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Emotiva Will Show RMC-1 at CEDIA 2017 in 7.4.4 System

The Emotiva RMC-1 is a 16-channel AV processor that's eagerly anticipated by the dedicated home theater crowd. It will be demoed at CEDIA 2017. It's been a long time coming, are you psyched?

Click the following link to read more: Emotiva Will Show RMC-1 in 7.4.4 Dolby Atmos System at CEDIA 2017

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Nice to see, but seriously, this thing has been in development for so long and delayed so many times that they might as well delay it one more time and integrate HDMI 2.1 into the thing, unless that's somehow going to be upgradeable via a card or something in the future.
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Nice to see, but seriously, this thing has been in development for so long and delayed so many times that they might as well delay it one more time and integrate HDMI 2.1 into the thing, unless that's somehow going to be upgradeable via a card or something in the future.
Based on everything seen/said at CES and AXPONA, the RMC-1 has a modular design with an upgradeable HDMI board.

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Plus, this processor will also support Auro-3D with the purchase of an optional license; its music upmixing is the most sophisticated of the three 3D immersive audio formats.
About as sophisticated as one of those all-channel-stereo modes (copies whole channels to additional speakers, adds reverb that wasn't in the original recording).
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Are the 4 sub outputs actually independent of one another? In other words, can Dirac apply separate delay, EQ, etc to each one?
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About as sophisticated as one of those all-channel-stereo modes (copies whole channels to additional speakers, adds reverb that wasn't in the original recording).
That's not my impression as to how any of the 3D immersive audio upmixers work. Ambience extraction relies on using ambience derived from the recording, not added synthetic reverb.

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The Emotiva RMC-1 is a 16-channel AV processor that's eagerly anticipated by the dedicated home theater crowd. It will be demoed at CEDIA 2017. It's been a long time coming, are you psyched?

Click the following link to read more: Emotiva Will Show RMC-1 in 7.4.4 Dolby Atmos System at CEDIA 2017


Careful with spec listings like that. This is Emotiva we're talking about.
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That's not my impression as to how any of the 3D immersive audio upmixers work. Ambience extraction relies on using ambience derived from the recording, not added synthetic reverb.
A click track will tell you everything you need to know about this.... "sophisticated" upmixer. *snicker*

Many MIPS have lost their lives decoding signals into Auromatic...


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A click track will tell you everything you need to know about this.... "sophisticated" upmixer. *snicker*

Many MIPS have lost their lives decoding signals into Auromatic...


Can't say I've had the pleasure, nor do I have the motivation to find out.

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Why does all of Emotiva's stuff look like it was made by some guy in his garage...?

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That's not my impression as to how any of the 3D immersive audio upmixers work.
I wasn't talking about DSU or Neural:X, just Auro-Matic. Rather than take my word for it, play some 2-channel music with Auro-Matic applied, unplug your front L/R speakers and listen to the other speakers, note that you can hear the entire contents of the program material (not some extracted ambience).
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Extracting ambience is not the only approach to surround processing (upmixing), it can also be done by generating ambience (like Yamaha DSP modes have always done). That's how Auro's upmixer works (there is zero ambience extraction going on). Again, rather than take my word for it, play a click track (easy to find on YouTube) and listen for the reverb. Sharp clicks will sound more like a bzzt sound. Auro-Matic has a parameter that allows the user to adjust the length of the decay tails to simulate various room sizes. This wouldn't be possible if Auro-Matic itself wasn't the source of the reverb.

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Thanks for the info Mark, but I'm a bit confused here. In one statement you say "This September, Emotiva Audio Corporation will show its highly anticipated RMC-1 ($4999) 16-channel flagship AV processor at CEDIA 2017 in San Diego." followed by "The show demo will use a 7.4.4 speaker configuration, but this processor can also run a 7.3.6 system." Then later on you say "By supporting seven ear-level channels, six overhead channels, and four subwoofers simultaneously,..." So was this last statement incorrect as that adds up to 17 channels total or does this processor have enough dsp power to process 17 total channels using a combination of balanced and unbalanced outputs? I would love for the latter to be correct but I suspect your initial statements are the true ones. Inquiring minds would like to know!

