me to wonder if there is much point to waiting on this new one or if the 3060 would do as good. I can't tell if the subEQ or room correction on this one is any better.

My dealer's rep confirmed it will have eARC (likely supports it out of the box - though no source devices do yet that I know of). This could be worth the wait, but then its high possible the 2016s will also get it in firmware too.
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3070 is at the top of my list (want a Dolby Vision device), I guess July before it is out?

It would be my first yamaha, how is this version of YPAO, especially having two subs? With the Marantz I have it has dual sub EQ Audyssey, with the Yamaha it appears to have dual sub outs but not sure how YPAO handles that. Also at 39.9 lbs, seems to be pretty beefy.
Why not save some money and get a 3060...available today? It has or will have DV and matches most other features.

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Why not save some money and get a 3060...available today? It has or will have DV and matches most other features.
I've been debating this decision (3070 vs 3060) as well. The XLR inputs of the 3070 are interesting to me (for my HAP-Z1ES). I doubt that I'd notice any difference due to the new DAC and I really don't know what to make of the "Advanced Design Feet" of the 3070.

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Yamaha announced they will firmware DV into the 2016 models. Leaving me to wonder if there is much point to waiting on this new one or if the 3060 would do as good. I can't tell if the subEQ or room correction on this one is any better.

My dealer's rep confirmed it will have eARC (likely supports it out of the box - though no source devices do yet that I know of). This could be worth the wait, but then its high possible the 2016s will also get it in firmware too.
There has been no change to YPAO going from the A3060 to the A3070, and Yamaha rep was not able to confirm whether eARC will be included ... although most certainly not "out-of-the-box" as there is no mention in the Owner's manual or website of this feature.
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I'm waiting for the 3070. It will be here in a little over a month, and so far the cost is only slightly higher than the 3060 at legit sites (I'm sure that will change at some point after the 3070 is available, but currently the difference isn't much).

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There has been no change to YPAO going from the A3060 to the A3070, and Yamaha rep was not able to confirm whether eARC will be included ... although most certainly not "out-of-the-box" as there is no mention in the Owner's manual or website of this feature.
Interesting - my dealer had a spec sheet that specified it would have eARC, and was seemingly confirmed by an email from his rep. Different reps might have different information but its odd there wouldn't be a unified specsheet or party line on this.

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Interesting - my dealer had a spec sheet that specified it would have eARC, and was seemingly confirmed by an email from his rep. Different reps might have different information but its odd there wouldn't be a unified specsheet or party line on this.
The Yamaha A3070 Product bulletin has no mention of eARC; however, I did learn that eARC is something that Yamaha is "considering" adding to the 2017 models at a later date although nothing has been approved at this point.

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Shame they didn't update the lousy on screen GUI
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I couldn't wait till August when the 3070 becomes available locally, so I put in my order for a 3060 which Yamaha has currently discounted. This will be my first "flagship" AVR (previously always gone with top-rated CNET models which are, I guess, mid-range). I'm excited to play with the new advanced features and YPAO, and in particular to use the "scenes" for the different configurations I like to use (like disabling centre channel when I'm watching alone in the sweet spot).

I do hope I don't end up regretting not going with the 2017 model, but for my current needs and budget (and timeline - I need to do the fussy bits well before August after which point I won't have the time anymore), this seemed a sensible choice. I looked at Anthem and going separates but I decided that this first step-up is best for my budget and needs at this time.

I'll eagerly follow this thread to see the new owners' experiences and keep my posting to the 3060 owners forum since I won't be joining this club. I'll watch with interest how the eARC business unfolds.

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Thinking 2070 might be in my near future. Was thinking Denon x4400 but they keep taking stuff away like web gui, etc.

So 2070 on the radar...............

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So 2070 on the radar...............
The A2070 should be available in June.

Note also that both the A1070 and A2070 will feature the same 64bit YPAO, Cinema DSP HD3, and "Enhanced" DSP as are all currently on the A3060 as well as of course continuing on the A3070.
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"A2070 should be available in June."

Can't afford one when first come out. Will need to wait for sales like T-giving or after Christmas. Unless there's some pressing issue with them its head of the X4400 in my assessment.

"the same 64bit YPAO"

Doesn't that just mean it does the math faster? Once the calculations are done and stored I'm not sure how 32 vs 64 bit would matter.

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"A2070 should be available in June."

Can't afford one when first come out. Will need to wait for sales like T-giving or after Christmas. Unless there's some pressing issue with them its head of the X4400 in my assessment.

"the same 64bit YPAO"

Doesn't that just mean it does the math faster? Once the calculations are done and stored I'm not sure how 32 vs 64 bit would matter.
Unlikely that 64 bits adds to speed (more bits often means more more processing and slower, actually). What I suspect is that it means greater accuracy in the final result (less rounding errors, etc.).
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[QUOTE=jdsmoothie;53259954]The A2070 should be available in June.

Note also that both the A1070 and A2070 will feature the same 64bit YPAO, Cinema DSP HD3, and "Enhanced" DSP as are all currently on the A3060 as well as of course continuing on the A3070.[/QUOTE

Yeah, but it looks like the 1070 doesn't include angle measurement. I am wondering if that is important when it comes to the DSP programs like Enhanced as well as D. Atmos and DTS X???
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"Unlikely that 64 bits adds to speed"

Sure it does. Can take a much bigger "word" all at once and therefore get to the end results way faster.

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Note also that both the A1070 and A2070 will feature the same 64bit YPAO, Cinema DSP HD3, and "Enhanced" DSP as are all currently on the A3060 as well as of course continuing on the A3070.
Yeah, but it looks like the 1070 doesn't include angle measurement. I am wondering if that is important when it comes to the DSP programs like Enhanced as well as D. Atmos and DTS X???
Does nothing for Atmos or DTS:X as the angle measurements are only used with the Yamaha DSPs.
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Does nothing for Atmos or DTS:X as the angle measurements are only used with the Yamaha DSPs.
Fair enough. But what about the various DSP's...does angel measurement make an audible difference?
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Fair enough. But what about the various DSP's...does angel measurement make an audible difference?
This will depend on your speakers, room dynamics, and your own hearing. Certainly worth trying both ways to determine for yourself.
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Does nothing for Atmos or DTS:X as the angle measurements are only used with the Yamaha DSPs.
I've seen this said before - is it known for certain that Atmos decoding disregards the speaker positioning? Does the manual actually say this? It would be a real shame...

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I've seen this said before - is it known for certain that Atmos decoding disregards the speaker positioning? Does the manual actually say this? It would be a real shame...
Yamaha and Dolby both confirm this.
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