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post #1 of 12 Old 09-20-2017, 03:12 PM - Thread Starter
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Denon X4300h / 4400 vs Yammy rx-a2060 /70

Apologies for another VS thread.

I've spent hours combing over the threads regarding these models.

Right now, I'm set up with a 9.1 config (heights and rear surrounds) on a Denon 4520ci. I have a Samsung 65JS9500 which has HDR10 capabilities.
Now I'm needing to use ARC, as my PS4 Pro and Roku ultra can't go through my 4520 as its HDMI 1.4. I can't get DD+ over arc from my Samsung for some reason regardless of what I try. I figure that, and DTSX and Atmos (netflix releases) and their Neural/DSU upmixing benefits might warrant an upgrade. My front heights are high up, angled down, and not far from my seating position, the rear surrounds are almost up to the ceiling as well. While not ideal I was hoping to use these as rear heights, or I guess "tops".

I have Polk Rti a7's as my mains, polks for surrounds and rear surrounds, and an SVS PB-2000 for my sub, which is mid wall.

I have a few specific concerns/questions:

1) Does the new RSC 3D YPAO come close to the audyssey room cal? I know that XT32 is great and it definitely does wonders with my room (as I accidentally had it disabled recently). My SVS sub is pretty powerful, likely too powerful for my room, I'm guessing the low freq cal abilities of the denon would be of great help here. If I DO go with the yammy, how hard is it to learn how to use PEQ and tune my sub freqs to something similar to what audyssey does? How does the rest of the the sound freq ranges compare between the two RC tools?

2) I couldn't find any warranty info on the yammy for Canada. I've read however that there is one year less warranty on the 4400. Anyone here know what the 2060/70 lists for a warranty in canada?

3) Are the video capabilities (outside of DV /HLG) similar? I mean as far as 4:4:4, and supported video modes.

4) I've read of some heat issues being experienced with the 4300. Has anyone seen/heard of this first hand?

5) Bench testing with yammy aventage seem to show issues when in multichannel. Does anyone know if this is a real world problem?

Anyhow, I guess I'll start there. It's a lot of money to spend and I'm just making sure I make as informed a decision as possible. Movies/Gaming is my number one use of my AVR and I love what Audyssey has done in the past for my setup. I also like the rumoured reliability and cool-running temp on the yamahas. I really can't decide. The Denon I can get for 350US cheaper than the yammy (4400 vs 2070).

Any help and shared experience is appreciated!

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You will find fans of both. Fans of Denon will tell you to get the Denon. Fans of Yamaha will tell you to get the Yamaha. I have the Denon 4300, and I like it very much. What I can tell you is that while it runs warmer than the Pioneer Elite SC67 it replaced, it doesn't run all that hot. As long as you have adequate ventilation, I don't think heat would be an issue.

You like Audyssey, and the Denon is less expensive. I would say go Denon, but again--I am a Denon owner.

Really, you could flip a coin between the two and be happy with either one, I think.
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Sony X900e; Sony UBP-X800; Pioneer Elite BDP-62FD universal blu-ray player; Denon 4300H AVR, Dual PSA S1801's; Monitor Audio Silver RX-6 mains, RX center, and RX surrounds; one pair NHT mini Atmos speakers; Home-built HTPC (Xeon E1230, 16gb RAM, Crucial M500 480gb SSD, GeForce 980Ti, Corsair CX600, CoolerMaster mini-ITX case)
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I'm in the same situation as you. I'm deciding either Denon X4400H or Yamaha 3070 as I'm upgrading to 7.1.4 setup. After long consideration, I'm going for Yamaha as I want a change from Audyssey XT 32 sound signature (last time had an Onkyo 805 and currently using Denon 4311). I think for Audyssey XT 32 it is great for bass but for higher frequency it is good but somehow the separation of soundstage is so so for stereo music. As for YPAO RSC 3D, I'm interested to do a manual tune using REW with UMIK-1 calibrated mic. I believe all the mic that come from the receiver (either from Denon and Yamaha) is not really accurate (+-3db can be 6db difference!) so manual tune should yield better result. I also had a backup plan just in case Yamaha sub eq is not up to par to Audyssey XT32, I'll use my old SVS EQ-1 to eq the sub only. The combo should give me the best of both world.

My suggestion would be if you can do a manual tuning using REW, then I would highly recommend Yamaha. If not, Denon would be a safe choice. I know the latest Denon/Marantz had an Audyssey mobile app for manual eq but base on the feedback, there is some issue that's not yet resolve.
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Very interesting Yamaha 2070 is more comparable to denon 6300.

Denon 4300 is more comparable to Yamaha 870.
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I need to support 7.1.4 and already had an external 8 channels amp so power rating is not that important to me as long as it's enough to drive 4 atmos speakers. The min for Yamaha to support that is A3070 and Denon is X4400H.
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I need to support 7.1.4 and already had an external 8 channels amp so power rating is not that important to me as long as it's enough to drive 4 atmos speakers. The min for Yamaha to support that is A3070 and Denon is X4400H.
The 4300 does 7.2.4 just fine. It’s just the Amps that it is lacking. But that is also true of the x4400h.

The 6300 would be the one with 7.2.4 amp support.

But 4300/4400/6300/6400 can ALL handle 11 channel processing. Only amp counts vary.
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I own the Denon 4300H and the Yamaha 2050. I compared both in my setup using a sound level meter to set volume levels. for a 70 y/o geezer, I have very good hearing. I heard no difference between the two.
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I own the Denon 4300H and the Yamaha 2050. I compared both in my setup using a sound level meter to set volume levels. for a 70 y/o geezer, I have very good hearing. I heard no difference between the two.
In your opinion, do you believe the Yamaha provided more brightness is the higher frequencies? I'd like cymbal crashes to really come alive during my symphony listening

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We sell/install both Denon & Yamaha AVRs..
Compare/confirm the features U are shopping for, however note that the Yamaha AVRs have the best reliability.

Just my $0.02...
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We sell/install both Denon & Yamaha AVRs..
Compare/confirm the features U are shopping for, however note that the Yamaha AVRs have the best reliability.

Just my $0.02...
This very point is why I haven't pulled the trigger on the X4300H just yet. It's just that a new 2060 is over $700 more than the X4300H. I haven't had any issues with my VSX-1121 since I purchased it way back when and I'd like that to continue with it's replacement.
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I own the Denon 4300H and the Yamaha 2050. I compared both in my setup using a sound level meter to set volume levels. for a 70 y/o geezer, I have very good hearing. I heard no difference between the two.
Do you auto tune both receiver using Audyssey XT32 and YPAO before comparison? My understanding is if you straight in straight out there should be not much difference on the sound.
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