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About as sophisticated as one of those all-channel-stereo modes (copies whole channels to additional speakers, adds reverb that wasn't in the original recording).
+1

Even pre-Yamaha DSP, this idea goes further back to the days of analog reverb units aka, the a/d/s & Audiopulse outboard boxes back in the early 80's. Hardly new or sophisticated for music. All Auromatic has done is take the faux reverb from the main speakers to higher up the wall

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I wasn't talking about DSU or Neural:X, just Auro-Matic. Rather than take my word for it, play some 2-channel music with Auro-Matic applied, unplug your front L/R speakers and listen to the other speakers, note that you can hear the entire contents of the program material (not some extracted ambience). Extracting ambience is not the only approach to surround processing (upmixing), it can also be done by generating ambience (like Yamaha DSP modes have always done). That's how Auro's upmixer works (there is zero ambience extraction going on). Again, rather than take my word for it, play a click track (easy to find on YouTube) and listen for the reverb. Sharp clicks will sound more like a bzzt sound. Auro-Matic has a parameter that allows the user to adjust the length of the decay tails to simulate various room sizes. This wouldn't be possible if Auro-Matic itself wasn't the source of the reverb.
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I wasn't talking about DSU or Neural:X, just Auro-Matic. Rather than take my word for it, play some 2-channel music with Auro-Matic applied, unplug your front L/R speakers and listen to the other speakers, note that you can hear the entire contents of the program material (not some extracted ambience). Extracting ambience is not the only approach to surround processing (upmixing), it can also be done by generating ambience (like Yamaha DSP modes have always done). That's how Auro's upmixer works (there is zero ambience extraction going on). Again, rather than take my word for it, play a click track (easy to find on YouTube) and listen for the reverb. Sharp clicks will sound more like a bzzt sound. Auro-Matic has a parameter that allows the user to adjust the length of the decay tails to simulate various room sizes. This wouldn't be possible if Auro-Matic itself wasn't the source of the reverb.
OK, gotcha, if I have a very free moment (have not had one of those yet) I'll give it a shot.

Article edited, I can't personally vouch for that claim, it was an assumption, and I trust AVS Forum member feedback. When I hear it from multiple people, I take it seriously.

But in the end the requirements of Auro-3D, including the need to pay extra and the requirement of a different speaker layout, not to mention the format's failure to gain traction, have effectively squashed any enthusiasm I could muster for it.
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But in the end the requirements of Auro-3D, including the need to pay extra and the requirement of a different speaker layout, not to mention the format's failure to gain traction, have effectively squashed any enthusiasm I could muster for it.
You're right, when it comes to height speaker placement, Auro is the odd man out (Atmos & DTS:X have much more compatible height placement). However, the base layer of 7 speakers is the same across all three immersive audio formats. For those that prefer listening to 2-channel music via Auro-Matic, they should still continue to like it even when the heights are not exactly where Auro wants them to be.

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Are the 4 sub outputs actually independent of one another? In other words, can Dirac apply separate delay, EQ, etc to each one?
The XMC-1 treats the two subwoofer outputs independently and Dirac applies unique corrections to each one. I would assume that functionality carries over to the RMC-1's outputs, but don't know for sure.
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Auro aside, I'm interested in how well the Emotiva RMC-1 does at CEDIA.

And when will it actually ship to customers vs several years of broken promises. I could be interested in owning this if Emotiva finally gets their act together on a prepro. But I certainly wouldn't pre-order one and be on a wait list.

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Auro aside, I'm interested in how well the Emotiva RMC-1 does at CEDIA.

And when will it actually ship to customers vs several years of broken promises. I could be interested in owning this if Emotiva finally gets their act together on a prepro. But I certainly wouldn't pre-order one and be on a wait list.
Something else that has me interested in this unit is the fact that it is Made in USA. That is important to me (as long as it actually equates to quality). But I agree with you about not getting on a wait list for this.
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Isn't Emotiva mostly Chinese-built now?
Actually, over the last few years they have been trying to bring more of the manufacturing back to the US. I believe the XMC-1 was the first component in this new initiative. I would suspect the RMC-1 to follow suit.
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That's not my impression as to how any of the 3D immersive audio upmixers work. Ambience extraction relies on using ambience derived from the recording, not added synthetic reverb.
Auro(matic) on an RS20i works exactly like that. Easy to test: turn off the bass level speakers and you get the exactly information - with delay and reduced trims.

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